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[Vandal]

actually its not that bad, good protection againt that is tesla armor and 400 is hard to find, so if u have 2 nades, u maybe kill somebody, but what then, trying to find other 2 nades, very hard, if u wanna u have to kill merceries near sf with 230+ hp, also thay will trow nades on u, its not that simple, otherwise if u plan to craft them, u first have to take demolish expert 2 its 4500 caps, and u have to go to bh VERY DANGEROUS PLACE, to take profesion, thay u'll need bp for nades,(that is already 3 alt to make, one sneaker trower, one crafter, and one lockpicker)then u have to mine uranium ,also only in bh, then to refine uranium ,also in bh, then go to advanced workbech, very, very hard job, bla,bla,bla..
people just crying when got killed, instand of thinking how to make better build, try maybe good sniper against those sneakers, if u r good pe u will see them, or try some  tank builds or stop play, but dont cry..

You are probably playing with troll build. And for the record plasma nades are so easy to get. I have about 500 of them and I am just buying them from all shops so trolls like you can't get them that easy. How the fu*k can a bluesuit with 2 plasma nades kill a guy with combat armor, psycho,2 x toughness, ~240hp, avenger? This is all top gear and very valuable and you are telling me that troll bluesuit with 2 plasma nades can kill him? ROFLMARIO

[De Sade]

Maybe those sneak grenadiers are now OP, but its just because of silent dead, i dont know why you call it trolling, throwing was the best skill for sneakers before and it is now too.
Maybe it needs to be nerfed or disable silent dead for plasma grenades, disabling it for whole throwing skill is bad idea.I think it can be good for knife thrower, you cant deal that much dmg with knifes and silent dead makes it little bit better...
On the other side finding plasma grenades isnt that easy how you wrote, you are just angry...
Armor decrease sneak skill, thats why they are in bluesuit, also they have low hp because its just not possible to make rly tough sneaker when you need a lot of sneak skill. your guy with minigun can kill sneaker in one or two shots...
Sneak just works this way, your only chance is to attack first and dont let enemy react.

[qga]

You are probably playing with troll build. And for the record plasma nades are so easy to get. I have about 500 of them and I am just buying them from all shops so trolls like you can't get them that easy. How the fu*k can a bluesuit with 2 plasma nades kill a guy with combat armor, psycho,2 x toughness, ~240hp, avenger? This is all top gear and very valuable and you are telling me that troll bluesuit with 2 plasma nades can kill him? ROFLMARIO

acctually, yes, i have very good build, and in my expirience, very rare u can kill guy with toughness x2, sory, it could happens, but when u trow bomb  u go out of sneak, and then i am dead, and i am not sure what u all guys talking about, like poor avenger buils,omg, everybody with avenger also kill everyone, thay just burst and enemy is dead, i dont see any different between trower sneak build and any other  good build, u just didnt expect thet u will die, so sory, but this game is to survive, please dont cry

[Ox-Skull]

Raiding towns like NCR and VC, You people speak like u hav an organisation greater than NCR to pull it off.

From reading posts the only things that are messed up are TC, not enough online players for this system to work.
Ores and mins should regenerate a little faster.
Maybe Deteriation should be lowered.
The fact most people are using slavaged stuff is pretty cool, ive met players in-game who agree. Can acutally be a scav now.
Those who say are fuck all quests...try talking to NPC's.
Rusted footlockers with BP in it, needing 300 LP and LP's is a joke IMHO. keyword "RUSTED" unless BOS crafted footlockers and randomly placed them in citys.

Silent Death, i assumed only ever applied to melee weapons. Hence the knife Vault boy is using in the image.

OX

[qga]

On the other side finding plasma grenades isnt that easy how you wrote, you are just angry...
Armor decrease sneak skill, thats why they are in bluesuit, also they have low hp because its just not possible to make rly tough sneaker when you need a lot of sneak skill. your guy with minigun can kill sneaker in one or two shots...
Sneak just works this way, your only chance is to attack first and dont let enemy react.

u r right dude, i just say not only way to win it to attack first, proper build and proper gear also can proteckt, and standing in fron of wall also protecto u , but that was ment to be to thay discoverd on their own, like playing the game and understand enemies and understand the game, but no, people are afraid and they crying a lot when thay loose , and i must say, as more people crying i will kill more! enjoy and find the way to protect ur self and make better builds and play better,sory

[Swarm]

You are probably playing with troll build. And for the record plasma nades are so easy to get. I have about 500 of them and I am just buying them from all shops so trolls like you can't get them that easy. How the fu*k can a bluesuit with 2 plasma nades kill a guy with combat armor, psycho,2 x toughness, ~240hp, avenger? This is all top gear and very valuable and you are telling me that troll bluesuit with 2 plasma nades can kill him? ROFLMARIO

pyscho and 2 x toughness only adds to NORMAL damage resist not plasma resist. The threshold from toughness only adds -3 damage from plasma lol...

You have to remember that these plasma grenades have to be thrown at the back, you can easily go agiasnt a wall with a 10-12 percption sniper and kill them if they try to attack. Trolls we be trolls, half the fun in this game is the ability to troll people you take that away it leaves out half the fun of survival, and the fun aspect of trolling yourself. I think you guys who complain about trolls need to try trolling yourself it can be very fun at times. It is not 2238 without trolling!

I play for PvP mostly, and the town control complaining is just beating a dead horse. And there is a good player base trading people like me do not feel like farming blue prints for hours I would rather farm caps and gear and trade that for blue prints. I for one have fun farming and PvP. The PvP yeah it sucks, big gunners get all the love but you know the game does get adjust alot, and that was my annoyance from being player #21 on my shitty starter character was the constant changing and removing and adding of stuff.

This game has potential for a good player base economy, trading is useless I don't even trade to shops, hours spent getting blue prints is worth while to a person who doesn't farm them. And a person who farms all day has gear and caps to trade for blue prints.

Raiding towns like NCR and VC, You people speak like u hav an organisation greater than NCR to pull it off.

I do not think you understand the motives of section8, they are not about town control or pvp they are about organized trolling and annoying other players. I have the admit some of the stuff they pull off makes me laugh even if its done to me XD.

[Mars Sultan]

I think it's a bad sign when someone makes a thread with "Piece of shit game" in the title and everyone just unanimously agrees with him.

[Swarm]

I think it's a bad sign when someone makes a thread with "Piece of shit game" in the title and everyone just unanimously agrees with him.

But yet here we are still playing this game

[Mars Sultan]

Haven't touched the game in like a week. Leveled yet another alt to 22, couldn't work up the motivation to grind out those last two levels, went off to play through Fallout 2 again. My completely unwarranted obsession with this game just doesn't spark like it used to nowadays.

I mean, Fallout 2 is wholly a single player game, but to my horror the game world actually provided some modicum of feedback to my actions and it gave me a... feeling. I can.. feel things now. R-re-reward? Rewarding? Is that the word? It's been so long. I even reflexively dumped charisma and luck from sort of muscle memory on character creation. Oh god, I need help.

Honestly, when playing a videa game I periodically do kind of a 'litmus test' for pointlessness to decide whether or not to soldier on - as all vidaeo games are ultimately pointless - but this game, man. This game starts at pointless, then shifts into reverse beyond more and more layers of meta-pointlessness until the very pointlessness of the game is, in itself, pointless. Hope this doesn't sound like I'm hating on the game, because yep. That'd be completely against the spirit of this thread, wouldn't it. 

[De Sade]

The fact most people are using slavaged stuff is pretty cool, ive met players in-game who agree. Can acutally be a scav now.

Yeah, its more entertaining then crafting.

Silent Death, i assumed only ever applied to melee weapons. Hence the knife Vault boy is using in the image.

doesnt matter what he is using in image...I wanna have more usefull builds for pvp in this game not just bigguner, sniper or grenadier.Silent dead makes pistols, throwing knifes, unarmed and grenades more usable, of course you cant do much with those characters even with silent dead against big guner or sniper but it is better then before...

[Marko]

...couldn't work up the motivation to grind out those last two levels, went off to play through Fallout 2 again.

Hey do you play the Restoration Project version? I highly recommend it and i won't ever play F2 the old way again after playing killapp's RP patch. You can actually rescue Sulik's sister and build an orphanage for the thieving kids in The Den - get them off the streets!

[Shangalar]

All these nice offtopics made this whole thread useless. Better close it !

[Trokanis]

Actually only a few people went wholly off topic in their post, the rest had some in their post, but remained mostly on topic.  I know that the people who benefit from the current system being so lax on pretty much any kind of trolling are afraid of change, but if this is ever going to become a Game and not just a test on how many times can you go to this place to get this, it may need to happen.  I can already hear the "Wasteland is Harsh" drums rolling up in tempo, but there are some of us who want to play this game, not just endure it.

[Solar]

In amoungst all the random moaning about non specfiic things, there were some actual points listed.

1) Punchers should not be able to knock people down 100% of the time. 50% maybe.
2) Crafters will quit if you don't ease up on crafting - too tough now - recipes are too expensive.
3) All footlockers should open if i have 300% Lockpick skill and lockpicks. ALL of them.
4) Gear deteriorates WAY too fast. Like way. Too. Fast.
5) When item is used to repair like item, used item should auto-science.

1) This will be changed and will be a maximum of 50% for Str 10 guys (if they don't use the unarmed weapons)
2) I'm unsure about this, there's no cumulative countdown, or gathering countdown ... the only thing I can think is that its the spawn rate. Is that so?
3) I'm no great fan of lockpicker alts, so just pumping up the skill shouldn't do it. But the lockpicking system doesnt make much sense at the moment.
4) Gear should have gone back to the exact same rate as before by now - was there never a decrease from the season starting rate? A bug was making it go 3 times as fast, the rate was never meant to have changed.
5) You already get the value added onto the original weapon, I don't think it needs to double reward it.

Seems weird, the changes should have made it really easy to craft stuff (and scavenge all you need) - and some people are increadibly wealthy, yet consistently people complain about it being too hard. Would be helpful if the feedback was somewhat better than the original (insulting) post.

Of course we havent been helped by the old server blowing up and stealing all the scripter time either.

[Tomowolf]

1) This will be changed and will be a maximum of 50% for Str 10 guys (if they don't use the unarmed weapons)

For melee weapons also? I mean if there will be any chance to kd also not only with sledge which got that perk but still need a good crit?(Heavy handed don't work in it, so using super sledge for even more than trolling pvp is useless, better do it with stick and stones).

2) I'm unsure about this, there's no cumulative countdown, or gathering countdown ... the only thing I can think is that its the spawn rate. Is that so?

Bring brahmin to mine, then leave it empty for 20 minutes, also If Iam not wrong the minerals and ore is respawning by 2 pieces only, so one can stand all day there and mine and put inside cow, still abusable, also about blueprints, yes they are expensive and only hardcore gamers sell them to casuals, but dey cannot aford 10k price for a shitty 14mm pizdol blueprint,(which is able to get from quest, but killing mutants Is hard for loner).

3) I'm no great fan of lockpicker alts, so just pumping up the skill shouldn't do it. But the lockpicking system doesnt make much sense at the moment.

Sure it doesn't have sense, so why there are those lockers?

4) Gear should have gone back to the exact same rate as before by now - was there never a decrease from the season starting rate? A bug was making it go 3 times as fast, the rate was never meant to have changed.

Guess making new weapons isn't now so hard, but this condition wore somehow faster than before for armors.