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Im the only one that thinks that the game has been getting worse with every update?
I think that all new things in this season has been fucked... im talking about tc, farming, crafting, combat, skills and all the things i dont want even think of.
I remember that the game was good in previus season besides a few bugs (bank sistem,inv teleport) and the one before it i remember it was great too, even when i played only the last 2 months of it.
I cant understand what the devs want to make this game of... i think it was a great game time ago and it isnt now...thats my opinnion and i would like to know what you guys the fonline community thinks.
I hope my post wont be censored because of the tittle or the things im saying, i think that what im saying is what a part of the comunnity thinks and i just want the best for this great game.
Sincerely Kalo
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It s just a different thing from the past imho,thoug i agree with you,partially.There is no space for new players here,only bigger gangs-proxy swarm apes-very experienced guy armed with LOTS of patience might prosper.Last season was so awesome for me that every other changes might just make things get worse.
The deterioration of gear is the most tragic part.It s embarassing,really.Hard is fair,insane is stupid.
I wish i could help and teach some noobs the way of the wasteland but,heh,it s harsh enough for me.How can i think an occasional player may have fun..?
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I cant understand what the devs want to make this game of... i think it was a great game time ago and it isnt now...thats my opinnion and i would like to know what you guys the fonline community thinks.
I think that they don't play their own game and that is explaining such sad methods and features. And furthermore, they do not have any game design to know what to do. They "try things". That's it.
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Only pvp is worse due to tc and fastrelogs. Getting caps in non-abuse ways is pretty hard aswell, I don't like it that you have to grind spears to get caps if you don't have tc towns. My pals grinded the sf ant quest with alts to get their first base.
Also the method to get blueprints is quite boring, I've been hunting ca and ca helmet blueprint for weeks.
There's more but screw it. Devs are developing all the time and things get fixed. Shops and tc are on the worklist atm so best just chill unless something urgently catastrophical shows up.
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Im the only one that thinks that the game has been getting worse with every update? (...)
No, you are not the only one.
I think that they don't play their own game
That is a fairly good explanation, but looking at the changes this session has brought, I would go even further than this and say that there is probably someone on the developer team who wants this server to die for some inexplicable reason, and is hence sabotaging it by introducing all these ridiculous changes that obviously aim at getting rid of the current player-base while at the same time making sure any new player ragequits almost as soon as they start playing.
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The 2 months before the wipe are what I enjoyed the most - I played alone most of the time but it was confortable enough and not so hard.
Compulsive Dedicated power-players have always dominated but it seems worse right now.
The new trading system, for example, makes it too hard for new players and/or those who do not play everyday like me. Of course, as Solar said this system is not completely done yet, so I guess I still can have some hope.
I didn't start playing this season at day 1, instead when I first logged in after the wipe, my gangmates already had some base(s?) and gear. I didn't want to leech so I am just work on my own... I only have one character and it's level 10 or 12, I don't remember. Levelling is slower and when I die I don't really feel like re-gearing and starting again.
And of course it's always frustrating to see people cheating when you want to play fairly :P
But anyway I wouldn't say this game is shit now. I guess we just have to wait for devs to fix/complete stuff.
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Also the method to get blueprints is quite boring, I've been hunting ca and ca helmet blueprint for weeks.
Getting caps in non-abuse ways is pretty hard aswell
Now this , yes. I agree you can't get much more ridiculous than that. Nobody will sell those CA BP , either you find it for yourself or you never have it.
Most of the factions got their first base by abusing something , that tells us something important :)
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It isn't THAT bad. I mean sure its not easy in the least bit.
I'm afraid with them fixing TC is too little too late. Too many have quit this because of it.
The PvP is more interesting, and I mean everybody has same capability to fast relog. And the new perks bring about new strategy and differnt ways to plan out builds accordingly.
They have changed a lot of things, and I have said this bfore this game is now one bad soviet russia reversal joke. "Last wipe people made 50 alts for 1 pvp ape, new wipe 50 ape 1 crafter alt."
My impression they wanted to gear the game more towards PVE and make things less "ape" but a good portion of the players loved the fast paced PvP.
By all means the developers and GMs don't want this game to be easy, they don't want us to have carpets of gear and they want us to die over 9,000 times.
I think what is frustrating about this game is the resource depleting, and the fact that you well die ALOT drives many players away.
This game is not easily done solo its best to be in a faction or at least have a farming partner.
But for the most part, this game makes me think WTF where they thinking when they thought of...
But you know what we cried and whined for a wipe and here it is folks. The wipe and we all hate it when we so despertly wanted one the irony.
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The PvP is more interesting, and I mean everybody has same capability to fast relog.
Not everyone only people who have multiple PvP characters.
Basically there is no point to participate in PvP for a casual player with 1-2 characters.
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Jovanka is right , but does anybody care about that ? Some developer ?
As far as i know i haven't heard anything official from developers about all this fast relog business.
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the things i dont like about this season are:
from a non sniper SG/BG point of view, crit bypasses are completely insane. sniping weapon damage was beefed up i assume to compensate with the fact armor now reduces the roll on the crit table. and with low luck builds being very dominant according to my browsing of the character planner opera made and also the players i talk to, bypasses are a common thing. if drugs were to be craftable without blueprints i assume a possibility of builds having higher luck, but since you dont need luck to get perks anymore then what is the reason to put stat points into luck just to counter a certain build? its honestly a waste of points IMO because it doesnt benefit you i any other way other than that, unless you were to make a crit burster/rocket build. i dont understand the point of bypasses sometimes. what is the point of a helmet now? an anti bypass perk would do wonders for the anti-crit tree if it were to be combined with something like stonewall all in one perk...
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The PvP is more interesting, and I mean everybody has same capability to fast relog. And the new perks bring about new strategy and differnt ways to plan out builds accordingly.
I disagree with that now build dont require special like luck and int so every char now is 10 endurance 10ag and the right other specials for the selected weapon, and making a char was more complex, about fast relog i dont like it because you can abuse of it and i dont think its a fine addition for pvp/tc.
"Last wipe people made 50 alts for 1 pvp ape, new wipe 50 ape 1 crafter alt."
Right now i have 1 crafter and the only stuff he can do is craft tier 1 sg/armor gear because of the new system, im not wasting hours to find "edible" blueprints for crafting even if they werent "edible" it would only help big factions with shared blue prints, and loners would be prejudiced.
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I don't know about you guys, but I made a sniper and I barely do any good crits. Snipers are worse this session.
35% crit chance and the average crit is 50, and it has been tested that the average damage sniper does it 50 on head shots.
I've also done testing, and the average crit is still 50 on every limb and groin. The thing that made snipers really good last wipe was knock outs, with bonehead and anti-crit perks snipers are useless.
If you don't wear a helmet, its like going in blue suit vs snipers.
I for one love fast relog, and yes I level a lot of characters so its a nice feature for me. But if anything I think they should just make it a 3 minute wait and be able to log back in when character disapears. But there was fast log cheats last wipe so whats to say that they won't pop-up agian this wipe if a fast log timer is introduced.
It is more fair for everybody to fast log, than to limit everybody's ability to fast log and cheaters get away with it this happened last wipe, the guys with fast log cheats would win becuase fair players had to wait 10 minutes.
I mean if you are making 1 luck builds and trying to start off fresh and play casual I can see the rage because you well get crit for high damage by NPCs, its best to play pve with a character that DOESN'T have 1 luck. I've made 1 luck farm build and they piss me off and I want to remake mine becuase I'm sick of critical misses and unity mutants shooting me in the groin for 250 damage. Its best not to farm and play pve with 1 luck, you well get crit less by NPCs and they won't seem so over powered. Luck is a major factor in this game.
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Another thing I'd like to underline are newest trollbuilds caused by following perks and abilities and their combination:
Heavy handed
In your face
Jinxed
High ac
Silent death grenadier is damn close to trolling. You need 2 grenades and that can kill pretty much anything if you're lucky. If fail, just come back.
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Silent death grenadier is damn close to trolling. You need 2 grenades and that can kill pretty much anything if you're lucky. If fail, just come back.
Silent death + plasma nades = hq trolling
they usualy do 200+ dmg from first nade and almost always get to do 2nd throw. For me it's almost the same as it was with sd + smg.
Take bluesuit sneak with 2 nades vs pvp ape with ca, avenger (...), first one is almost free troll and usualy wins that duel which is imo insane considering costs of those 2 builds.
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LOL... so I see you guys ran into section 8 :D Try fighting 8 players with those plasma sd builds :)
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Sneakers will always be abuse or useless, thats how invisiblity system works simply, cant balance an invisible person ;P
Either way "Piece of shit game?" is a bit harsh words. Everybody knew that wipe is gonna bring bugs, what i personally am dissipointed about is that there was too little quick fixes after the wipe and the game kept on rolling unbalanced in general. There was this fix rush first week or two, but now... no update for a month? (correct me if am wrong) And many of those fixes just require changing in one value or two (TC inbalance).
Devs should make their own gang aka Rotators and do some TC themselves :) Or listen to people that reached influence cap ;P
LOL... so I see you guys ran into section 8 :D Try fighting 8 players with those plasma sd builds :)
Hah, come on, its not that bad, 8 sneakers vs 2 sneakers is hard indeed, but those 8 sneakers wont kill off 8 full armed bgers anyways ;P unless the bgers do something terribly stupid.
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Im the only one that thinks that the game has been getting worse with every update?
Apparently not.
I, for one, find this game more fun every time I get back. I've never been up to date with the current exploit set so I never knew about who to farm how to have infinite money, how to make and use alts, etc. So I started by making an energy weapon character with 6 AP and joined a faction. It took me a lot of time to get electronic parts from trash cans and to afford the energy gun profession. That did not work anyway because of my crappy build and living in Redding. Then we made a base with a friend to craft small guns in peace, away from NCR. That got boring because of mining timeouts introduced, then mines with HQ minerals. Dying and trying to make a gun for 1 hour to lose it in 10 minutes of playing was painful and stupid.
Now I just made a critical-oriented small gun barter guy. I get everything including armour from encounters. I get some better gear from shops by selling fruit. Life is easy. When I die, I just craft a BB gun, kill a raider and I'm back to what I was doing in less than 20 minutes. So for a casual player, this game is getting more and more fun with lots of quests. Lots of good items in shops. Nice filters in shops. No timeouts when I want to make .45 ammo. Just open game and have fun.
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Hah, come on, its not that bad, 8 sneakers vs 2 sneakers is hard indeed, but those 8 sneakers wont kill off 8 full armed bgers anyways ;P unless the bgers do something terribly stupid.
Nah, but they kill off anything that is below 200hp :) Laser and snipers worse nightmare. Even on max hp builds they can still kill in 2-3 throws fully geared if they get you in back. Its not as bad as insta kill with SMGs though. I am not complaining about these builds but they are very deadly for trolling.
Back agianst a wall best defense.
But knowing this game I would not be suprised if they nerfed it but not to say I am crying to nerf it, it makes for some interesting pvp. I still have a pre-wipe mindset I forget about these SD sneakers and expect big fully drugged fully HP tanks to show up :P
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I think that they don't play their own game and that is explaining such sad methods and features. And furthermore, they do not have any game design to know what to do. They "try things". That's it.
I'm actually glad more and more people see it
It seemed so far impossible to tear off some devs (*cough*cough*so*cough*lar*cough*) from looking at statistics in their alseeing "matrix" screen to make them exerience teir own game instead to see what is fucked and what is good
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I'm actually glad more and more people see it
It seemed so far impossible to tear off some devs (*cough*cough*so*cough*lar*cough*) from looking at statistics in their alseeing "matrix" screen to make them exerience teir own game instead to see what is fucked and what is good
But what can be done about that? To really have a clue how things work in this game you gotta play it very long and in powergaming fashion. And even then people will have differing opinions and expectations which can be seen from the general random opinion set the community has when it comes to suggestions.
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The only thing I don't understand is why given that the previous session was pretty good, they felt the need for such a major overhaul. Maybe, just to keep things interesting lol.
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Im the only one that thinks that the game has been getting worse with every update?
Aside from PvP, TC and other acronyms which I hardly recognize, I wouldn't call game "worse". It's just different, like with advanced workbench feature, blueprints, gathering and so on - much harder than before, more challenging for a woodsman like me. And this makes it more fun, at least in these parts.
We can't demand anything from devs, as we don't pay them with money, glass fake jewelry or even sexual services. Still more feedback from them wouldn't hurt anyone, too.
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we can complain all we want, but in the end we will end up adapting to the game, and ask for another wipe...and it will be the same, wipe,after wipe.
just get over those things and start killing molerats.
(btw heavy handed is too unbalanced)
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I agree to say that except pvp aspect, the game is becoming better (yeah, many things need to be improved/fixed but we just have to wait until what was planned is released). But how could we spend more than a month on pve and quests ? When you know the content, you have absolutely no interest in doing it again. There is also no way to find a place in this world, no way to achieve some wise roleplay, doable on the long term. Since this game is obviously not about HL pve, it is about pvp. And pvp is definitely very bad right now. So for most of us, the game in its entirety is very bad, frustrating or worst, boring as hell.
If we look about pvp enhancements since the beginning of the beta, there are only few new things. Very few. Isn't the whole game based on common actions, playing together, like in every MMO ? Gameplay right now leads to desperately selfish behaviors. The only funny thing is to make new characters, again and again, as it always have been. Just to wait until something is released, test it and be bored again.
I would say that devs should unite and focus on what players want. Or maybe they prefer to focus on what they like and find funny. And if that's not the same, we're going right in the wall.
We don't even know devs goals : do they program this game only for fun ? To learn something ? To release it someday and have some deserved success ? Frankly, if I knew they are doing it for their own fun, I would have left long time ago. But that possibility seems pretty dumb to imagine...
Do devs have some roadmap ? Do they have development steps in mind ? We don't know...
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I would say that devs should unite and focus on what players want.
That's going to be interesting. When Solar asked what tc should be like he got 100 differend opinions.
Do devs have some roadmap ? Do they have development steps in mind ? We don't know...
If you read these forums regularly, some leaks appear every now and then. Like remaking caravans and pve. But I haven't spotted any master plan. I'm just thinking: when the server was originally set up, it must have had some sort of purpose and a general idea of "what it will be about". Since the original name was Factions Mod, that should tell something but only someone who knows can explain further.
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If so many people have different opinions, couldn't he select some representative of the most active pvp teams and ask them to realize a plan of what it should be ? Then oppose the ideas and see what good can be used out of it ? It doesn't look too complicated for me. Some time ago, when King of the Hill TC mode was planned, they asked teams advice. Not only good solutions appeared from that initiative, but instead of destroying the whole thing and make something else, couldn't they think about it and ask teams again when they had the next plan in mind ?
And yes, I read the forum pretty often and sometimes, some things are leaked and we bark as dogs we are considered of when we see that. "Ooooh gush, somthing new !" Why not a global article about the final goals ? A list of features they wanna introduce ? Couldn't we then work on these and spare them lot of time by thinking about it or simulating it ingame ? Give them plans they can take or reject if they don't like it ?
Keep us busy, we wanna help you !
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Silent Death/sneak may be OP with nades, but try with melee, it's hard, takes a lot of practice and preparation(scouting, map awareness) but it's extremely funny!
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Fast relog is a big plus to me. I can't count how many times I've been leveling and someone needs a char added to base, or needs a BP from my stash, etc. It's very easy to relog, use the terminal, etc, and get right back to what I was doing.
The downside of this is fast logging during PvP. It was never something we did last wipe, and we weren't really prepared for it this time either. The first time we did some PvP, and I get to the spawn point and there's 9 guys we were just fighting all logged off, I knew that there was no way to really be competitive without having a half dozen alts parked on WM. I admit, I raged a bit. After a more prolonged fight, you see the cycle of chars coming in and out.
Combine that with the terrible TC system, and it's not too much fun. I'm looking forward to see the changes in that.
Finally, the crafting system is my true gripe. I'm fine with depleting resources. I'm fine with blueprints. I'm even fine with limited advanced workbench locations/access. In fact I LOVE those changes.
What I don't like is spending half my time in game grinding footlockers. Seriously, when I saw the topic in suggestions about low tier loot in containers in random encounters, I thought it was a fantastic idea. I still think it's a fantastic idea... only that's not what we have. There are still a lot of empty, completely useable containers in encounters that could be used. Desks, shelves, small buildings, etc. All empty. Finding a small handfull of caps, a Mauser, a stimpack, nuka, cigarettes, or whatever would be awesome. But no, "Let's just add footlockers that people
have to grind for. To make it even better, let's make them locked so people
need ONE MORE ALT than before, and for teh lulz we'll booby trap the shit out of them. Now, to ensure we can actually effectively waste everyones time, we need to put the valuable blueprints in there, otherwise no one will waste their time like this is designed to do."
Seriously, is that how the discussion was? Somehow you managed to take a great idea, and fuck it up beyond recognition, relegating it into the land of retardation.
There has got to be a better way to handle BP's. Making every locker pickable would be a start, as would having maybe 20% of those lockers unlocked in the first
place. A lot of us just ignore the traps anyway, so no issue there. But what about all the other possibilities in the existing maps? Why ONLY footlockers. It's not fun, guys. It's just a grind, and it sucks big floppy donkey dick.
Oh, and where the fuck are my HQ chem components? I can't craft some of the items I literally spent weeks looking for.
/rage
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What I don't like is spending half my time in game grinding footlockers. Seriously, when I saw the topic in suggestions about low tier loot in containers in random encounters, I thought it was a fantastic idea. I still think it's a fantastic idea... only that's not what we have. There are still a lot of empty, completely useable containers in encounters that could be used. Desks, shelves, small buildings, etc. All empty. Finding a small handfull of caps, a Mauser, a stimpack, nuka, cigarettes, or whatever would be awesome. But no, "Let's just add footlockers that people
have to grind for. To make it even better, let's make them locked so people
need ONE MORE ALT than before, and for teh lulz we'll booby trap the shit out of them. Now, to ensure we can actually effectively waste everyones time, we need to put the valuable blueprints in there, otherwise no one will waste their time like this is designed to do."
Seriously, is that how the discussion was? Somehow you managed to take a great idea, and fuck it up beyond recognition, relegating it into the land of retardation.
Goddamn nice view about it. I agree with you dude !
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I have 9 private bases and a car. I solo spears for caps. It takes weeks. I maxed a Lockpicker 300, a PvP fighter, a de-traps guy , and a doctor. These 4 chars are my blueprint hunting team. They find mostly crow bars and sometimes caps (1 cap per locker). It takes weeks. I have a CA BP, but my armorer has no idea where to get bulk HQ fibers, and he lost a GR courier case so he's hosed there.
So yeah...this game is awesome! I do love it. It is the hardest, most brutal game ever. I love that. And i play on Nightmare setting (white knight style) so nobody could complain more than i, and i have no complaints. If i ever do, i'll demand my money back.
However...lol...if i were to mention a few bad things...they'd include the following:
1) Punchers should not be able to knock people down 100% of the time. 50% maybe.
2) Crafters will quit if you don't ease up on crafting - too tough now - recipes are too expensive.
3) All footlockers should open if i have 300% Lockpick skill and lockpicks. ALL of them.
4) Gear deteriorates WAY too fast. Like way. Too. Fast.
5) When item is used to repair like item, used item should auto-science.
(Devs already working on TC system and vendors/bartering - we need to all be patient). (Or ask for money back).
REALLY GOOD THINGS!
Fast Re-Log! Woohoo! I love this! Thank you! I can get more done without irritating delays in between.
Mining/Gathering Resources! Excellent changes this season (no ding-dang timer) - good job.
Removed Professions Limit! YEHAW! Excellent change!
The whole blueprint idea is also great. When i find one, it's like the sky opens up, the sun comes out, Wagner music starts playing from the clouds and a booming voice says "Bet you wanted another crow bar!"
A New Faster Server/Service! And good strong communication about it was much appreciated. :)
A Smooth Migration! Seriously, good job on that *whew*
Ability to buy additional bases with unassisted faction leader. This is huge.
Addition of Outdoorsman Camps, helmets, support perk system, recovery of original CA images, etc etc etc
My Most Urgent Comment
This game was made harder for fighters but MEGA-DIFFICULT for crafters, and all fighters depend on crafters even if they don't know it since crafters supply the game with larger quantities of the best gear. So if you get rid of fast-relog, good golly miss molly that would really just be about the end of finding BPs solo.
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Have to admit that once there is a blueprint in the locker, it's always a moment of small excitement because it can be something really valuable. Little randomness here and there can do wonders.
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Not everyone only people who have multiple PvP characters.
Basically there is no point to participate in PvP for a casual player with 1-2 characters.
Indeed. Being one of those I lost interest. No way I will play like this (with 5 backup pvp on world map).
Personal opinion:
Most mmos tend to reach a point where pvp tactics and efficiency reach its peak, from there, its all about applying strategies perfectly... at this point, you dont play, you just want to win...
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Yeah, this session sucks donkey fluid, but what are you going to do? There are some good ideas, some bad ideas and some HORRIBLE new 'features' (I won't regurgitate them again). Maybe in time things will wash out, maybe not.
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However...lol...if i were to mention a few bad things...they'd include the following:
1) Punchers should not be able to knock people down 100% of the time. 50% maybe.
2) Crafters will quit if you don't ease up on crafting - too tough now - recipes are too expensive.
3) All footlockers should open if i have 300% Lockpick skill and lockpicks. ALL of them.
4) Gear deteriorates WAY too fast. Like way. Too. Fast.
5) When item is used to repair like item, used item should auto-science.
I totally agree. I would just add this:
6) F*cking troll builds with silent death and plasma nades should be f*cking removed. Seriously? Bluesuit with 2 plasma nades (400 caps) can easy kill fully geared guy with CA,drugs,avenger etc. (10,000+ caps) WHAT DA F*CK?!
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I totally agree. I would just add this:
6) F*cking troll builds with silent death and plasma nades should be f*cking removed. Seriously? Bluesuit with 2 plasma nades (400 caps) can easy kill fully geared guy with CA,drugs,avenger etc. (10,000+ caps) WHAT DA F*CK?!
actually its not that bad, good protection againt that is tesla armor and 400 is hard to find, so if u have 2 nades, u maybe kill somebody, but what then, trying to find other 2 nades, very hard, if u wanna u have to kill merceries near sf with 230+ hp, also thay will trow nades on u, its not that simple, otherwise if u plan to craft them, u first have to take demolish expert 2 its 4500 caps, and u have to go to bh VERY DANGEROUS PLACE, to take profesion, thay u'll need bp for nades,(that is already 3 alt to make, one sneaker trower, one crafter, and one lockpicker)then u have to mine uranium ,also only in bh, then to refine uranium ,also in bh, then go to advanced workbech, very, very hard job, bla,bla,bla..
people just crying when got killed, instand of thinking how to make better build, try maybe good sniper against those sneakers, if u r good pe u will see them, or try some tank builds or stop play, but dont cry..
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::) nades are easy to get like you said killl sf mercs. take a dual bger (which all have) and pwn all sf mercs not hard and gets alot of nades.
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::) nades are easy to get like you said killl sf mercs. take a dual bger (which all have) and pwn all sf mercs not hard and gets alot of nades.
Or you can craft 400-800 and use them for weeks... and I have no dual bger.
;D
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Ill quote myself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQkLBqc78aw
About the title post..what can i say...all social groups eventually get corrupted for theyr members actions and/or theyr leader`s secret ambitions/desitions, regardless if they are "good" or "evil". People need to think more and stop narrowing themselves with those ancient ideas about "right" and "wrong" they are just gameplay styles, Section 8 has some players which also like playing in small groups-tb and do lone huntings.I do even know players which do these things on theyr own, or with fewer people, not needing to "tc", there are some of us which love classical style "pk", we dont have any "obligation" in any way to "satisfy" or met nonmembers/players needs/likes/expectations, we play in our way, you play in your way , you could always ask for your space without having to sound like a religious fanatic or an angry kid that doesnt get what he wants...about the hate to player killers in general... i dont know what you are expecting , playing a "wasteland" themed game and having all non hostile players-non hostile npcs, and immortality,what would it be then? go playing habbo hotel if you want an avatar-themed chat "game"...its a real shame that this game has gradually lost its original meaning, and i know some old players would agree with this aswell... i remember wipes ago when it was a real warzone,i as a newbie had to go through broken hills underound cave, because the surface was a constant chaos, i didnt cry, never felt a need to , i just adapted to the dangers, and actually enjoyed the difficulty, even making random local allies, just for the sake of survival,when there was nowhere to be safe, when few people cried over the forum, few people had to cry about getting killed, when you died and there was random respawns, dying in hub and respawning in klamath (the usual respawn place), when mutants were so rare and there wasnt any really mayor imbalance,i remember when miners had to escape from the mine, since they spotted the mutant leader´s scout...those were great times...when newbies protect themselves making local battle groups instead of crying in an internet forum expecting others to solve theyr problems ...most of you never played in those great eras, you didnt need to show off everything you do, you didnt need to have tier 3 gear to actually have fun, all in all its a shame most of you will never enjoy such a great experience...there was no need to troll behind a computer screen, like a momma´s boy, raging and insulting as if it would change anything in any way, but instead, just making the entire thing suck...
LOL... so I see you guys ran into section 8 :D Try fighting 8 players with those plasma sd builds :)
what can i say, most members got tired of uselessly trying to find armor blueprints, neccesary for non sneak combat builds, so we went with low budget assasins, it aint that bad tho, hand to hand with knockdowns is stupid, but well, a shame real assasins with melee (backstab or cutting throats) cant be really effective
Now ill quote zuhardu:
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Quote from: shkoda999 on October 14, 2011, 04:37:04 am
Why there are not enough players?
Stupid rules, to many whiners, lazy developers, uninterested game masters. Tons of discutions about RP when is not actually any RP in FOnline. No real faction quests, very few real quests for solo players, no real feeling that you can affect the game in any way. PVP doesn't exist anymore in wasteland. You can only do TC and to do that your only chance is to join a big faction, which is actually spoiling the wasteland feeling. If you TC you play a few times per day or once every few days, if you don't, you can craft all day items you will never use. Of course, you can go in Redding and act like a moron, roleplaying a redneck because for fonliners role playing is not about quests, rewards or oportunity to affect the game in different ways, is about staying near a brahmin den and talking with "howdy" 8 hours per day or voting a new mayor in a unguarded city that will stop playing after a week because he realises that is actually nothing to do.
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And they should all burn in hell for that. Game abussers!
You know, why don't the mighty devs and gm's just make the "guarded zones" into "no pvp zones". What is the purpose of reinforcements anyway? Is like having a man that didn't eat for a whole week and then give him an apple. After that, tell him not to eat it because is against the rules. Of course the guy eats it and then you tell him how wrong he was and that he is a scum. All that, when you could just not have given this guy his apple.
Section 8 just tried to have fun. If something can be done, we try it. Simple as fuck. We don't cheat and we don't use codes. We did exaclly what others did before us and what others will do after we will be gone. The problem of this game is that it has to many things that "are not allowed" but can be done very easilly. The bigger problem is that these rules are bended and followed to a point only if the dev/gm had a good night sleep or not. Sometimes you can stay in an 2 entrances location, sometimes you can't. Sometimes you can bomb people, sometimes you can't. Sometimes you can leave 40 mercs in Geko mine, sometimes you can't. Sometimes you can have mutants on auto fire, sometimes you can just have normal mercs whitch make the exaclly same thing like mutants (sorry for this, they haven't "fix" it yet). And the list could go on forever.
That's enough, I'm ragequiting! I'll go in Hinkley.
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too long and too boring
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too long and too boring
i can say that but to the "progression" or changes which started at least 2-3 wipes ago regarding farming changes, troll-friend features (if you want to include caravan traps as example here, i always said to myself, its my fault for entering them, i can just avoid them but no, people had to keep entering so they invented a reason to cry and get it nerfed), i also still miss takeable ncr (even as the newbie i was in those times)
With reinforcements it feels like another disgusting mmo, if the game is supposed to be a wasteland why there should be a town with infinite guards? or quests which were entertaining before, (i did the klamath tanker quest in my first wipe, i did it again in this one, just to find out that the robots didnt drop a miserable minigun for my character so i started to laugh there...the way it was before allowed even low level players to be able to get some higher tier stuff by just questing, now they dont drop anything but you still got to waste ammo on them... does it have any sense at all?) i also remember that player number was a lot higher back then, there has to be a reason...
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Well i dont like guarded towns either, all tows should be pvp zone
With random guarded places for trade. Give this game back to players
Best economy is plrs economy. I dont see reason why we cant raid vc, ncr, hub, sf?
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Best economy is plrs economy. I dont see reason why we cant raid vc, ncr, hub, sf?
You can.
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You just won't get much except for whatever players have there at the time if you raid the guarded towns. And really who cares about those players who just came to that town starting out, maybe just got their first gun after waiting 2 hours to get the materials at mines, really who cares? The excuse to be posted beyond my post "The Wasteland is Harsh." Shut the hell up already, this isn't the wasteland this is a game. Challenge is a wonderful thing, Exploit with no risk is not. What we have here is a failure to communicate. The current features of the game have heavily benefited the pvp,troll,lulz apes, and since they comprise a fair amount of the remaining community, any thoughts about the system will be looked at with a bit of slant. I think the biggest issue with the new changes is that somewhere along the way, the devs went from trying to limit alts to just throwing open the floodgates. I think it's a little extreme to need soo many alts just to get one real character through a game. I know people will say then join a group, well right now unless you're really lucky the chances to interact with people and truly find good people to join with is slim an none. I've actually been Pk'd more this time around than last wipes, and that's saying something, and not a single person has responded to the old 'Peace' unwritten wasteland rule. The HtH uber troll builds, and the amazing shoot you in the eyes after just loading into a zone on the far side while THEIR back is turned builds, will always find some way in, but right now there or a ton more.
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...all fighters depend on crafters even if they don't know it since crafters supply the game with larger quantities of the best gear...
This only requires that this MMORPG really becomes MMORPG. I mean, than you need 2 different people, one is full-time PvP and the other full-time crafter. Crafters have plenty of stuff to sell, but noone to sell it to, IMO.
As general, I think this season is more harsh, but that makes it much more enjoyable. I am mostly PvE and having fun even with my only character, I am able to kill even SF mercs alone with my non-ape build.
I like that caps are harder to get, but on the other hand I would like to see trading system working correctly, so I can exchange stuff I crafted for something I can craft and I need (but that can be also managed right now if you know where to sell what).
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actually its not that bad, good protection againt that is tesla armor and 400 is hard to find, so if u have 2 nades, u maybe kill somebody, but what then, trying to find other 2 nades, very hard, if u wanna u have to kill merceries near sf with 230+ hp, also thay will trow nades on u, its not that simple, otherwise if u plan to craft them, u first have to take demolish expert 2 its 4500 caps, and u have to go to bh VERY DANGEROUS PLACE, to take profesion, thay u'll need bp for nades,(that is already 3 alt to make, one sneaker trower, one crafter, and one lockpicker)then u have to mine uranium ,also only in bh, then to refine uranium ,also in bh, then go to advanced workbech, very, very hard job, bla,bla,bla..
people just crying when got killed, instand of thinking how to make better build, try maybe good sniper against those sneakers, if u r good pe u will see them, or try some tank builds or stop play, but dont cry..
You are probably playing with troll build. And for the record plasma nades are so easy to get. I have about 500 of them and I am just buying them from all shops so trolls like you can't get them that easy. How the fu*k can a bluesuit with 2 plasma nades kill a guy with combat armor, psycho,2 x toughness, ~240hp, avenger? This is all top gear and very valuable and you are telling me that troll bluesuit with 2 plasma nades can kill him? ROFLMARIO
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Maybe those sneak grenadiers are now OP, but its just because of silent dead, i dont know why you call it trolling, throwing was the best skill for sneakers before and it is now too.
Maybe it needs to be nerfed or disable silent dead for plasma grenades, disabling it for whole throwing skill is bad idea.I think it can be good for knife thrower, you cant deal that much dmg with knifes and silent dead makes it little bit better...
On the other side finding plasma grenades isnt that easy how you wrote, you are just angry...
Armor decrease sneak skill, thats why they are in bluesuit, also they have low hp because its just not possible to make rly tough sneaker when you need a lot of sneak skill. your guy with minigun can kill sneaker in one or two shots...
Sneak just works this way, your only chance is to attack first and dont let enemy react.
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You are probably playing with troll build. And for the record plasma nades are so easy to get. I have about 500 of them and I am just buying them from all shops so trolls like you can't get them that easy. How the fu*k can a bluesuit with 2 plasma nades kill a guy with combat armor, psycho,2 x toughness, ~240hp, avenger? This is all top gear and very valuable and you are telling me that troll bluesuit with 2 plasma nades can kill him? ROFLMARIO
acctually, yes, i have very good build, and in my expirience, very rare u can kill guy with toughness x2, sory, it could happens, but when u trow bomb u go out of sneak, and then i am dead, and i am not sure what u all guys talking about, like poor avenger buils,omg, everybody with avenger also kill everyone, thay just burst and enemy is dead, i dont see any different between trower sneak build and any other good build, u just didnt expect thet u will die, so sory, but this game is to survive, please dont cry
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Raiding towns like NCR and VC, You people speak like u hav an organisation greater than NCR to pull it off.
From reading posts the only things that are messed up are TC, not enough online players for this system to work.
Ores and mins should regenerate a little faster.
Maybe Deteriation should be lowered.
The fact most people are using slavaged stuff is pretty cool, ive met players in-game who agree. Can acutally be a scav now.
Those who say are fuck all quests...try talking to NPC's.
Rusted footlockers with BP in it, needing 300 LP and LP's is a joke IMHO. keyword "RUSTED" unless BOS crafted footlockers and randomly placed them in citys.
Silent Death, i assumed only ever applied to melee weapons. Hence the knife Vault boy is using in the image.
OX
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On the other side finding plasma grenades isnt that easy how you wrote, you are just angry...
Armor decrease sneak skill, thats why they are in bluesuit, also they have low hp because its just not possible to make rly tough sneaker when you need a lot of sneak skill. your guy with minigun can kill sneaker in one or two shots...
Sneak just works this way, your only chance is to attack first and dont let enemy react.
u r right dude, i just say not only way to win it to attack first, proper build and proper gear also can proteckt, and standing in fron of wall also protecto u , but that was ment to be to thay discoverd on their own, like playing the game and understand enemies and understand the game, but no, people are afraid and they crying a lot when thay loose , and i must say, as more people crying i will kill more! enjoy and find the way to protect ur self and make better builds and play better,sory
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You are probably playing with troll build. And for the record plasma nades are so easy to get. I have about 500 of them and I am just buying them from all shops so trolls like you can't get them that easy. How the fu*k can a bluesuit with 2 plasma nades kill a guy with combat armor, psycho,2 x toughness, ~240hp, avenger? This is all top gear and very valuable and you are telling me that troll bluesuit with 2 plasma nades can kill him? ROFLMARIO
pyscho and 2 x toughness only adds to NORMAL damage resist not plasma resist. The threshold from toughness only adds -3 damage from plasma lol...
You have to remember that these plasma grenades have to be thrown at the back, you can easily go agiasnt a wall with a 10-12 percption sniper and kill them if they try to attack. Trolls we be trolls, half the fun in this game is the ability to troll people you take that away it leaves out half the fun of survival, and the fun aspect of trolling yourself. I think you guys who complain about trolls need to try trolling yourself it can be very fun at times. It is not 2238 without trolling!
I play for PvP mostly, and the town control complaining is just beating a dead horse. And there is a good player base trading people like me do not feel like farming blue prints for hours I would rather farm caps and gear and trade that for blue prints. I for one have fun farming and PvP. The PvP yeah it sucks, big gunners get all the love but you know the game does get adjust alot, and that was my annoyance from being player #21 on my shitty starter character was the constant changing and removing and adding of stuff.
This game has potential for a good player base economy, trading is useless I don't even trade to shops, hours spent getting blue prints is worth while to a person who doesn't farm them. And a person who farms all day has gear and caps to trade for blue prints.
Raiding towns like NCR and VC, You people speak like u hav an organisation greater than NCR to pull it off.
I do not think you understand the motives of section8, they are not about town control or pvp they are about organized trolling and annoying other players. I have the admit some of the stuff they pull off makes me laugh even if its done to me XD.
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I think it's a bad sign when someone makes a thread with "Piece of shit game" in the title and everyone just unanimously agrees with him.
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I think it's a bad sign when someone makes a thread with "Piece of shit game" in the title and everyone just unanimously agrees with him.
But yet here we are still playing this game :P
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Haven't touched the game in like a week. Leveled yet another alt to 22, couldn't work up the motivation to grind out those last two levels, went off to play through Fallout 2 again. My completely unwarranted obsession with this game just doesn't spark like it used to nowadays.
I mean, Fallout 2 is wholly a single player game, but to my horror the game world actually provided some modicum of feedback to my actions and it gave me a... feeling. I can.. feel things now. R-re-reward? Rewarding? Is that the word? It's been so long. I even reflexively dumped charisma and luck from sort of muscle memory on character creation. Oh god, I need help.
Honestly, when playing a videa game I periodically do kind of a 'litmus test' for pointlessness to decide whether or not to soldier on - as all vidaeo games are ultimately pointless - but this game, man. This game starts at pointless, then shifts into reverse beyond more and more layers of meta-pointlessness until the very pointlessness of the game is, in itself, pointless. Hope this doesn't sound like I'm hating on the game, because yep. That'd be completely against the spirit of this thread, wouldn't it. :-\
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The fact most people are using slavaged stuff is pretty cool, ive met players in-game who agree. Can acutally be a scav now.
Yeah, its more entertaining then crafting.
Silent Death, i assumed only ever applied to melee weapons. Hence the knife Vault boy is using in the image.
doesnt matter what he is using in image...I wanna have more usefull builds for pvp in this game not just bigguner, sniper or grenadier.Silent dead makes pistols, throwing knifes, unarmed and grenades more usable, of course you cant do much with those characters even with silent dead against big guner or sniper but it is better then before...
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...couldn't work up the motivation to grind out those last two levels, went off to play through Fallout 2 again.
Hey do you play the Restoration Project version? I highly recommend it and i won't ever play F2 the old way again after playing killapp's RP patch. You can actually rescue Sulik's sister and build an orphanage for the thieving kids in The Den - get them off the streets!
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All these nice offtopics made this whole thread useless. Better close it !
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Actually only a few people went wholly off topic in their post, the rest had some in their post, but remained mostly on topic. I know that the people who benefit from the current system being so lax on pretty much any kind of trolling are afraid of change, but if this is ever going to become a Game and not just a test on how many times can you go to this place to get this, it may need to happen. I can already hear the "Wasteland is Harsh" drums rolling up in tempo, but there are some of us who want to play this game, not just endure it.
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In amoungst all the random moaning about non specfiic things, there were some actual points listed.
1) Punchers should not be able to knock people down 100% of the time. 50% maybe.
2) Crafters will quit if you don't ease up on crafting - too tough now - recipes are too expensive.
3) All footlockers should open if i have 300% Lockpick skill and lockpicks. ALL of them.
4) Gear deteriorates WAY too fast. Like way. Too. Fast.
5) When item is used to repair like item, used item should auto-science.
1) This will be changed and will be a maximum of 50% for Str 10 guys (if they don't use the unarmed weapons)
2) I'm unsure about this, there's no cumulative countdown, or gathering countdown ... the only thing I can think is that its the spawn rate. Is that so?
3) I'm no great fan of lockpicker alts, so just pumping up the skill shouldn't do it. But the lockpicking system doesnt make much sense at the moment.
4) Gear should have gone back to the exact same rate as before by now - was there never a decrease from the season starting rate? A bug was making it go 3 times as fast, the rate was never meant to have changed.
5) You already get the value added onto the original weapon, I don't think it needs to double reward it.
Seems weird, the changes should have made it really easy to craft stuff (and scavenge all you need) - and some people are increadibly wealthy, yet consistently people complain about it being too hard. Would be helpful if the feedback was somewhat better than the original (insulting) post.
Of course we havent been helped by the old server blowing up and stealing all the scripter time either.
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1) This will be changed and will be a maximum of 50% for Str 10 guys (if they don't use the unarmed weapons)
For melee weapons also? I mean if there will be any chance to kd also not only with sledge which got that perk but still need a good crit?(Heavy handed don't work in it, so using super sledge for even more than trolling pvp is useless, better do it with stick and stones).
2) I'm unsure about this, there's no cumulative countdown, or gathering countdown ... the only thing I can think is that its the spawn rate. Is that so?
Bring brahmin to mine, then leave it empty for 20 minutes, also If Iam not wrong the minerals and ore is respawning by 2 pieces only, so one can stand all day there and mine and put inside cow, still abusable, also about blueprints, yes they are expensive and only hardcore gamers sell them to casuals, but dey cannot aford 10k price for a shitty 14mm pizdol blueprint,(which is able to get from quest, but killing mutants Is hard for loner).
3) I'm no great fan of lockpicker alts, so just pumping up the skill shouldn't do it. But the lockpicking system doesnt make much sense at the moment.
Sure it doesn't have sense, so why there are those lockers?
4) Gear should have gone back to the exact same rate as before by now - was there never a decrease from the season starting rate? A bug was making it go 3 times as fast, the rate was never meant to have changed.
Guess making new weapons isn't now so hard, but this condition wore somehow faster than before for armors.
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yes. armors after death are most of time beyond repair. in prev sesion we could rep it but now they are usless, can you make penalty of death -30% not -(70-75)% it would help a lot.
and what is wrong with support perks :
mr fix it - it doesnt work, i repaired many armors and weapons and i never rep them to higher /% then basic, and i have 300rep and tool in my hand.
dismantler - i dont see difference between 180sience and 1luck and 300 sience and 10luck.
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Melee weapons will have their own effects added at some point.
I'm not sure if it was already done and waiting for an update, or due to be done just before the server went, but the spawn rate was meant to be less at once but more often (to reduce the effect of someone clearing the mine out).
We don't have infinite time, so some things have to wait, even when we know they don't work right. Lockers are one of these things.
Armours, there will be a change to how they work, up to 50% they will work as normal - then once under 50% they will still work with full stats, but there will start to be a chance to suffer a bypass. 1% chance at 49% considition and 49% chance at 1% condition. This should make it less important to have perfect health armours.
I guess the death effect could be reduced, so PvP didn't wreck them so badly.
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I supposed someone would be more interested into REAL changes and information about the game's future, but no, you're all still thinking about your little personal problems. Enough !
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I supposed someone would be more interested into REAL changes and information about the game's future, but no, you're all still thinking about your little personal problems. Enough !
Well those personal problems also affects other people ^^.
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Well, those problems are already known from the team, I don't see the point of discussing it again and again ! Couldn't we focus on what matters, at least once ?
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Bring brahmin to mine, then leave it empty for 20 minutes, also If Iam not wrong the minerals and ore is respawning by 2 pieces only, so one can stand all day there and mine and put inside cow, still abusable
You know what I do when I see someone with cow? I come with my small gun burster, kill the cow and then I come with my alt and pick up his ore and minerals.
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Armours, there will be a change to how they work, up to 50% they will work as normal - then once under 50% they will still work with full stats, but there will start to be a chance to suffer a bypass. 1% chance at 49% considition and 49% chance at 1% condition. This should make it less important to have perfect health armours.
I guess the death effect could be reduced, so PvP didn't wreck them so badly.
fine for me, maby death/critical death would reduce -10%/20% of armor so we could use them after battle or wear them if they will be still in good shape. right now it is 100-75% so it give us 20-25% armor and we have to repair it and very often we decrease it durability from 100 to 94%
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1) Thank you, Solar - that is good news about the change to punchers knockdown.
3) I am sure when i say the Treasure Finder support perk is still working backwards. I find 1 cap per locker.
5) The new way resembles Fallout 3 and it's good. But in Fallout 3, the used item disappears. Here, the used item should also disappear when it gets to "beyond repair". The fact that it does not is an irritation that requires us to take yet another step per item. Multiply that by how many times this needs to be done by heavy crafters and you see the need for a slight change.
2) I am not talking about resource-recovery rates. I am talking about three serious bottlenecks that were added to crafting of HQ gear: a) blueprints, b) limited advanced benches, and c) big increases to recipe expenses.
So we have these three all at once with no way to measure the effects of each one, one at a time. So the crafter's game is MEGA-MORE difficult. Yet, i think we all like the blueprint idea (i do!) and there is a thrill at the a-benches with that added risk. So i am suggesting one thing only on this for now: cut junk requirements in half and double how much junk we find per encounter. Keep it all the same otherwise. This one change might not be enough but we can take small steps in favor of crafting until we find a happy place.
Again, game is hosed if we lose crafters (and we're already seeing people prefer to farm now over crafting).
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5) The new way resembles Fallout 3 and it's good. But in Fallout 3, the used item disappears. Here, the used item should also disappear when it gets to "beyond repair".
dude it isnt fairy armor where tooth fairy take it from you, when it is beyond u can use sience on it with your siencer to get mats.
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I've tried and tried but cannot seem to find this game at all fun. I was introduced to it from some friends (who have since stopped playing) to show me that mmo's can actually be good. The only mmo I had ever known about was WoW, so to hear there was a mmo based in the fallout universe rather than some fairy universe, I was quite excited.
Unfortunately I cannot spend 10+ hours a day playing video games, which seems to be the prerequisite for mmo's, and especially this game.
Now I've scoured these forums, I've spoken to many people in NCR, (most of them being ridiculous trolls telling me to play hello kitty or WoW, or offering some other FOnline rhetoric that I've read over and over again, instead of offering any legit advice). But I did find one helpful fellow who showed where to gather fruit and who to sell it to. So I gathered fruit... and gathered fruit.... and gathered fruit. Then I bought a gun! HOORAYY! Now it's time to level up. So I fight mole rats, as instructed by this forum. Then I fight molerats....then molerats....then molerats. So after several weeks of rather intense gaming for myself, I have reached level 11....fuck me. By the way I left out the constant death by people camping traders in northern cities. Which then I redo the previous paragraph.
I was told (in ncr) by a level 24 virgin, that he accomplished this feat of getting to max level in under a week because as he said 'he's not fucking retarded'. I assumed he knew a serious exploit, and that I was truly stupid for not knowing this commonplace secret, that apparently EVERYONE knows.
Anways long story short, this game is wicked awesome fun if you enjoy repetition, being trolled (with the possibility of maybe one day becoming the troll), or enjoy sitting alone with your thoughts, waiting for the game to happen.
Fuck it, I'll go play Battlefield 3 :).
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I'm not sure if it was already done and waiting for an update, or due to be done just before the server went, but the spawn rate was meant to be less at once but more often (to reduce the effect of someone clearing the mine out).
I think mines are fine, except for people that try only junktown mine maybe, no actually the most impossible crafting is drug crafting. Just take a look : there is no HQ chemical, regular chemical respawn by pack of 10 each 10 min... You need 3 to make 1 super stim. Which means, 3 super stims each 10 minutes (if you do only that), let's say 20 if you camp both places killing everyone. That's 6 superstims by 10 min, 36 per hours, doing only that. A PvP team can easily eat 100 super stim in one day! No question why nobody craft those and farm instead.
We don't have infinite time, so some things have to wait, even when we know they don't work right. Lockers are one of these things.
I even wonder why the hell these things are locked. Was the whole point to force people to make alt to farm them? It should be a nice bonus sometimes than any character could open. Maybe, sometimes, one locker locked that you can open everytime with 100 lockpick or with 30 if you're very lucky. But most of times, not locked at all. Or it only become a "nobody open it except blueprint searching chars" (without blueprints, nobody would even bother opening them).
Armours, there will be a change to how they work, up to 50% they will work as normal - then once under 50% they will still work with full stats, but there will start to be a chance to suffer a bypass. 1% chance at 49% considition and 49% chance at 1% condition. This should make it less important to have perfect health armours.
That sounds very good.
I guess the death effect could be reduced, so PvP didn't wreck them so badly.
Sounds very good too.
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In amoungst all the random moaning about non specfiic things, there were some actual points listed.
1) This will be changed and will be a maximum of 50% for Str 10 guys (if they don't use the unarmed weapons)
if you re going to change this, fix the keybinding bug that makes unarmed aiming imposible
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No offense intended to any of the devs, but the game is pretty boring right now. There's no new content or quests being added (aside from .22 ammo). TC is shit currently. And I don't think there has been any response from the devs on the treasure hunter perk working backwards.
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in 2238 this perk hunt you
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No offense intended to any of the devs, but the game is pretty boring right now. There's no new content or quests being added (aside from .22 ammo). TC is shit currently. And I don't think there has been any response from the devs on the treasure hunter perk working backwards.
TC in this season isn't perfect, but how many Town Controls have you done until now? Saying TC is shit is like saying that this game is shit. If so then nobody forces you to be here, you can go.
This new system at least supports small scale PvP like never before. Huge gangs and alliances don't play anymore, because the current system is not made for them (try to stay in a town with full squad 24 hours every day, impossible). They might control majority of towns, but go and check these... towns are either empty or full of other gangs, which is good for PvP.
Personally I'd like to see the day, when I launch FOnline and say to myself "there is nothing else to do in this game, maybe I should play another". It's been exactly two years since I started to play FOnline and there is still plenty of stuff you can do. Farming, crafting, leveling, chatting with players, pvp in towns, rt pvp in encounters, tb pvp in encounters, pve with friends (aka hunting, not to be confused with farming), doing quests and a lot more. Only your imagination is your enemy.
For people, who really want to enjoy some pvp, there are some advices:
- Are you alone? Don't have ingame friends? Make a sneaker. It's a well known fact, that sneakers experience a lot of action.
- Are you a group of friends, not more than 5? Plenty of choices, for example TB fights near SF or if you don't like TB, you can do some guerrilla tactics in unguarded towns.
- Are you a bigger group of friends, more than 10? Everyone make a good max level pvp char and go fight to TC towns! Because guess what, almost all active gangs don't have more than 12 players at the time.
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Tc is junk
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almost all active gangs don't have more than 12 players at the time.[/li][/list]
That's what Fast Relog is for trolololol. ;D
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I agree on the TC system, it needs work but i feel the grenades should have less damage with silent death, its insane with the 200+ damage crit.
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How about just getting rid of Sneak altogether? Being completely invisible to someone standing a few meters in front of me is dumb anyway. Sneak/disappear skills are always the plague of MMO PvP. It can work well in single player mode, but utilizing it in a multilayer environment is just silly.
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How about just getting rid of Sneak altogether? Being completely invisible to someone standing a few meters in front of me is dumb anyway. Sneak/disappear skills are always the plague of MMO PvP. It can work well in single player mode, but utilizing it in a multilayer environment is just silly.
someone dont like rogues
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it is scout, not harry potter. you can see him from 10-15hex in open because ghost didnt work. but u need +10pe
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someone dont like rogues
Ironically, in every game I always play the rogue/burglar/thief character. :)
Yet I will also readily acknowledge that being invisible in plain sight is pretty dumb. There are better ways to figure out being stealthy in my opinion, but that is topic for a brand new game that has not been made yet.
I think FOnline without Sneak could be quite fun. People (such as me) would be forced to stop trying to figure out the most annoying 'troll' build, and we would all go back to gun builds and have fun shooting at each other.
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As far as what Solar was saying about the crafting system, right now it sadly requires either serious money making alts, or at least scavving lockpicking alts to be able to advance those systems. And that's not including the fact that now, camping the good benches has become a sport for the bored people, so even if you manage to get your hands on the bps and materials for making higher end gear, Good Luck keeping it. At least before a small gang could get together and make almost anything except MFC's if they had the patience and skill to get the material. Now you have to have a group of pvp haulers just to get to craft stuff. Alts, alts, alts, alts. Didn't there used to be a discussion about how the devs wanted to make alting LESS of an issue? Oh and love the post with the, "See brahmin, fast relog burster alt, kill brahmin, fast relog carry alt, get stuff." Not really what I would call a step forward this session.
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I like the crafting system, it is nice for once everybody not having brotherhood armor. And I for one like the idea of advanced work benches being in unsafe locations, it makes the game more interesting. I don't know but if you ask me being able to craft everything in a safe location such as a base seems kind of sissy now...
Believe me I raged when I got pk at a advanced work bench, but I think its just stupid how last wipe the worse that can happen is getting pk at a mine while waiting another 20 minutes to gather, and then by time you got passed the log out timer the pkers are gone, now you can fast log to your uber ape and kill the pker that got your materials :D
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How about just getting rid of Sneak altogether? Being completely invisible to someone standing a few meters in front of me is dumb anyway. Sneak/disappear skills are always the plague of MMO PvP. It can work well in single player mode, but utilizing it in a multilayer environment is just silly.
Sneak used to be balanced but silent death fractured the balance. The balance was that in previous session a bg couln't see a sneak but sneak couldn't harm bg that much. Sniper was able to see sneak but sneak could fight sniper. Best sneakers used lsw in previous session, it was and still is a quality weapon so you had to play smart.
Now we got sneaks that are able to fight everyone with low tier gear because of silent death turns low-medium power weapons into instakill devices.
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Best sneakers used lsw in previous session, it was and still is a quality weapon so you had to play smart.
You won't see many lsw sneakers in this session due to huge sneak penalty and (which is even worse) because it's unfarmable.
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You won't see many lsw sneakers in this session due to huge sneak penalty and (which is even worse) because it's unfarmable.
But even if lsw didnt have sneak penalty, silent death would still excell because it just has such qualities that turn cheap gear into proper killing devices.
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But even if lsw didnt have sneak penalty, silent death would still excell because it just has such qualities that turn cheap gear into proper killing devices.
I fully agree.
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Well smg sneakers were ridiculous glad they are gone.
There has to be some room for fun builds, I mean ape builds are fun but I think there needs to be room for creativity, and sneaker builds make for creativity. I tried making an lsw sneaker last wipe and hated it, it was too annoying getting killed by snipers, so I just ended up just using the build for as a blue suit scout. I can see where sneakers being used for pk would make people rage.
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then are little to op, reduce sd crit modificator and everything will be fine. Now only plasma grenade sneaker are op but it is way better then greese gun shit death
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In case lsw didn't have a sneak penalty and I would be able to obtain it (which I'm not) be sure I'd use it, I loved my lsw sneaker. Basically the only sneak perk you would need is silent running, so with 3x brd, some lifegivers, lsw would become an ultimate killing machine, again. Only weapon which is little overpowered are plasma nades, however they have some limits, too (low range).
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Last session lsw, rocket and plasma nade sneaks were pretty balanced, now some cheap plasma nade sneaker is op and you can't use lsw sneaks properly.
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I agree on the TC system, it needs work but i feel the grenades should have less damage with silent death, its insane with the 200+ damage crit.
Simple enough to stop grenades working with SD ... or indeed stop Plasmas being so common, which should happen anyway.
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Simple enough to stop grenades working with SD ... or indeed stop Plasmas being so common, which should happen anyway.
Second most powerful are aimed SD shots with laser pistol, which is also very easy to get and has incredible damage when it crits. Bluesuits wielding only laser pistol aren't very rare sight these days.
Maybe sd should just do a certain bypass when shooting from behind while sneaked?
Then it would be okay with plasmagrens and pretty much any weapon. Could even test if burst wouldn't be too powerful so that smg sneakers can make a return. Sd could work with rifle and shotgun weapons aswell just fine.
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Plasmas being so common...
Everything will be common, its a matter of time.
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Simple enough to stop grenades working with SD ... or indeed stop Plasmas being so common, which should happen anyway.
Why would you do that? That'd just make a lot of builds obsolete and it's not like SD is the dominant force in PvP anyway. It'd be a knee-jerk reaction nerf because some people couldn't be arsed to watch their back and raged on the forums because of getting killed. The fact is that it's enough to make a few random turns and/or stand with your back to the wall to prevent 99% of sneakers from killing you and when you're moving in a group that has sneaker cover you're next to untouchable for them. How is that overpowered? It just enhances the game with another build/tactic that works in very specific conditions, introduces more tension to combat and requires some skill to make it work. Oh, and do note that sneakers need this kind of damage (which can be inflicted only when their target is standing with his back exposed long enough to setup that killshot), because the moment they desneak with a combat build around they're dead, as simple as that.
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How is that overpowered? It just enhances the game with another build/tactic that works in very specific conditions and requires some skill to make it work.
Because you can kill bgs that can't see the sneak. BGs and sneaks aren't meant to fight each other. Sneaks can avoid bgs, so they can avoid them. Bgs can smash sneaks, but they can't find them. That's how the balance used to be, silent death breaks it the way it works.
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Because you can kill bgs that can't see the sneak. BGs and sneaks aren't meant to fight each other. Sneaks can avoid bgs, so they can avoid them. Bgs can smash sneaks, but they can't find them. That's how the balance used to be, silent death breaks it the way it works.
So it all boils down to "waaah, I have an Avenger and a CA, I want to be untouchable without any effort"? If a sneaker kills you in a combat zone, it's just your fault, same with a sniper, a laser build and another BG. The thing is a sneaker has to meet very specific conditions (you're standing with your back exposed, you aren't moving around too much, there's no cover from your teammates) to stand a chance and even then there's no guarantee he will score a kill if your BG is a tank. When compared with what other combat builds have to do to score a kill (just have the bastard in range with a clear LOS), that's not very impressive.
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So it all boils down to "waaah, I have an Avenger and a CA, I want to be untouchable without any effort"?
It boils down to "waah I have 6-7 perception so sneak can move around me easily and kill me despite my resistances and firepower I chose instead of perception because imma BG".
You tend to talk about strategies and adapting rather than mechanics and balance. Well here's the best strategy: don't ever enter anywhere. Just stay on worldmap. All problems solved.
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Do any nerfs you want except leave SD for melee weapons as it is :(
Plasma nader with 2xHeaveHo can throw a nade for 200dmg from ~20 hexes range, which is quite powerful.
But of course it can be easly countered by snipers with 12 PE and sneaker scouts running around, a good team should have both of them.
Compare melee sneaks though... They have low PE, they can't see other sneakers. Giving them perception would sacrifice too much.
They have to approach a target within 1 hex range.
And the annoying knockback effect... And shitty damage(even for Super Cattle Prod).
Not saying they are totally useless, if I manage to catch someone out of position, at some distance from his teammates, with no militia(FUCK MILITIA) swarm he's often dead.
But they definetly need a buff IMO.
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It boils down to "waah I have 6-7 perception so sneak can move around me easily and kill me despite my resistances and firepower I chose instead of perception because imma BG".
You tend to talk about strategies and adapting rather than mechanics and balance. Well here's the best strategy: don't ever enter anywhere. Just stay on worldmap. All problems solved.
That is mostly what problem is about. Some may say take snipers, but than again, max pe sniper vs max sneak, in usual conditions sneak visible form 18 hexes, with 2 perks increasing throw range thats less than sneaks attack range, and thats even when we are talking about sneak being in front of sniper when sniper gots best chance to see him.
In case of bg it's even worse.
It's not even a case of 'I got avengah and i'm supa killa', it's a case of I got gear at all and you are just naked troll with easy to get plasma nades...
Sneaks should be for sneaking, scouting and such, not running around and insta killing. LSW sneaks from previous session were well balanced and very nice to play or to fight against.
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So just make SD work at 10 hex range and closer? Why nerf it into oblivion? Having sneakers who can actually do serious damage enhances this game in so many ways that nerfing it just so that lone powerbuilds can walk around like a baws once again would be a real shame.
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The thing is a sneaker has to meet very specific conditions
This just caught my eyes ... ;D
(http://s7.postimage.org/4txpwsjzb/Back.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4txpwsjzb/)
very specific conditions , even if you run in his face he and he runs by you he still can initiate " silent death " , if you ask me that's ridiculous.
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(http://i41.tinypic.com/vhg4tx.jpg)
There, problem solved.
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No it doesn't you just have to be in line of him from one of the sides , i tested all that in CBT :)
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So just make SD work at 10 hex range and closer? Why nerf it into oblivion?
The biggest problem is that it autocrits. Besides, crits and sneak fit together badly. Crits are based on gambling and sneaking is about planning. You can't plan to win at gamble, that's why a sd sneaker who gets bad crits usually dies right away. But because he can get those good crits with any gear, it's encouraging to roll with as little gear as possible to reduce the losses from unsuccesful attack.
Personally I beleave best option would be either damage boost or guaranteed bypass. It doesn't add any random instances in the play, but a simple predictable bonus. This encourages taking good gear because good gear benefits more from pure damage bonuses than crap gear.
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No it doesn't you just have to be in line of him from one of the sides , i tested all that in CBT :)
Right, because all walls are straight.
Personally I beleave best option would be either damage boost or guaranteed bypass. It doesn't add any random instances in the play, but a simple predictable bonus. This encourages taking good gear because good gear benefits more from pure damage bonuses than crap gear.
Well, as long as it's a 1shot kill in case it connects "right" I see nothing wrong with that. Heck, just make SD do +50% crit chance instead of autocrit and call it a day.
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Oh my ... you are just impossible , it doesn't matter what kind of wall if your in a straight line of him on one of the sides it counts as back. How stubborn can you get.
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Oh my ... you are just impossible , it doesn't matter what kind of wall if your in a straight line of him on one of the sides it counts as back. How stubborn can you get.
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O rly? Well, SD-hit this. Actually, SD-hit a dude that keeps changing direction at random, because with 150-ish ping and 60 fps he's got 8-12 blind frames on you and you can't tell what direction he's facing at the moment of the throw. And that's assuming attacks have 1 frame to become active, if the hit occurs after a few startup frames you can add that too.
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Nevermind. Talking about completely ridiculous stuff again , irrelevant.
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Framedata and lag being ridiculous and irrelevant to competitive gameplay? That's a new one. You never cease to amaze (amuse?) me tripleight, keep it up.
Anyway, since this issue was brought up and starting a new thread would be a bit too much, a quick one to Solar - do weapons deal damage the moment an attack is registered by the game in a completely lag-free environment, or do the animations matter in this respect? Does it vary from weapon to weapon, or is it all consistent?
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you are such a cry babies...sneakers with plasma grenades are op and everyon knows that. it was matter if time when devs will turn it off. but putting away sd from throwing shint isnt good way, just remove it from plasma granades, well i want to see what will happen when i will be able to use 223 pistol ;D and stop crying, lasers are good, 223pistols could be problem but i need to check it first, plasma grenages are op
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remove sd i say. its crazy a sneaker with 50 hp can do 250 damage on a guy in ca.... really sneakers should be only good for 1 thing thats scouting the enemy other then that they should be nothing. really who thought this up? lets make a bluesuit sneaker a fucken tank that can kill guys in ca's with 1 simple attack.
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Even if they take SD away, you still can make a sneaker with 85% crit chance.
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Even if they take SD away, you still can make a sneaker with 85% crit chance.
It was possible in last session too but such builds didn't manage.
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so what? sneaker is for scout and killing loners, but not pvp tanks
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Im the only one that thinks that the game has been getting worse with every update?
I think that all new things in this season has been fucked... im talking about tc, farming, crafting, combat, skills and all the things i dont want even think of.
I remember that the game was good in previus season besides a few bugs (bank sistem,inv teleport) and the one before it i remember it was great too, even when i played only the last 2 months of it.
I cant understand what the devs want to make this game of... i think it was a great game time ago and it isnt now...thats my opinnion and i would like to know what you guys the fonline community thinks.
I hope my post wont be censored because of the tittle or the things im saying, i think that what im saying is what a part of the comunnity thinks and i just want the best for this great game.
Sincerely Kalo
No you are not the only one. Yes the game is tottaly a piece of crap new updates add new harsh unessecary restrictions that forced me to move to military base just to have access to adv workbench and i got scammed by a local gang and took ALL of my stuff.
Ofc i reported this exploit to devs and GM's but no1 gave a fuck except me for plying 2 months day and night this peice of shit so the 18 yo kids steal all my stuff i worked hard to get.
Fuck you devs for exploiting interplays fallout engines fuck you and go die for exploiting this fine game and this fine fonline engine YOU fucked up
GTFO i hope solar flare burns ur fucking server you fucking scums go develop packman idiots u screwed fonline engine on 2238 server
good thing u are not the only fonline server around
Try FODE guys its still in pre beta release but at least there if u get scummed u get ur stuff back for free.
And FODE got so many new features and a lot better features that 2238 crap server.
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The only thing that belongs to Black Isle Studio (not existing any more) is graphics and sounds. This engine is made by someone else.
I'm sad to see you so angry, but that is how it ends if you don't know the rules. The rules for this server are "everything is allowed" and that is why it is always worth being careful and never trust anybody.
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Sneaking is useful even without SD, I don't understand why devs had to increase its power by adding SD when there are many skills that are useless and need a boost.
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The only thing that belongs to Black Isle Studio (not existing any more) is graphics and sounds. This engine is made by someone else.
I'm sad to see you so angry, but that is how it ends if you don't know the rules. The rules for this server are "everything is allowed" and that is why it is always worth being careful and never trust anybody.
This is a game not the actual wasteland. In wasteland they dont have forums to talk things over.
Everything should be allowed in logicial limits of a game!
Those scums invited me to their base then once i moved all my stuff they started killing me...
Do you understand?
The only thing that belongs to Black Isle Studio (not existing any more) is graphics and sounds. This engine is made by someone else.
I'm sad to see you so angry, but that is how it ends if you don't know the rules. The rules for this server are "everything is allowed" and that is why it is always worth being careful and never trust anybody.
graphics map sounds and the development tool u guys used to create ur own server and exploit the game.
You have NO right to do that.
In past i said my opinion in forums that proffesion and restriction are very harsh you OVER do it.....
But no you do whatever u feel its right cause u belong to gang and u got tons of guns and u wanna dominate everything with ur friends....
But what about solo players or loners?
We dont have the right to play?
or we have to be ur target dummie?
if u wanna do something ask our opinion and make something friendly for us also not you and ur friends only
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Seems like Nice_Boat got answer for every PvP situation, Id like to know what invincible chars does he play with.
SD sneaker is overpowered not because of dmg, but because of caps:effect ratio. You invest few hundred caps and kill almost every char in the game. If not on the first try, repeat. SD plasma sneakers arent that big threat in swarm pvp, but in small scale pvp, they pose a serious threat that cant be prevented.
@Zogra - move to FODE already
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Uhmmm.... The graphics and sound are pretty much fair use because the people who made it are no longer getting money for this game. The development tool to create server is free to use for anybody, that is what the creator of this tool says. So yeah, they have the same right to create a server as do you.
I play solo. I never trust players. Why? Because I know very well that there is 0 punishment here. I got killed and lost my items today too. With no chance to shoot back before I died. I was angry, but I know that this happens. You lost everything because you forgot this server has pretty much no rules. This is why people are fuckers who just want to make you angry.
Can you name the gang you joined? This is the second time I hear that they kill a faction member after he brings his stuff into the base.
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SD sneaker is overpowered not because of dmg, but because of caps:effect ratio. You invest few hundred caps and kill almost every char in the game. If not on the first try, repeat. SD plasma sneakers arent that big threat in swarm pvp, but in small scale pvp, they pose a serious threat that cant be prevented.
Another player who's been looking for Counter Strike but accidentally found FOnline. Another player who thinks "loook at mah avanger i spended 5 minuts in BoS encounter, its sooo expensive and now I well p0wn ya allll madafakerz!!!1". Seriously, this game is not about investment, it is mostly about luck. In every FOnline season with a bit of luck you were able to kill almost everyone with very cheap stuff. Sneakers aren't perfect, but serious threat? I am only sad, that there are no bg sneakers in this season.
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Kelin please tell me where can I find cheap and easy to get cas ? since its all about op cheap dmg vs expensive armor:resistance
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graphics map sounds and the development tool u guys used to create ur own server and exploit the game.
You have NO right to do that.
In past i said my opinion in forums that proffesion and restriction are very harsh you OVER do it.....
But no you do whatever u feel its right cause u belong to gang and u got tons of guns and u wanna dominate everything with ur friends....
But what about solo players or loners?
We dont have the right to play?
or we have to be ur target dummie?
FUCK YOU IDIOTS AND SUCK MY BIG HORNY DICK
if u wanna do something ask our opinion and make something friendly for us also not you and ur friends only
scums
Zogra ate POUTSA and now he whines... makes sense... crying about the game after he got pwned.... if he had done it to others he would say QQ noob etc...
but now POUTSA!
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Kelin please tell me where can I find cheap and easy to get cas ? since its all about op cheap dmg vs expensive armor:resistance
So that means with CA you are supposed to be immortal?
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Funny and sad together is, that Devs are incompetent in balancing. All current problems were foreseen, but devs though that magicly players will change their behaviour and stop using best possible builds.
Shame on you ;D ;D ;D
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@Kelin - I invest time into getting proper stuff for pvp and expect to have fun equal to time invested. On the other hand, you, some cheap sneaker is able to beat me at least 50% of time and I ask why should I bother getting better stuff, when we can all play sneakers that only need plasma nades/laser(plasma)pistol/whatever.
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Really? It's that simple? If so why don't you play only with sneakers? And other teams like BBS, Amboy... they don't run with sneakers because sneakers cannot compete with classic pvp chars, comprende?
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I would like to see motion sensors more available.
start using gatling , you'll love sneaks or jhp ammunition you have the tools to deal with them , there are more quite very simple ways how to deal with them i don't mean positioning or anything like that , just eat SS on first of their grenades - extremely effective.
I should have not told anything it's funny to see you all rip each other to peaces , silent death mechanism is quite ridiculous in general i would disable it only because of that , not that it's very strong.
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Really? It's that simple? If so why don't you play only with sneakers? And other teams like BBS, Amboy... they don't run with sneakers because sneakers cannot compete with classic pvp chars, comprende?
Just for you to know, my first char after wipe was a sneak nader, because from CBT, i knew they gonna rule. Everyone plays with characters hes having fun with. I get it, youre feeling butthurt now, first, your smg sneaker was nerfed and now naders seem to be next.
Were not talking about 5 normal pvp chars vs 5 naders. But anytime, plasma nader can attempt to instakill some player and risks just some nades.
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Really this is just a prime example of what freedom truly brings to a game. Anarchy. A few lowlifes have their lulz stroked by using uber builds, while everyone else gets to pay for it. I love the fallout universe it was very well written and executed back in the day, and this perversion of it still has some qualities I like. However the fact that all the pvp lulz seeking troll people have hid behind the phrase "The Wasteland is Harsh." for so long as an excuse to get away with essentially making the game very near unplayable for any of the casual type of player, they're soo scared things might become Harsh for them so they call others 'crying'.
I know the Devs worked hard on this game, and they did it in their free time for no money. They are trying to piece together parts of so many different styles things are bound to go wrong, but truthfully the only thing they actually DID wrong was rely on the people to play to make reasonable decisions. If you give a kid a lighter with no rules, and nothing in his way, you know what's gonna happen!? You're gonna be buying a new carpet, or maybe even a whole house. The game itself as many good points, however there are some basic things that will FOREVER hold it back, and one of those is the freedom the children who play have.
So please remember though this session has turned out to be mostly a wash, it is far more the other people who plays fault, than the Devs. They're trying to make as many people happy as they can while keeping to the spirit of what they are trying to make, and sadly the majority of players is the lulz seeking power build trolls that we all know and (love) hate.
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Just for you to know, my first char after wipe was a sneak nader, because from CBT, i knew they gonna rule. Everyone plays with characters hes having fun with. I get it, youre feeling butthurt now, first, your smg sneaker was nerfed and now naders seem to be next.
Were not talking about 5 normal pvp chars vs 5 naders. But anytime, plasma nader can attempt to instakill some player and risks just some nades.
FYI: it's not butthurt, my sneaker got nerfed so I use him as a looter. No problem. I already mentioned that plasma grenades are bit overpowered, but I hear people whining and crying about the whole sneak class. These people would love to see sneakers only as non-combat scouting characters. That's something I can't abide. I still say that Silent Death is a good feature, which enriches the game experience. SD bursts were removed, but still some people are bitchin' about it. I don't really understand. You can't force sneakers to use expensive equipment. Why? Sneakers die like 5 or maybe 10 times more often than regular pvp chars.
For example I hate gatling laser. Someone could say that I should go and get some. I don't want to be travelling around themepark for hours. Alone I can't even kill the enclave. Do you see me setting up a new topic with "Nerf gatling lasers" title? No. Even though I've seen a gatling laser guy killing lots of pvp chars alone (1 vs. 10 for example). That's something I would call overpowered. Of course I don't like to be killed by a nade dealing 200+ dmg, but once they nerf grenades, they will nerf pistols and everything. We will move back in time, everyone will make a 3xbrd sg burster dealing hardly 100 dmg. I don't want this.
PS: I don't use grenade sneaker, pistols are better against other sneakers :)
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There's one thing i don't like in SD design the area witch counts as back is too wide.
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Also don't forget the fact that this post is about MORE than just the messed up SD sneaker. It's also not a matter of having SD sneaker/nader builds removed, so much as having them looked at. Heaven forbid something might attempt to be balanced.
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u r funny when talking about OP nades and about any good build, i got killed by sniper with only one bullet, is he op? i got killed with only one burst, are bursters op, every good build is op? i dont understand? and what is easy to get, what is hard to get? nades, easy, avenger, easy, snipers and 223 pistols, easy... for shiity builds everything is hard, when i start playing i though,ooo its so hard, now i think ohh, its easy, u just have to know what u do..
we had action in geco, and gues what i saw there: militia with 600 hp, is he op? we had to bring burster to kill him, not granadiers..
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After reading 8 threads of butthurt and bickering I want to say this...
Simple enough to stop grenades working with SD ... or indeed stop Plasmas being so common, which should happen anyway.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/71iqys.jpg)
This is the kind of the things that make people write these threads. Somebody discovers a nice easy way to kill all the cry babies who hate pkers and play only tanks and the first logical conculusion make everybody suffer. Plasma grenades are fine you can't craft them without blue prints and farming them is not all that easy. They are rare enough as it is! Its not that plasma grenades are common its the silent death mechanic. But you know the first time I got hit by one of these sneakers I knew this was going to be the next nerfed.
I play a non-sneak grenadier and why make non-sneak grenadiers life more miserable. This is why we make threads called piece of shit game because of decisions to make it harder and difficult for something a few group of players do. So a few people PK with sneak grenadiers and now we all have to suffer, my guess is oh lets remove plasma grenades from mercanaries and press gang encounters, or I know how about beef them up to 500 health... This is the type of stuff that does not make the game fun.
So yup, nef everything that can kill a BG/GL tank seems to be the way of this wipe. This game is not fun when the only thing people are going to use is big gunners and gatting lasers.
Lets see snipers suck balls, hardly do any knockouts or knock downs next to useless, laser snipers bypasses are blocked by shitty metal mask which is easy to craft and maintain...
So yup, lets just nerf nerf nerf everything into oblivion where this game turns into a big guns only for pvp.
Lets see big guns they get more brd damage, have the ability to take anti-crippling perks, bonehead, toughness... Tank builds are damn near impossible to kill without 3-4 people shooting at them once so there has to be some other methods to kill them so that is why people make plasma grenadiers.
Ok but here is my thought, just boost up man of steel add like 50% chance to fail with silent death taking man of steel or something. I mean don't nerf the build into oblivion but give some counter measures man of steel is shit perk anyways, at least make it useful making it the anti-silent death perk.
You don't like silent death sneakers? Take man of steel for a 50% chance to fail. Balance. It turns a shitty perk into something useful.
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swarm you dont get the point. you really think a bluesuit should be able to do 280 crit damage on a guy in ca with nades? thats just retarded also like triple said the area that is considerd back is way to wide it should only count if its straight on i mean sneakers attack from side and its still a crit.... the other problem is that they can sneak when npcs are around .. sent my mercs to attack a sneaker after he attacked me went around a building sneaked and got away. really i mean that makes my mercs useless there. there has to be some balance that makes sense like i been thinking some suit they have to wear that cost like 10k so they are not just bluesuit rambos and there worth killing then. atleast they willl have something to lose besides 2-3 nades..
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280... nah more like 200 tops wearing 20% detiorated combat armor. Trust me I've been hit by these things plenty of time but you know what it is no differnt than some guy with a gattling laser. We were getting hit by an army of 8 of them in gecko by section8 and best thing we did was put our backs to wall and my GL with mamkII and 286hp pretty much killed them all but I had like 20hp left and got popped by a sniper :P
Combat armor isn't anti-laser anti-plasma armor anyways.
I don't have a plasma grenade sneaker but I do not want to see them nerfed into oblivion or make farming them more difficult.
Best option remove SD from grenades, my idea make man of steel the counter measure to these. Or pump up tesla armor resistance to plasma. And yes back should be a straight view like eye shots. But don't make the grenades more difficult to farm is what I was mainly advocating and point I was making. Or just lower the critical damage to 100-150 and not 200+.
There are some of us who have grenadier builds that don't use silent death and it would really suck if making plasma grenades more rare or harder to farm just because some blue suits figured out an easy method to PK miners and random people.
Another issue I've noticed is that even with a 12 perception sniper, or is now 56 view no +2 perception with sharpshooter, they lowered the back view so you can still get hit far away. My sniper with 10perception and sharpshooter can't see big gunners 36 hexes away getting shot in the back so the high perception isn't that huge of a counter measure unless they are in front of you.
My impression is that SD was suppose to be a throwing knife perk and pistol perk, well and of course melee.
But I think the game needs to have more untraditional methods to kill the common tank and GL builds.
Ok I move on to next complaint (butthurt), in your face... 8 damage with an avenger is lovely yes. I do not see the 50% chance on this...
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Best option remove SD from grenades, my idea make man of steel the counter measure to these. Or pump up tesla armor resistance to plasma. And yes back should be a straight view like eye shots. But don't make the grenades more difficult to farm is what I was mainly advocating and point I was making. Or just lower the critical damage to 100-150 and not 200+.
Removing isn't a good idea, it reduces options. It was already sad that bursters lost their ability to do sd bursts, even less options. Would have been great to see p90 sd burster in this session.
Best solution would be to make SD give a damage bonus from behind. Perhaps 25% - 30% dmg buff would be reasonable compared to the tradeoff you make by taking sd. You prolly don't get first or second lifegiver, so damage output for hitpoints is balanced tradeoff.
If you get percentage damage buff, it's not as good for bad gear as it is for good gear. That's because (duh) good gear does more damage so it benefits more. After such dmg buff plasma gren sd strike would do about 120 dmg minus armor's resistances.
Guaranteed bypass wouldn't be too powerful either, it has the same logic as damage buff: good gear benefits most.
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as I said long time ago ,Devs have no idea how to balance things out, the whole perks, weapons, ammo, armors system is broken, if someone used common sense before creating this shoot in the back bullshit, it wouldnt have happened. The same can be said about hth bullshit and promised ac cap removal. Yeah I know, You have been told about it, it will be fixed soon (-> check wiki its something beetween 1 month and 1 year). The thing is game is unplayable and more and more people stop playing it. Its such a shame, I really liked this game 2 years ago since that time its going downhill ( since the whole crafting and trade system have been changed - Solar it must be ur doing ) and since that time i know more and more people abandoning this game, and when really hardcore players leave it must mean something. You people must understand that weapons and armors must be the most important ( there must be a reason behind wasting time while gathering and crafting the gear). When you look at the builds, blue suits doing 200 and more dmg, blue suits with mousers doing instakills, bluesuits hth trolls, bluesuits looters, bluesuit ac trolls and any other imba bluesuits are op thx to perks not the stuff, it has nothing to do with skill or standing in in front of the building etc. How standing in front of the building helps me a solo player do anything in Den or Modoc, while a no life sneaker troll like you camp in there for the whole day. Solar make up ur mind, You do a crafting game where u spend ur time either crafting or looting NPCs and where stuff matters or perk game where builds are the most important and stuff is cheap and easy to get.
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Removing isn't a good idea, it reduces options. It was already sad that bursters lost their ability to do sd bursts, even less options. Would have been great to see p90 sd burster in this session.
Best solution would be to make SD give a damage bonus from behind. Perhaps 25% - 30% dmg buff would be reasonable compared to the tradeoff you make by taking sd. You prolly don't get first or second lifegiver, so damage output for hitpoints is balanced tradeoff.
If you get percentage damage buff, it's not as good for bad gear as it is for good gear. That's because (duh) good gear does more damage so it benefits more. After such dmg buff plasma gren sd strike would do about 120 dmg minus armor's resistances.
Guaranteed bypass wouldn't be too powerful either, it has the same logic as damage buff: good gear benefits most.
Yes I agree, it would be sad to remove it entirely but SD bursters had to go 300 crit every shot was ridiculous.
But nerfing removing/lowering chance to find, making NPCs buffed beyond all belief is what is making threads like "piece of shit game" popping up.
I mean going to San Fran killing press gang and mercenaries is not easy with a low level character on top of the pro turn base players that camp around there. I have to admit those TB players who camp san fran are fucking good... I ran into 1 killed 3 of us solo becuase we suck at TB pvp.
Yes sure they are blue suits who come into town with 1-2 plasma grenades but I do not think a SD thrower can farm SF alone with that character. One is not going to survive long if his only character is a SD plasma nader. So its not like its an entirely cheap character to create when you think about the time spent farming and leveling it up. Throwing is not an easy character to level and plasma grenades are actually not that easy to farm without some kind of farmer alt.
as I said long time ago ,Devs have no idea how to balance things out, the whole perks, weapons, ammo, armors system is broken, if someone used common sense before creating this shoot in the back bullshit, it wouldnt have happened....
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I am a hardcore 2238 player and I haven't quit. This session isn't all that bad it is different it is difficult it is challenging. I have slowly adapted and some of the new perks are really fun to toy around with making differnt builds. The traditional BA x2 toughness psycho avenger pwns all build days are over.
I guess if you play nothing but PvE and getting PKed over and over by some sneaker with plasma grenades then sure I guess this game sucks. I can see if you play this game for crafting and farming all day solo it is really harsh.
For me at least I have a few players I trust to farm and share a base with to stock pile so I guess I have easier time because I don't play solo. But this game is harsh to the solo pve player.
I have the most fun doing PvP town control if its even called that any more... Strategizing and executing a plan is the fun part for me and trying outsmart and outgun the other team is what I find the most fun in this game. And that is why all these plasma sneakers pop-up because we are trying to out smart and out gun eachother with any method possible. And people well use these things to PK the random solo player but it happends.
I started first day on the wipe I got my caps built my base that dissapeared, got PK like crazy lost my crafting materials by pkers at mariposa, attempted to farm the hard NPCs and I haven't quit. The game takes a lot of patience if you have the mind set that you are going to die alot then it isn't so bad. If you are a player who gets pissed off when he dies, get your gear looted then yes you well rage quit fast.
This wipe is the most competitive I've seen, we are all in competition to get the resources to craft the best gear and to come out on top in PvP.
This isn't the mine all day make carpets of BA in your base game any more its a game of risks, a game of outsmarting other players. It is survival of the fittist more so than ever.
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You dont get the point, one can said that he doesnt like the changes the other once can say that he does, just lets check how many people keep playing it and how many used to play, and You will know if the updates where good or not. There is 182 players online and I bet that 20% of them are proxy. Game is too hard for newcomers ,huh even old people quit playing it. U will end up alone doing ur pvp with who ? Ah i know u vs Solar or Jovanka lol, or maybe You will keep fast relogging and fight against urself. GL
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You dont get the point, one can said that he doesnt like the changes the other once can say that he does, just lets check how many people keep playing it and how many used to play, and You will know if the updates where good or not. There is 182 players online and I bet that 20% of them are proxy. Game is too hard for newcomers ,huh even old people quit playing it. U will end up alone doing ur pvp with who ? Ah i know u vs Solar or Jovanka lol, or maybe You will keep fast relogging and fight against urself. GL
There is plenty of PvP going on, 3 way faction wars with bbs, hawks and allies, amboys and allies on a daily basis.
I've endured every type of bull shit in this game and I haven't quit playing because of it, getting trolled pk'd going to unsafe locations to mine and craft is part of the game. And it wouldn't be 2238 without theifs trolls and pkers.
We all started fresh this season, started level 1 and made our way up. Right now it is probably easier for new comers if there is any noob helper factions out there becuase everybody should have bases, cars, and can craft a good majority of good gear. We were all new at some point.
Trust me I had most death award starting at level 1 at begining of this session with no gear nothing and I didn't rage quit. It can be done it takes patience and meeting a few people you can trust.
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heh, dude if 18 people stay, You will keep saying that there is plenty pvp action and u have 3 battles 6v6v6 every day... im gonna say it again u dont get it ..
Swarm u keep playing b/c u are the no life sneaker troll im talking about. If they make you waste 10 hours just to get 2 plasma nades u will happily accept it and go for it, just b/c u have nothing else to do in ur life. ( and im not trolling this is the reality )
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heh, dude if 18 people stay, You will keep saying that there is plenty pvp action and u have 3 battles 6v6v6 every day... im gonna say it again u dont get it ..
Rage quiting is for the weak, its survival of the fittiest 300 people rage quitting means they werent fit to survive in the wasteland.
Cry babying about it on the forum isn't going to make the game perfect and adjust to the way you want it.
I think you missed my point I have gone through every bull shit that the average player rage quits over, and I haven't quit playing this game.
I for one don't want this game to die, and those rage quiters may not come back so the server population is low but not everybody is going to quit there is still some of us who are still having fun.
There is always going to something or someone that pisses somebody off playing this game. There well always be the group of players who think "you know what would be funny if I made this build to piss off other players..." Hence the plasma sneaker thrower.
There is always hello kitty to play if the game is too hard.
And FFS solar if you are reading this don't do another NPC buff remove weapon from encounters I hate these nerfs...
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Well, now, there is as much players, as it was 1-2months before wipe. So yep, changes were shit, cause i remember 300-400 characters online, this session - now they mostly gone, because game doesnt meet players requirements.
I dont want to point fingers, but there are people here, and u all have admit, will never, EVER, admit their mistakes. And anyone, who try to kindly point that broken gameplay, is called troll, or is warned. Seriously, all that unbelievable low-int ideas (such as SD crits) should be erased, without any excuses. But no, we have pages after pages, where... oh actually nevermind. I dont wish to finish, cause ill probably gonna be called troll, or warned.
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Maybe different approach than saying fuck you fuck this game fucking shit cock suckers ruined mah game wouldn't get you warned or banned?
There is no use cry babying about the game as a whole, I think trying to give suggestions is better than flat out insulting the people who take their time to make the game.
Look this wipe has a lot of different changes maybe not all were tested, some ideas look good on paper and sound like fun but then some ideas are extremely over powered or under powered.
In CBT 20vs20 swarm battles or small 6v6 battles were not tested and pretty much had unlimited caps and could just talk to npc to get to level 24.
I think the developers are willing to try some of our suggestions but it takes time to code and change and the massive server outage set back some things.
I have read many of these threads and solars reponses, and some of the things like making town control more fun and quest oriented sounds better than the current system. There is no more use in complaining about plasma grenade sneakers solar already has in his mind to nerf it so it well be nerfed guarenteed, but I suggest not to nerf the npcs to farm plasma grenades it is fine the way it is. But major things like advanced work benches, going to unsafe locations to craft, resource depletition isn't going to be removed or changed.
Trust me I rage alot playing this game, this game makes me lose my temper, its normal.
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And anyone, who try to kindly point that broken gameplay, is called troll, or is warned.
"Piece of shit game", yes apparently the founder of this thread only tries to kindly point that broken gameplay.
Seriously, all that unbelievable low-int ideas (such as SD crits) should be erased, without any excuses.
It should be erased because you say so. Excellent point.
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So much discussion about something not very important it's just a perk there's tons of them , may alter some builds efficiency someones leveled character get weaker so what ? Solar needs to " grow some balls " and make a decision , this obviously doesn't lead to anything ...
By the way i would be more careful calling anything implemented by developers " low-int " ideas , it's just rubbing shit in their face , it's not pretty.
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devs... mostly solar fix sd please. really you guys should have thought this threw making sneakers get insta crits like it would not be used for trolling... come on. make i weaker give it standard +25 percent damage from back and thats it not insta crit thats just op. tired of walking around and getting killed in ca by 200=280 crits from nades and its right beside my millita and mercs! they just stand there and go durrr we no see nothing becausse sneakers can sneaker right in front of us durrrr hurrrr.
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So sorry to burst your bubble, but Swarmy isn't a SD Troll, so sorry for your misinformation. To say this game is flawless is of course ridiculous, but, it still maintains a certain sick twisted charm. Is this game going into the direction of alienating its own base and deterring new players, yes, yes it is. Is this a game that can replace it's lost players that loose interest, no, no it isn't. Will this game suffer a slow wasting death into oblivion, most likely. With all those things said, that is the core of what this "niche" game is all about. I'm not happy with all the changes this session, but hey I have lots of freedom, you do to. If they make too many concessions they may very well loose all that is "special" about fonline 2238, that's not to say there isn't room for improvement, there is. I just don't like knee-jerk overcorrections (read nerfness). Do I think NCR army needs 286 hps? Prollly not. Do I think cripples needed to be nerfed into nothingness, prolly not. Hey, I'm not the developer, I loathe and hate the developers and GMs, but they have given us a pretty neat game :) Is this game accessible to solo new players, hell no! If your a new player considering fonline 2238 thinking to your self your a badass that loves "hard" games, just do yourself and us a favor and chop off your own dick before you post your "OMG this Game is too hard so it sucks thread!", you've been given due notice.
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It should be erased because you say so. Excellent point.
Well maybe i should rephrase myself. Its such a horrible feature, that shouldnt be ever implemented. But since, we have that crits, it should be removed. Just that. No more bitching about nerfing and other shit - simply, none needs that op crits. There is no logic in such feature. Just some LSD idea of insane crits, just because your character is transparent, and is standing back of victim;] First, devs removed original perks, because it gives 100% crits, but few wipes later, suddenly they gave us abnother perk, which gives 100% crit chance. And you dont even hase to be cap level. Pure trolling. Yeah, nice one... im waiting for more of these...
As someone wrote before: there were sneaker builds before, no need to buff them, by SD.
Why saying low-int idea is wrong? Ive heard thousand of times, about calling every regular player here in gazillions words. Why we have to treat devs better? I dont want to hurt anyone, but if someone is constantly moving around subject, and never admit mistakes, i really dont care of discussion. And yes, no matter how badly you triple want to suck someones balls, SD is still really bad feature, and you dont have to be Sherlock, to predict that it will bring only problems.
But from the other hand, you pointed me well - such words: "low-int" doesnt help to solve any problem, so sorry for guy who invented that feature. I still think that its complete crap, but admit that those words werent polite.
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So many walls of text about nothing.
Playerbase was alright until server was attacked. Having server offline for a week, people realized that they can do something more meaningful than playing FOnline. I think some chunky update might lure them back to game.
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TC fix will wake up many players , at least it should.
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tc, armors and tabaco farm ;]
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It all boils down to the basic problem this entire game has, no matter what the changes are, if someone can find a way to annoy, kill, troll, and lulz for cheap and easy, it WILL be found and used, and any time you talk about changing it they will cry soo hard about the so called 'cry babies' when in fact they're the ones crying over losing some easy street way of doing things.
This thread isn't just about the one broken feature of SD naders, it's about ALL the broken stuff, and stuff that should be relooked at. Twice usable armor off npcs, crafting that takes four times as long for the same piece of crap item you're gonna lose (probably to an SD nade noob), 10mm SMG being considered a top teir item along with it's better counterpart the HK p90c. The merchant system *which isn't finished yet but still an issue* TC, the fact that the game is LESS playable to new players and smaller groups (baring times where the server is WAY low pop). But hey if you guys wanna keep banging your heads against the wall over one topic I'm not gonna stop you, that's the FOnline way anyhow. Spend time make gear, level a few times, lose all to pk, repeat.
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whatever liek it was said the whole balance of thos game is fucked up sorry for these words , maybe server crash had something to do with it but i guess not . its too hard for loners and new players and all these trolling stuff u only see here . i have enjoy the last season and i dont care what stuff other people got as long i cant see it ^^ last season was a good season but this season i dont know ...
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All said below is dramatically true.OFC i don't want this game to become mainstream.I feel like i am way,way better than tons of others players that ragequitted,because i raged,yes,a lot,but never gave up-just like many others struggling to have some fun in this post wipe hellish wasteland.But the only,whole point of the question,in my opinion,apart from obvious polishes needed and largely discussed is:We desperately need to create a niche for novice players to learn their way,even if they are loners,and to learn how to organize,keep their interest intact without hurting them too much and without ruining the fact that real prosperity is for organized pros.That's the real challenge for the devs.Because even the most die hard fans of this game first of later is going to go away from the game,just a matter of time,and we need turnover,and increasing population.
So,why not making exp easier to get..?Suggested basic builds in the character creation screen..?Talking npcs who gives REAL suggestion around the game (where to farm proficiently,how to make some cash..?)...and other little helps that makes life easier for newcomers..imagination is our friend.Not too easy to unbalance,but still easy enough not to give up in half an hour...
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So,why not making exp easier to get..?Suggested basic builds in the character creation screen..?Talking npcs who gives REAL suggestion around the game (where to farm proficiently,how to make some cash..?)...and other little helps that makes life easier for newcomers..imagination is our friend.Not too easy to unbalance,but still easy enough not to give up in half an hour...
Novice players won't play this game due to ridiculous amounts of grind and due to the fact that to grind anything you need to know shit you can't learn without being in a faction with a full set of alts which you can't even exp due to being poor because you can't even grind for viable stuff. Solar (or was it someone else?) turned the economy into an effin' vicious circle for the newcomers and into a total pain in the ass for the oldschool players, no wonder none are pouring in and some are opting out.
As for the latter part - yeah, no. It seems it's better to annoy people with lowering the rewards for doing quests as awesome and educative as carrying boxes from point A to point B in a guarded city. What was that supposed to accomplish again? And I mean both the lower reward and the fact the quest actually exists.
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meanwhile 85 people online :D lets w8 for begging for donations, I know it sounds cruel but it really looks like Solar wants to finish off this project
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Novice players won't play this game due to ridiculous amounts of grind and due to the fact that to grind anything you need to know shit you can't learn without being in a faction with a full set of alts which you can't even exp due to being poor because you can't even grind for viable stuff. Solar (or was it someone else?) turned the economy into an effin' vicious circle for the newcomers and into a total pain in the ass for the oldschool players, no wonder none are pouring in and some are opting out.
I have to agree. Every time my alliance gets some new player who asks how to get some good stuff or advance economically in the game it's difficult to explain that to be really good fast, you have to work hours every day and make dozens of alts and abuse features.
Sure you can succeed in time with normal methods like mining, crafting, farming and shopping but if you do that alone with single char, it's going to take forever before you got enough gear to do competitive pvp.
I'd say abuses and exploits are too profitable compared to mundane methods. But people don't want to report them because normal ways are too slow or boring. But devs keep working, new features emerge and once those are done they can ask us what needs doing. Then it's time to reveal these exploits and abuses and suggest something compact and fun features to replace them. I simply refuse to haul spears to junktown as main source for caps.
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Yep. This and i would add: devs want to cut every feature, that makes players life easier, even if DOESNT BREAK GAMEPLAY for other players. Example? SMG removed from stron slavers. SMG is shit anyway, if you want to pwn players in pvp (and strons slavers had only jhp ammo!), but someone figured that this is too easy to get nice pve gun. Solar wants everybody to be nolife, and grind whole day to get shit, which isnt even worth anything for merchants around wasteland.
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This is a multiplayer game , players need to work together in order to achieve something , those who do have no problems everything piles up so quickly after few weeks of playing you have equipment for the rest of the season. There are those factions where each member has his own base where he keeps stuff , so no wonder why their always so slow in the beginning of wipe for example , then you can hear how hard is to obtain stuff from those members.
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So many walls of text about nothing.
Playerbase was alright until server was attacked. Having server offline for a week, people realized that they can do something more meaningful than playing FOnline. I think some chunky update might lure them back to game.
I will prefer event. What abou wanamingo infestation in Redding, or Enclave invasion in any city. Of course, GM should first check if there is any activity in that city or if that city is not mostly empty.
But i bet my left testicle that GM will not create any funny event to bring back players.. :/
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This is a multiplayer game , players need to work together in order to achieve something , those who do have no problems everything piles up so quickly after few weeks of playing you have equipment for the rest of the season. There are those factions where each member has his own base where he keeps stuff , so no wonder why their always so slow in the beginning of wipe for example , then you can hear how hard is to obtain stuff from those members.
Actually if you're good, you can do everything faster alone than in a group. I farm faster alone than with friends, do quests alone faster. Going to hunt with allies means you have to split loot and wait for them and whatever. Unless they are turbofarmers like you, they just slow you down.
Some features are built so that you need multiple players to participate, but that's avoidable with proxy. They aren't exactly built so that you need the help of other people because they are too hard, but so that you just need multiple people to participate in it. Example is the newest mutant killing quest in boneyard. Totally doable alone, if you can start the quest.
It's not that stuff is hard to get alone, but you need to exploit and powerplay ruthlessly to get it. Everything is accessible to loner if he just is ready to spend enormous ammounts of time in it and do what it takes.
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Devs are working diligently to "finish (off)" game lol
now if you pesky hard core players would just go away....
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Actually if you're good, you can do everything faster alone than in a group. I farm faster alone than with friends, do quests alone faster. Going to hunt with allies means you have to split loot and wait for them and whatever. Unless they are turbofarmers like you, they just slow you down.
Some features are built so that you need multiple players to participate, but that's avoidable with proxy. They aren't exactly built so that you need the help of other people because they are too hard, but so that you just need multiple people to participate in it. Example is the newest mutant killing quest in boneyard. Totally doable alone, if you can start the quest.
It's not that stuff is hard to get alone, but you need to exploit and powerplay ruthlessly to get it. Everything is accessible to loner if he just is ready to spend enormous ammounts of time in it and do what it takes.
Well the best way is to share a base with people you trust then you don't have to split loot and slow down. That is the way the game is suppose to be a few people get a base together farm and share their loot with eachother, but base rape paranioa kind is the draw back. Its more fun to play with people than alone.
But yes a good turn base build with lots of super stims is way to do it alone or gather some slaves or mercaneries would be one way to make it easier for the solo player. I think a starter guide for this session would help. But I think the main draw back is resource depletion kind of makes it difficult to start becuase crafting a gun isn't so easy.
You know I'm almost thinking of making a thread for suggestions for starting noob or something for this wipe. I haven't seen any type of threads other than bitching about the game is difficult for new comers but no good advice.
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Yep. This and i would add: devs want to cut every feature, that makes players life easier, even if DOESNT BREAK GAMEPLAY for other players. Example? SMG removed from stron slavers. SMG is shit anyway, if you want to pwn players in pvp (and strons slavers had only jhp ammo!), but someone figured that this is too easy to get nice pve gun. Solar wants everybody to be nolife, and grind whole day to get shit, which isnt even worth anything for merchants around wasteland.
Sad thruth.I don t give a fuck if major gang got zounds of mid tier gear:to nerf them is unfair that newbies (not noob,i mean normal players with a social life) suffers inaccessibility to major part of goods,even mid tier ones.
In the end,proxy armies got carpets of CA anyway.While normal player gets no fun.
People is so scared to lose their precious stuff that only do minor stuff pvp,or just abuse sneaking,is that fair..?I'm more than competitive in most of fights with a decent build,a leather armor and a wakizashi.In the same gear i would have been a walking dead in previous season.
So: No major stuff pvp,no hunting alone because it's too hard in real time and too boring in turn base,no hunting in party because of lack of interesting rewards,no TC because it s just chit chatting and killing random low tier guys,what's left buddies...?Oh yeah,RP.Let's wait for it to be nerfed.
I m afraid this will be the last season if things doesn t change quickly.And i am very sad about that.
But WORST,WORST of all,imho:For the first time,you can't do shit until you get lvl 24.NOTHING.So,X hours of grinding before having the right to have some fun..?Ohh My.
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Novice players won't play? So the point of the new session is to only make the game playable by people who've played it before. Damn I wish I had read that somewhere in the Dev's posts. Should this game be a hand held walk in the park? NO, but FFS there has got to be a limit. The only way a community survives is with some form of limit, it's Great that Avv can do soo much alone, but if that's the point of the game, then go play FO 1-2, Try the restoration pack for FO2. This is a multiplayer game, and if you basically can't interact with other players why make it a multiplayer game? I've been here for several wipes, I played for MONTHS before my first post ever hit these forums, I play this game and I attempt to test this game, the problem is soo many people benefit from the broken or poorly implemented parts of this game that they're really frightened by the thought of those things changing. I've played numerous games, some were Grind games, others were instant reward games, my least favorite are the Sit and Wait for a timer games. FOnline is a decent game on the outside, but once you get in yeah we're looking at a LOT wrong.
I have to agree that I don't fully understand the removal of 10mm SMG from low level stuff, I mean yeah it was a troll bursters dream, but it was also a very nice thing for lower level people to have. Not uber powerful, but nice enough that it was worth working for, now you can't get it from highwayman or slavers, and basically can't craft it either, at least before yeah it took better materials but you didn't have to go halfway across creation just to make it. I mean with the way gear in the game falls apart anyhow having half broken ones on npcs shouldn't be a bad thing, you can't even repair the shit back to 100% like last session. I know that the devs are working hard, but as I've said you CANNOT build a game with this much freedom when soo much of the gameplay relies on the interactions of players with other players, because if people can hide away from the consequences they turn into little children with a magnifying glass and an ant hill, no matter their age.
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I think people forget far too often; This is a game that is created by few people, with no budget and on their own time. In turn, we get to play for free and if you are a decent person and can afford it- you can also help them by donating a few dollars here and there.
Nothing is ever going to be perfect, because everyone has a different idea about what 'perfect' is. I think they've done a great job trying to appeal to everyone playing the game, and that is an incredibly difficult task. I've been testing games for the last 8 years, and have also been an avid gamer since I first stumbled across a PC probably 15+ years ago. Even with a full team of devs, testers, admins... trying to make everyone happy is an impossible task. Now try doing that in a 'hardcore' based game, and you are better off beating your head against a wall. I'm sure that's how the devs feel trying to appeal to people here. DarkFall would be a great example of that.
Even companies with a seemingly bottomless pit of resources cannot ever hope to please everyone. Take a game like Entropia, a real cash economy game, with real risk and reward. They have been trying to cater to people for the last 10 years, and in my opinion they have, but for some reason the forums are still filled with people bickering about what 'they' think the game should be like. Now if they listened to everyone, the game would be dead. The same goes for FOnline, if the devs were to listen to every gripe and complain, this game would be nothing.
After being back to FOnline the last few weeks, at first I was concerned about all the changes and jumped the gun thinking it was just all wrong. But after doing a few quests, reading the wiki extensively, and drudging through the forum, I realized it really isn't so bad. My experience thus far has been pretty good. There are a few ups and downs to the mechanics of the game, but that is to be expected.
My only complaint would be the amount of alts that are required to play, and that is only because the devs aren't limiting accounts. But there is a double edge to every sword in online gaming, because should they limit accounts it's easy enough to get around. The point is, no matter what they do to try and overcome exploits and bugs, there is always a way around it. Just by seeing a few posts about the old login timer, anyone could put 2 and 2 together. They tried to implement a system, and people found a way around it. The game isn't incredibly hard if you put your mind to it, and even as a solo player the obstacles have been few and far between. I made a crafter and a combat character, it took me all of a few hours to shovel shit and gather enough for my first few crafting skills. I even tried my hand blueprint farming and found 2 within a few hours. Now I was also leveling a character while doing this, so it wasn't as tedious. I'm sure as you venture to higher tiered items it's not as easy, but personally I'm glad it isn't. It definitely is not impossible to get somewhere without help. In fact, I found it incredibly easy after a couple hours.
If people just got the idea of "grind to the top before there is any fun" out of their heads, I'm sure more people would be much happier. You can't base your idea of fun off of what other people do. The most fun I have is working to get there, trying new things out, seeing what works best in certain situations. If people enjoy power grinding to 24 and going around raping with CA and the best guns out there, all the power to them, but it's not stopping my enjoyment of the game. There are pvp servers out there, it only took a few seconds on google to figure that out. The TLA server isn't half bad either if you are looking for something a little easier. There is still quite a bit in Russian, but overall I had a good experience playing there.
I can't comment on the TC or pvp aspect, so I'll leave it at that. Some people seem to enjoy ir and some don't judging from other threads. However from past experience, pleasing pvp'ers is one of the most daunting tasks in any game ever made. It's always being reworked, revamped, and rebalanced. The hope is for a happy medium which never comes. You have to adapt and overcome, or simply not participate if it doesn't appeal to you. Go dig up some old UO stuff and it will hit you pretty fast how difficult things can be.
tl;dr
It's a free game, that they are under no obligation to provide to anyone, but are because they enjoy doing it. I think they've done a damn good job so far, and I have high hopes for what they can accomplish in the future. I also believe they are trying their best to make an MMO version of FO that actually works. Nothing is perfect and never will be, such is life. This is no way directed to anyone who has previously posted, I randomly skimmed through the thread and am offering my opinion on how I see things.
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Dude most of the people here know how to play the game, the problem is we remember the times when we had 500-600 people online, and we Would like to have 800-1000 ( if more the grid system would have to be changed, or space between locations and grids made bigger )
The problem is with all this grind, mines and digging ore ( I will never understand why they implemented this one, We dont need crafting at all You hear me sadists ...?) buffed NPCs, U will never have more than 200 people playing this game, more than that old players got tired of all this bullshit and quit this grindfest and simulator of waiting ( I quit the game when they brough sneak back to game a year ago, since that time i only play from time to time and its enough to make me puke and delete the game), if a player like me who used to love this game, cannot stand the new updates and the same thing 99% new players say, then something must be wrong dont you think ? Make a test, get a friend, make him test this game, if somehow he will be able to install this game find out how fast hes gonna puke, delete the game and throw his pc out of a window , repeat the test, get another friend .... Great job Solar.
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I stopped reading when I saw 'crafting needs to be removed'. If you believe that is why this server is underpopulated, you are completely lost as to what satisfies gamers. I think more in-depth crafting is needed as a stimulant for more people to find an interest. You've obviously never seen the TLA Mk2 server, which is pretty much always more populated than this server...oh and the crafting is incredibly hard and in-depth. Not to mention the waiting times are on par with the wait times this server used to have. And it's no where near dead... mind boggling. More quests, more scenery in random encounters.
Crafting also isn't my first choice in any game, but I do enjoy anything that adds depth in a meaningful way. I remember playing this server a while ago when you could only gather so much junk/wood etc, and then have to wait over and over...so I can't really see what your complaint is. The crafting here is so incredibly simple, and not to mention you don't need to craft to get anything. Not only is it simple but gathering is hard? Christ, it took me maybe an hour to put together enough to make quite a few sets of armor and weapons. You can kill stuff, sell it to NPC's and get almost everything you need. Wow, what a concept. It appeals to BOTH sides of the field. Who would've thought. You can also join a faction that already has people who like to craft, and help them to help you.
So no, sir, I don't believe you know how to play the game. Being back after a week and I could put that logic together, something must be wrong.
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I just said that I dont get why they implemented it, its not why i stopped playing ... Why do people have to craft lets say cas?
Now u need a bp and stuff to cr8 an armor, why dont make quests that will let you get the stuff and armors You need.
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Maybe i was too rude before.I love fonline,even in this shitty session and i would never EVER leave it.Apart from the infinite discussions about feature we might,ALL of us,lost the point of this game.Dev's make it harder because last session everyone was bored of tons of stuff around.But,even with last session level of difficulty,if we make the the game accessible to more people,who cares if we have tons of stuff if we have 1000+ guys on the server and new things may happen everyday..?We would never get bored with limitless amount of people to kill-interact with.Let's forget about stuff.Let's think more about people.IMHO ofc.
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Rain, you are mixing two different things together. Server population has nothing to do with ammount of stuff we have in game. Proof? Last season everyone had millions of caps, lots of armors, weapons and other stuff, yet people were complaining all the time. Nowadays getting any caps is much harder than in previous session, trading is harder, logistics (transporting items and players) is more problematic (due to the lack of caps for a car) and so on.
Not everyone is able to accept the fact, that this game is played by various types of players. I met many players who love to craft and hoard stuff. People, who have never been interested in any player vs. player fight (that doesn't mean that they don't like encountering other players!). All players from this group I knew have already left the server. Why? Don't ask me, since I'm not a crafter it's hard to say what is wrong.
Another group are powergamers, they can spend hours doing a boring repetitive task which they don't find entertaining, however their motivation moves them forward. Once they have all the best stuff they can get, once a week they join some action, fight and after that they just launch another game.
These are only examples, how complicated and varied FOnline playerbase is. I think the most stable is the following one. Players who play to have a constant action. Players like me. Quality is not the main measure, quantity is. Lots of you were laughing at players not having the proper gear, coming only in bluesuit with a cheap equipment and called them "trolls". The truth is that stuff they had is already gone and of course there is no room for crafting or farming when there is an action going on. I don't say that all people should play this way, I only wanted to point out kinds of players playing this game. It's obvious, that this game has nothing to offer to some players and there will always be people who will enjoy it.
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ok, here is how i see this game split up
1. world map travel/encounters (PvE)
2. mining/crafting
3. fighting in cities and on encounters(PvP)
4. leveling/character building
5. items
6. chatting/rp
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world map travel is somewhat slow, but this isn't the issue. the issue here is that with 26% outdoorsman skill, there's TOO MANY ENCOUNTERS ON THE WORLD MAP!!!!
hell, i get sometimes 2-3 encounters in ONE SQUARE!!!!!!! ONE!
luckily i have a car that helps ALOT to move me from point A to point B
now onto the encounters. YOU CAN'T FIND ANYTHING USEFUL IN ENCOUNTERS. besides this, some NPC's are incredibly buffed for the shitty items they carry. before the wipe you could enter an NCR Army encounter vs mutants, you could get your hands on a flamer, hell even m60. there used to be BOS vs mutants encounters where you could get a minigun or rocket launcher if you were lucky. now it's insanely difficult and/or annoying getting some types of guns. hell, before the wipe there used to be VARIATION in the guns you could get from encounters. now only greasers and shitty pistols, because "LETS MAKE THIS GAME MORE DIFFICULT".
guys i'll let you in a piece of information. the changes that make the game more "difficult" make the game more TEDIOUS. this game's difficulty comes with the number of players, not the fact that you can't even get a bloody 10mm SMG in encounters now.
god forbid i encounter 2-3 mutants at time. oh no! i have to encounter ALL THE TIME 8-10 mutants, i need a faction to take them down.
2.
crafting this session IS A JOKE!! you know why? because hunting for blueprints is a joke. hell, i'd agree with the blueprint system if it weren't so incredibly TEDIOUS and BORING, requiring YET ANOTHER ALT to do this job. and hell, i'd agree with the blueprint system more if it would've been available only for somewhat rare items. or heck, it would be cool if you could buy blueprints from gun dealers. you want a crafter only for SMG's and 10mm rounds? no problem, you go to a gun dealer, buy a 10mm SMG blueprint for 500 caps or 1000 caps, whatever price matters less.
advanced workbench at military base (hell, ANY unguarded area it might be in) is a J O K E!
that elevator only allows one person to go in, so if you attack that place with 10 people trying to clear the area you can't because that shitty elevator only works with one character. :/
mining is yet another joke. no gathering cooldowns, forcing people to have MORE MINER ALTS with 200KG carryweight or guys that show up with brahmins to take all the resources.
3.
PvP is a joke. now with quick-relogging even more common and easier, it's a game of whoever has more alts on the freakin' world map.
battles nowadays are pure shit because sneakers are overpowered. (grenade sneakers mostly)
you attack someone everywhere, he brings his WM backups.
there should be either timeout to log, or penalty to combat skills as jovanka suggested.
i'd suggest that penalty to last 5 minutes.
4.
level cap increased to level 24 was a pretty good idea.
character building doesn't have the variation is was SUPPOSED to have with all these extra perks. hell, sneaker,unarmed+melee, and burster and that's it. snipers are fucking useless and they will be even MORE useless with AC cap removed. it's not like there's anti-crit perks making even finesse builds quite useless.
hell this session encouraged ALTING WAY TOO MUCH!! you need miner alt, barter alt, science alt (because most the times the mines are empty), lockpicker/traps alt (for footlockers and BP hunting), several PvP alts, scout alts, etc...
jinxed trait should be removed from this game IMO, it's just troll crap. modifying knockdown on heavy handed will make getting guns even more a pain in the ass. apparently guys who suggested lowering the knockdown rate haven't heard of the "in your face" perk.
5.
now to talk about items. hell, is it just me or BG and EW are incrediblky hard to find? hell, even certain small guns are now a pain in the arse to get. (10mm SMG, 14mm pistol, etc)
there's just no point in farming for miniguns and other hardcore shit because you'll just get raped by SD grenadier. just ain't worth it.
all the armor you find in encounters is made of cardboard, breaks down INCREDIBLY EASY.
hell there's so much crap to say, the bottom line is that if you wanna get more players make this game like it was before the wipe. before the wipe it was fairly balanced, right now it's a... joke.
and also STOP MAKING THIS GAME HARDER, because not everyone's got free 24 hours a day to hunt for BP's and do other useless and tedious shit.
6.
i'm not even gonna elaborate anything here since there's nothing to elaborate. nobody gives a crap about RP.
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someone close this post now please!
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someone close this post now please!
Then they will find another "place" to practise an art of hating.
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Then they will find another "place" to practise an art of hating.
Look at this. At first, its mostly complaining about actual issues... but when u have absolutely no feedback (or feedback like: "wasteland is harsh" "everything is intended, go get yourself outa here") you start rage really quick.
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because hunting for blueprints is a joke
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advanced workbench at military base (hell, ANY unguarded area it might be in) is a J O K E!
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mining is yet another joke
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PvP is a joke
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before the wipe it was fairly balanced, right now it's a... joke.
Sounds like funny as hell piece of shit, if you ask me. Jokes all over the place.
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you know that by making this post the only thing youre doing( besides whining like little girls) is giving a bad impression to all new players? stop complaining about everything and start marking the good features. ive never seen a game so well done, and i dont care if it has those crappy development bugs( heavy handed,plasma nades,etc,etc). cos IVE GOT THE CHANCE TO PLAY FALLOUT ONLINE WITH OTHER PLAYERS IN A REALLY COOL GAME, THAT HAS A LOT OF THINGS TO DO AND PEOPLE TO MEET, A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS OF PLAYING.
i never expected that tere would be an online version of this game, this is just amazing. so stop complaining about everything and instead of makin all those shitty post have some respect and ask ina good way or ina suggestion, make a poll or something and im sure the admins and devs will hear us all. but with this kind of posts youre jsut making it look like a piece of shit game.
besides ive read the replies and they re very off topic...
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What gets me is the dev's waste their time easing the pain and suffering of all the whiners who hate thieves by nerfing stealing/taking encounters away etc and they still haven't fixed broken perks.
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This sort of feedback is way more valuable than unwarranted praise. Yes, it could get pretty depressing/demotivating too, but then again what would you expect in return for neglecting common-sense complaints and handling the most popular aspects of the game in a way that upsets great many players despite being explicitly told numerous times that changing the game like that is going to upset those people and make more of them quit?
And no, it's not really entitlement - it's a sign of caring about a project that had a lot of potential and was indeed cool, but is turning to shit because of lots and lots of very, very misguided design choices. Because if we didn't care, we wouldn't be posting harsh things, we'd be too busy with not giving a damn instead.
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you know that by making this post the only thing youre doing( besides whining like little girls) is giving a bad impression to all new players? stop complaining about everything and start marking the good features. ive never seen a game so well done, and i dont care if it has those crappy development bugs( heavy handed,plasma nades,etc,etc). cos IVE GOT THE CHANCE TO PLAY FALLOUT ONLINE WITH OTHER PLAYERS IN A REALLY COOL GAME, THAT HAS A LOT OF THINGS TO DO AND PEOPLE TO MEET, A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS OF PLAYING.
i never expected that tere would be an online version of this game, this is just amazing. so stop complaining about everything and instead of makin all those shitty post have some respect and ask ina good way or ina suggestion, make a poll or something and im sure the admins and devs will hear us all. but with this kind of posts youre jsut making it look like a piece of shit game.
besides ive read the replies and they re very off topic...
And how long have u been playing for? 1 yr 1 wipe LOL u will sound just like us after another 2 yrs.
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And how long have u been playing for? 1 yr 1 wipe LOL u will sound just like us after another 2 yrs.
I don't think its a matter of how long a person played there is alot of changes to this game which can be hard to adjust to.
Its not as entirely bad as people make it out to be, I think the things that annoy any player new or old alike is the new troll builds such as heavy handed, you have to make good gear at places which are easily camped by pks as opposed to a nice safe base. And the town control is time consuming and boring until you get max inf.
This wipe isn't entirely THAT bad, but I have to admit they have added more annoying things and kept all the annoying features from last session like adding slaves/merc to militia etc.
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and kept all the annoying features from last session
There there. At least cooldowns are gone.
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This game isnt so good anymore , even the trolls in NCR are out on my nuka ,man come on sounds like nuka is champaign or something :D
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And how long have u been playing for? 1 yr 1 wipe LOL u will sound just like us after another 2 yrs.
been playing for 2 years bro ;).
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Is not that baaad, even for new players. They just need to move their brains...
I play alone for like 18 days. I already got outpost full of mercs, cars (got first 2 today:D) and some 80k caps. I started from 0, with no friends.
Just make tent > get 10k caps > buy building site near some mine > collect 1750 junks etc. > craft > sell > craft > sell...
First days are really boring, but after some time u will get alot of fun fighting with players and don't care about stuff much.
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Is not that baaad, even for new players. They just need to move their brains...
I play alone for like 18 days. I already got outpost full of mercs, cars (got first 2 today:D) and some 80k caps. I started from 0, with no friends.
Just make tent > get 10k caps > buy building site near some mine > collect 1750 junks etc. > craft > sell > craft > sell...
First days are really boring, but after some time u will get alot of fun fighting with players and don't care about stuff much.
BASE RAPER! you built that outpost using junk from my building site after I invited you to faction and you stole my 2 FCC.
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i build outpost 5 days ago dude and i raped ur base today :D
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I still don't get why u inviting random people, like me, and give them acces to ur base. You can blame me, but u aren't very smart :)
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I still don't get why u inviting random people, like me, and give them acces to ur base. You can blame me, but u aren't very smart :)
I invited you 5 days ago when you posted.
When i want to buy base in VC with my 2 friends and I pick the random name of faction, NPC says that he "never heard of us". How to solve this ?
Which was 5 days ago.
And I invited you because your new to game, you said yourself you've been playing 18 days. The whole point of the faction I'm building is to help new players.
And Everyone here is a random.
If you want to build a reputation then you must live with the consequences long term.
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Phoenix, please go whine somewhere else (or at least to another topic).
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I invited you 5 days ago when you posted. Which was 5 days ago.
And I invited you because your new to game, you said yourself you've been playing 18 days. The whole point of the faction I'm building is to help new players.
And Everyone here is a random.
If you want to build a reputation then you must live with the consequences long term.
Ive been playing fonline for long time, long time ago. I know shit after wipe/wipes (idk) thats why im asking alot. 18 days only in this season so im not new player.
Reputation? wtf are u talking about? You will never know my main characters names so ?
Even on the forum its easy to create new account.
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this serv is dieing because of stupid TC system...and bugged ghost encounters
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this serv is dieing because of stupid TC system...and bugged ghost encounters
It's more than just that. Some don't like a number of changes this wipe. Like weapons nerfed from encounters, npc hps being buffed and the difficulty in finding blueprints. It all adds up, people don't want to adapt and they quit. Things will probably change with every update and hopefully numbers will go up once things get more stabilized.
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With the Buff to Most NPC encounters, i hope this wil be reflected in the exp u get. Itd be weird to make the encs tougher and not give out more exp for the kill.
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Nah, you don't get anything more from mostly difficult encounters only penalizied. Case and point, Rangers, absurd high hps, armor that doesn't drop pretty low gear (h&k caws?, fn?, supa flamer yeah!). Risk doesn't correspond with reward. If your looking for fn's farm raiders. Oh and just try to find plasma grenades now? good luck, all you whiners won on that. Looking for 10 mil smgs? Hub patrol is your answer and if you can kill those solo, you really don't need the 10mm smg do you? This season is all about toilet camping and hth melee trolling, not exactly what everybody was hoping for.
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the only fucking bad thing that this game has are the crashes...i HATE when it crashes
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hth melee trolling
I understand that you mean unarmed trolling?
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I like the new changes, remaking the perks on mass was a great decision. Less pointless waiting crafting and enough ammo to actually play more than a few minutes at a time. As for things being unbalanced, sneak builds are paper thin once they attack. Everything has it's advantages and fights are almost always one sided regardless of the weapons used.
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Sneaks are not soo paper :) but sneak skill is still ghost type shit
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Paprers? When they can melt you with single grenade?
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This game neads engine fix i tink it would be win win for all if they tweek engine so people coud play like falout 2 turn based so if you want to fight press combat bution and it mesures your seqvence and sets your turn and if it is not your fight you can play real time so people dont get stuck when somone if fighting but if you in real time you cant attack other players
AND FIX THE SERVER it is ON OFF 888888888 times in day
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Paprers? When they can melt you with single grenade?
Considering you need 10 int and skilled to sneak properly while having decent stats means you sacrifice a lot of combat related perks, not to mention you basically have to be nude. Plasma grenades aren't any cheaper than RL snipers, if its such an issue wear tesla and laugh as their kitten fart canisters bounce off your chest. Snipers can see sneak chars at 23 hex with max stats on both sides and unless you are dealing with a single pker its pretty obvious which direction the enemy is coming from. Once they throw the nade they are an easy one shot kill. As with everything else in war it's all about numbers.
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Considering you need 10 int and skilled to sneak properly while having decent stats means you sacrifice a lot of combat related perks, not to mention you basically have to be nude.
None of this means anything because sneakers don't fight anyone face to face.
Plasma grenades aren't any cheaper than RL snipers, if its such an issue wear tesla and laugh as their kitten fart canisters bounce off your chest.
Sd plasma bypass crit still does the 200 dmg on tesla. In addition snipers wear armors which are expensive and like you said yourself, sneaks are nude. SD grenedier has to carry pretty much only his grenades. 3 is suitable ammount.
Snipers can see sneak chars at 23 hex with max stats on both sides
12PE vs 300 sneak is actually 18 hex.
and unless you are dealing with a single pker its pretty obvious which direction the enemy is coming from.
Is it? If you're bg you can't even see the sneak so it doesn't help to expect him to come from somewhere.
Once they throw the nade they are an easy one shot kill. As with everything else in war it's all about numbers.
Except that oneshot kill from their sd grenades hits you and you can't oneshot them back because you just died. Non-sd rambo grenadiers are easy to kill for sure and they are quite balanced too.
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killy for president now! you couldnt be more realist about everything haha! +999 to his posts :)
also i remember, the first days-week of the wipe we had like 450-500 players..check the state now :)
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Played for 3 years.
But now for me, the game I liked is now a whole new game. Too much changes...
And now I don't have the breath to learn all things again like before. And get worst when I read everywhere that game is boring and etc.
Now I'm just stoped and I'm waiting "rumors' giving good news that game is cool and etc.
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killy for president now! you couldnt be more realist about everything haha! +999 to his posts :)
also i remember, the first days-week of the wipe we had like 450-500 players..check the state now :)
well one of the admins, mods didnt like my posts about sadists etc and my acc has been restriced, now like in soviet russia they check my posts before others can see themm btw good to know that someone thinks in the same way, ^^
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Yes, this game is an absolute crock, never been so unplayable as now after wipe. And we still wasting time and hope in something better. Its time to stop playing and never more FOnline.
I just wonder if devs do something well then again it just destroys to the worse.
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if there will be no updates in 2 weeks, i am goin to quit this game...sorry but it devs dont give a shit so why i should.
lest post omg westland 2...that was last devs activity
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if there will be no updates in 2 weeks, i am goin to quit this game...sorry but it devs dont give a shit so why i should.
lest post omg westland 2...that was last devs activity
Who give's a shit about you? No one will miss you ;) .
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still u took ur time and wrote this post, out of all the people u do care man, get used to it
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This game isn't really all that hard I don't understand all the complaining.
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This game isn't really all that hard I don't understand all the complaining.
maybe if they complain less their playing will be much better
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This game isn't really all that hard I don't understand all the complaining.
A lot of people think it's Burger King, and they can have it their way. When they don't, there is complaining.
Of course some things need fixed, and there are some valid complaints. Some people have no patience, though.
There are things I dislike about this game, especially some of the new changes.
But there are many, many things I DO like about this game, even in the new changes.
If people can chill out for a bit, some of it will be fixed in time. We've already seen some major issues fixed since wipe, and I'm 100% positive that the current issues will be addressed as well.
It just won't be as soon as I'd like. But that's fine.
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This game isn't really all that hard I don't understand all the complaining.
It has no goal so it can't be hard or easy.
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Now some people from our faction have cases, when they get kick out from the game and cant join back, becoase server write that this characters is already in the game... I think this is last drop.
>:(
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im positive the game would be less of a piece of shit to players if the devs would let us know what in the fuck is going on with development once in a while.
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im positive the game would be less of a piece of shit to players if the devs would let us know what in the fuck is going on with development once in a while.
this has been suggested millions of times and devs still dont give us a heads up on whats going on.
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the thing is they have said before they dont post about what is going to be implemented and such because our player base likes to whine about and troll everything. i mean look at this forum, its the truth.
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When I last stopped playing fonline 6 months ago I had little hope that fonline would ever develop into anything because there was no information on things to come, the recent changes have shown that the devs know what they are doing. Games take years of tweaking to balance combat and the game is still a wip. The devs are right to ignore the majority of forum comments because players complain about every mechanic that doesn't benefit their current build and there will always be masochistic types that want the game to be as boring and painful to play as possible.
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Tell my WHY THE FUCK DO THEY REMOVE 10mm SMGS LIKE THEY ARE OP BUT KEEP GUASS PISTOLS IN THIS GAME.
And this stupid c4 bull shit this game sucks major ass.
Game isn't even about making pvp builds its all about making stupid shit troll builds and keeping guass pistols and removing 10mm smg there is no good fights any more.
This isn't 2238 any more its total shit SHIT TOTAL SHIT!
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Tell my WHY THE FUCK DO THEY REMOVE 10mm SMGS LIKE THEY ARE OP BUT KEEP GUASS PISTOLS IN THIS GAME.
I didn't know 10mm SMGs got removed.
You mean they aren't farmable anymore?
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I didn't know gauss pistol was farmable.
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I didn't know gauss pistol was farmable.
I posted a video about it, you can see location at the end of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdvn5boirTI
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Well, I knew about those and encountered one as well, but I thought they were very rare. They're special encounters after all.
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This game is far from being shit.
It simply lacks content. Instead of constantly changing core game mechanics with every wipe, i would aim for more content. Thats what keeps People playing in the end. I mean, what is there to do for groups who just enjoy coop-play with some buddies? After you have found all the BP you need there is only PvP. What about those who simply are not interested in that playingstyle?
Dont change the TC mechanics with every wipe. Listen to those who play TC, suit their needs and move on. Add more stuff like the ship quest. I know this is a lot of work.
But i guess if you focus on one certain field in the developement process you will be more sucessful in the future. Once you have pleased the majority of TC players for example, make some quests for groups or loners. After that, you can rework perks. And so on. Dont try do work on every corner of the game all at once by opening more and more construction sites.
Please dont take this as offence.
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This game is far from being shit.
It simply lacks content. Instead of constantly changing core game mechanics with every wipe, i would aim for more content. Thats what keeps People playing in the end. I mean, what is there to do for groups who just enjoy coop-play with some buddies? After you have found all the BP you need there is only PvP. What about those who simply are not interested in that playingstyle?
Dont change the TC mechanics with every wipe. Listen to those who play TC, suit their needs and move on. Add more stuff like the ship quest. I know this is a lot of work. But i guess if you focus on one certain field in the developement process you will be more sucessful in the future. Once you have pleased the majority of TC players for example, make some quests for groups or loners. After that, you can rework perks. And so on. Dont try do work on every corner of the game all at once.
Please dont take this as offence.
I see your point. I agree.
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Dont change the TC mechanics with every wipe. Listen to those who play TC, suit their needs and move on.
I couldn't have said it better.
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I didn't know 10mm SMGs got removed.
You mean they aren't farmable anymore?
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I didn't know gauss pistol was farmable.
They are farmable if you kill hub patrols but its idiotic that they remove this weapon from eaiser npcs but make it more difficult to get its not even a good weapon.
I think guass shouldn't be in the game what-so-ever its just retarded they like to change things and not make things OP but they have this over powered pistol that shoots 50 hexes.
They make stupid weapons like h&k claws lsw m60s difficult to farm put them on over powered tank npcs which you need at least 2-3 people to farm but they still have this stupid weapon in the game which you don't even need to kill npcs for.
I couldn't have said it better.
Well t-888, the tc system is shit yes, but we can still fight. Your c4 bombers and guass pistols made me mad today.
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I think guass shouldn't be in the game what-so-ever its just retarded they like to change things and not make things OP but they have this over powered pistol that shoots 50 hexes.
Not everyone can use gauss even if he has few of them. Farming ammo isnt that easy.
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Listen to those who play TC, suit their needs and move on.
But tc players have varying opinions what tc should be like. Some say it needs to be like hinkley, others want some actual controlling involved in it.
Then again weird features start to appear if devs listen to people who have no clue about the game. Good example is unarmed. Players who played bluesuit unarmed last session complained it wasn't good enough. So we get perks like in your face and heavy handed trait.
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HH will be nerfted. I can live with this TC system BUT :
-decrease inf cap to 50
-if gang took town all enemy influence level is reset to 0
-increase the speed of gaining influence
-no mercs in militia
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But tc players have varying opinions what tc should be like. Some say it needs to be like hinkley, others want some actual controlling involved in it.
Then again weird features start to appear if devs listen to people who have no clue about the game. Good example is unarmed. Players who played bluesuit unarmed last session complained it wasn't good enough. So we get perks like in your face and heavy handed trait.
Oh yes more expert advice on unarmed by the guy who never made an unarmed build ::)
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Oh yes more expert advice on unarmed by the guy who never made an unarmed build ::)
Toughness improved, Some critical perks (Bonus HtH damage+, HtH Criticals), Perk for more criticals through armor (Hit the Gaps), More HP, Better AC, Heavy Handed boost (For trolls)
Something like that. Unarmed is style to live.
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Played hth prewipe alot. Was able to smash pkrs without heavy handed shit or hunt raiders vs unity alone in rt. I have no idea why it was boosted.
Just to mention barehand bluesuit vs single BoS was piece of cake. (Dat was weird huh)
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If you hate Heavy Handed trait that much, why don't you suggest it to be a 180 Unarmed perk instead of trait?
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Because the result would be the same or even worse because you will be able to choose some other trait instead of heavy handed. Plus all heavy handed builds probably already have unarmed at 180%, because of Bonus Hth Attacks perk (-1AP to hit) and if u take rock in hand it takes you only 1AP to knock your opponent down. So you see, you would have to miss your opponent 4 times in a row to give him chance to run away, and you will probably not miss because of high unarmed skill. So I don't thinks its all that good for the game. I believe HH should at least be halved (50% knockdown chance with ST 10).
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Because the result would be the same or even worse because you will be able to choose some other trait instead of heavy handed. Plus all heavy handed builds probably already have unarmed at 180%, because of Bonus Hth Attacks perk (-1AP to hit) and if u take rock in hand it takes you only 1AP to knock your opponent down. So you see, you would have to miss your opponent 4 times in a row to give him chance to run away, and you will probably not miss because of high unarmed skill. So I don't thinks its all that good for the game. I believe HH should at least be halved (50% knockdown chance with ST 10).
The rock does not deal much damage to your opponent, so it is almost useless, except as a budget paperweight or tribal themed door-stop. It could be used to kill weak critters, but the player's Punch (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Unarmed) attack does more damage. However, it can be useful because of its 2 AP punch; when combined with Bonus HtH Attacks (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Bonus_HtH_Attacks), it can be very effective, especially with Living Anatomy (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Living_Anatomy). It is generally a childs weapon, a real man uses hunks of uranium ore (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Uranium_ore).
Haymaker
Requirements; Unarmed 100%, Agility (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Agility) 7,Strength (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Strength) 5, Level (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Level) 9,
Damage (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Damage) +7, Action Points (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Action_Points) 3, Critical chance (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Critical_Chance) +15%.
Rock
It's a rock. The Granite-Inc. model is an upgraded version.
Damage1 - 4, Single; AP: 4, Range: 15.
Single; AP: 2, Range: 1.
Damage type; Normal. Ammo; None. Ammo capacity 0. St. required; 1. Type; Single-handed. Weight; 453 grams. Base price; 0 caps
Uranium Ore
A chunk of Uranium Ore, unrefined.
Damage; 3 - 6. Single; AP: 4, Range: 10. Single; AP: 3, Range: 1.
Damage type; Normal. Ammo; None. Ammo capacity; 0. St. required; 5. Type; Single-handed. Weight; 2535 grams. Base price; 125 caps
Brass Knuckles
Hardened knuckle grip that is actually made out of steel. They protect your hand, and do more damage, in unarmed combat.
Damage; 5 - 12. Single; AP: 3, Range: 1.
Damage type; Normal. Ammo; None. Ammo capacity; 0. St. required; 1. Type; Single-handed. Weight; 453 grams. Base price; 50 caps
Spiked Knuckles
An improved version of the classic Brass Knuckles. The Spiked Knuckles do more damage, tearing into the flesh of your opponent in unarmed combat.
Damage; 8 - 20. Single; AP: 3, Range: 1.
Damage type; Normal. Ammo; None. Ammo capacity; 0. St. required; 1. Type; Single-handed.Weight; 453 grams. Base price; 240 caps
I always go with spiked knuckles, they only need a few metal parts to craft.
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98 players online, 50% dual logs and proxies looking for bps, piece of shit game
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98 players online, 50% dual logs and proxies looking for bps, piece of shit game
(http://i37.tinypic.com/opr610.jpg)
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my mistake :/
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Let this end as well.