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[Marko]

I have 9 private bases and a car. I solo spears for caps. It takes weeks. I maxed a Lockpicker 300, a PvP fighter, a de-traps guy , and a doctor. These 4 chars are my blueprint hunting team. They find mostly crow bars and sometimes caps (1 cap per locker). It takes weeks. I have a CA BP, but my armorer has no idea where to get bulk HQ fibers, and he lost a GR courier case so he's hosed there.

So yeah...this game is awesome! I do love it. It is the hardest, most brutal game ever. I love that. And i play on Nightmare setting (white knight style) so nobody could complain more than i, and i have no complaints. If i ever do, i'll demand my money back.

However...lol...if i were to mention a few bad things...they'd include the following:
1) Punchers should not be able to knock people down 100% of the time. 50% maybe.
2) Crafters will quit if you don't ease up on crafting - too tough now - recipes are too expensive.
3) All footlockers should open if i have 300% Lockpick skill and lockpicks. ALL of them.
4) Gear deteriorates WAY too fast. Like way. Too. Fast.
5) When item is used to repair like item, used item should auto-science.

(Devs already working on TC system and vendors/bartering - we need to all be patient). (Or ask for money back).

REALLY GOOD THINGS!
Fast Re-Log! Woohoo! I love this! Thank you! I can get more done without irritating delays in between.
Mining/Gathering Resources! Excellent changes this season (no ding-dang timer) - good job.
Removed Professions Limit! YEHAW! Excellent change!
The whole blueprint idea is also great. When i find one, it's like the sky opens up, the sun comes out, Wagner music starts playing from the clouds and a booming voice says "Bet you wanted another crow bar!"
A New Faster Server/Service! And good strong communication about it was much appreciated. 
A Smooth Migration! Seriously, good job on that *whew*
Ability to buy additional bases with unassisted faction leader. This is huge.
Addition of Outdoorsman Camps, helmets, support perk system, recovery of original CA images, etc etc etc

My Most Urgent Comment
This game was made harder for fighters but MEGA-DIFFICULT for crafters, and all fighters depend on crafters even if they don't know it since crafters supply the game with larger quantities of the best gear. So if you get rid of fast-relog, good golly miss molly that would really just be about the end of finding BPs solo.

[avv]

Have to admit that once there is a blueprint in the locker, it's always a moment of small excitement because it can be something really valuable. Little randomness here and there can do wonders.

[A concerned wastelander]

Not everyone only people who have multiple PvP characters.
Basically there is no point to participate in PvP for a casual player with 1-2 characters.

Indeed. Being one of those I lost interest. No way I will play like this (with 5 backup pvp on world map).

Personal opinion:

Most mmos tend to reach a point where pvp tactics and efficiency reach its peak, from there, its all about applying strategies perfectly... at this point, you dont play, you just want to win...

[TKs-KaBoom]

Yeah, this session sucks donkey fluid, but what are you going to do?  There are some good ideas, some bad ideas and some HORRIBLE new 'features' (I won't regurgitate them again).  Maybe in time things will wash out, maybe not.

[Vandal]

However...lol...if i were to mention a few bad things...they'd include the following:
1) Punchers should not be able to knock people down 100% of the time. 50% maybe.
2) Crafters will quit if you don't ease up on crafting - too tough now - recipes are too expensive.
3) All footlockers should open if i have 300% Lockpick skill and lockpicks. ALL of them.
4) Gear deteriorates WAY too fast. Like way. Too. Fast.
5) When item is used to repair like item, used item should auto-science.

I totally agree. I would just add this:
6) F*cking troll builds with silent death and plasma nades should be f*cking removed. Seriously? Bluesuit with 2 plasma nades (400 caps) can easy kill fully geared guy with CA,drugs,avenger etc. (10,000+ caps) WHAT DA F*CK?!

[qga]

I totally agree. I would just add this:
6) F*cking troll builds with silent death and plasma nades should be f*cking removed. Seriously? Bluesuit with 2 plasma nades (400 caps) can easy kill fully geared guy with CA,drugs,avenger etc. (10,000+ caps) WHAT DA F*CK?!

actually its not that bad, good protection againt that is tesla armor and 400 is hard to find, so if u have 2 nades, u maybe kill somebody, but what then, trying to find other 2 nades, very hard, if u wanna u have to kill merceries near sf with 230+ hp, also thay will trow nades on u, its not that simple, otherwise if u plan to craft them, u first have to take demolish expert 2 its 4500 caps, and u have to go to bh VERY DANGEROUS PLACE, to take profesion, thay u'll need bp for nades,(that is already 3 alt to make, one sneaker trower, one crafter, and one lockpicker)then u have to mine uranium ,also only in bh, then to refine uranium ,also in bh, then go to advanced workbech, very, very hard job, bla,bla,bla..
people just crying when got killed, instand of thinking how to make better build, try maybe good sniper against those sneakers, if u r good pe u will see them, or try some  tank builds or stop play, but dont cry..

[falloutdude]

  nades are easy to get like you said killl sf mercs. take a dual bger (which all have) and pwn all sf mercs not hard and gets alot of nades.

[Wind_Drift]

nades are easy to get like you said killl sf mercs. take a dual bger (which all have) and pwn all sf mercs not hard and gets alot of nades.

Or you can craft 400-800 and use them for weeks... and I have no dual bger.

 

[Prometheus Pithras]

Ill quote myself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQkLBqc78aw

About the title post..what can i say...all social groups eventually get corrupted for theyr members actions and/or theyr leader`s secret ambitions/desitions, regardless if they are "good" or "evil". People need to think more and stop narrowing themselves with those ancient ideas about "right" and "wrong" they are just gameplay styles, Section 8 has some players which also like playing in small groups-tb and do lone huntings.I do even know players which do these things on theyr own, or with fewer people, not needing to "tc", there are some of us which love classical style "pk", we dont have any "obligation" in any way to "satisfy" or met nonmembers/players needs/likes/expectations, we play in our way, you play in your way , you could always ask for your space without having to sound like a religious fanatic or an angry kid that doesnt get what he wants...about the hate to player killers in general...  i dont know what you are expecting , playing a "wasteland" themed game and having all non hostile players-non hostile npcs, and immortality,what would it be then? go playing habbo hotel if you want an avatar-themed chat "game"...its a real shame that this game has gradually lost its original meaning, and i know some old players would agree with this aswell... i remember wipes ago when it was a real warzone,i as a newbie had to go through broken hills underound cave, because the surface was a constant chaos, i didnt cry, never felt a need to , i just adapted to the dangers, and actually enjoyed the difficulty, even making random local allies, just for the sake of survival,when there was nowhere to be safe, when few people cried over the forum, few people had to cry about getting killed, when you died and there was random respawns, dying in hub and respawning in klamath (the usual respawn place), when mutants were so rare and there wasnt any really mayor imbalance,i remember when miners had to escape from the mine, since they spotted the mutant leader´s scout...those were great times...when newbies protect themselves making local battle groups instead of crying in an internet forum expecting others to solve theyr problems ...most of you never played in those great eras, you didnt need to show off everything you do, you didnt need to have tier 3 gear to actually have fun, all in all its a shame most of you will never enjoy such a great experience...there was no need to troll behind a computer screen, like a momma´s boy, raging and insulting as if it would change anything in any way, but instead, just making the entire thing suck...

LOL... so I see you guys ran into section 8 Try fighting 8 players with those plasma sd builds

what can i say, most members got tired of uselessly trying to find armor blueprints, neccesary for non sneak combat builds, so we went with low budget assasins, it aint that bad tho, hand to hand with knockdowns is stupid, but well, a shame real assasins with melee (backstab or cutting throats) cant be really effective


Now ill quote zuhardu:

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Quote from: shkoda999 on October 14, 2011, 04:37:04 am
Why there are not enough players?

Stupid rules, to many whiners, lazy developers, uninterested game masters. Tons of discutions about RP when is not actually any RP in FOnline. No real faction quests, very few real quests for solo players, no real feeling that you can affect the game in any way. PVP doesn't exist anymore in wasteland. You can only do TC and to do that your only chance is to join a big faction, which is actually spoiling the wasteland feeling. If you TC you play a few times per day or once every few days, if you don't, you can craft all day items you will never use. Of course, you can go in Redding and act like a moron, roleplaying a redneck because for fonliners role playing is not about quests, rewards or oportunity to affect the game in different ways, is about staying near a brahmin den and talking with "howdy" 8 hours per day or voting a new mayor in a unguarded city that will stop playing after a week because he realises that is actually nothing to do.

2:

And they should all burn in hell for that. Game abussers!

You know, why don't the mighty devs and gm's just make the "guarded zones" into "no pvp zones". What is the purpose of reinforcements anyway? Is like having a man that didn't eat for a whole week and then give him an apple. After that, tell him not to eat it because is against the rules. Of course the guy eats it and then you tell him how wrong he was and that he is a scum. All that, when you could just not have given this guy his apple.

Section 8 just tried to have fun. If something can be done, we try it. Simple as fuck. We don't cheat and we don't use codes. We did exaclly what others did before us and what others will do after we will be gone. The problem of this game is that it has to many things that "are not allowed" but can be done very easilly. The bigger problem is that these rules are bended and followed to a point only if the dev/gm had a good night sleep or not. Sometimes you can stay in an 2 entrances location, sometimes you can't. Sometimes you can bomb people, sometimes you can't. Sometimes you can leave 40 mercs in Geko mine, sometimes you can't. Sometimes you can have mutants on auto fire, sometimes you can just have normal mercs whitch make the exaclly same thing like mutants (sorry for this, they haven't "fix" it yet). And the list could go on forever.

That's enough, I'm ragequiting! I'll go in Hinkley.

[Rage master]

....

too long and too boring

[Prometheus Pithras]

too long and too boring

i can say that but to the "progression" or changes which started at least 2-3 wipes ago regarding farming changes, troll-friend features (if you want to include caravan traps as example here, i always said to myself, its my fault for entering them, i can just avoid them but no, people had to keep entering so they invented a reason to cry and get it nerfed), i also still miss takeable ncr (even as the newbie i was in those times)
With reinforcements it feels like another disgusting mmo, if the game is supposed to be a wasteland why there should be a town with infinite guards? or quests which were entertaining before, (i did the klamath tanker quest in my first wipe, i did it again in this one, just to find out that the robots didnt drop a miserable minigun for my character so i started to laugh there...the way it was before allowed even low level players to be able to get some higher tier stuff by just questing, now they dont drop anything but you still got to waste ammo on them... does it have any sense at all?) i also remember that player number was a lot higher back then, there has to be a reason...

[Rage master]

Well i dont like guarded towns either, all tows should be pvp zone
With random guarded places for trade. Give this game back to players
Best economy is plrs economy. I dont see reason why we cant raid vc, ncr, hub, sf?

[JovankaB]

Best economy is plrs economy. I dont see reason why we cant raid vc, ncr, hub, sf?

You can.

[Trokanis]

You just won't get much except for whatever players have there at the time if you raid the guarded towns.  And really who cares about those players who just came to that town starting out, maybe just got their first gun after waiting 2 hours to get the materials at mines, really who cares?  The excuse to be posted beyond my post "The Wasteland is Harsh."  Shut the hell up already, this isn't the wasteland this is a game.  Challenge is a wonderful thing, Exploit with no risk is not.  What we have here is a failure to communicate.  The current features of the game have heavily benefited the pvp,troll,lulz apes, and since they comprise a fair amount of the remaining community, any thoughts about the system will be looked at with a bit of slant.  I think the biggest issue with the new changes is that somewhere along the way, the devs went from trying to limit alts to just throwing open the floodgates.  I think it's a little extreme to need soo many alts just to get one real character through a game.  I know people will say then join a group, well right now unless you're really lucky the chances to interact with people and truly find good people to join with is slim an none.  I've actually been Pk'd more this time around than last wipes, and that's saying something, and not a single person has responded to the old 'Peace' unwritten wasteland rule.  The HtH uber troll builds, and the amazing shoot you in the eyes after just loading into a zone on the far side while THEIR back is turned builds, will always find some way in, but right now there or a ton more.

[wladimiiir]

...all fighters depend on crafters even if they don't know it since crafters supply the game with larger quantities of the best gear...

This only requires that this MMORPG really becomes MMORPG. I mean, than you need 2 different people, one is full-time PvP and the other full-time crafter. Crafters have plenty of stuff to sell, but noone to sell it to, IMO.


As general, I think this season is more harsh, but that makes it much more enjoyable. I am mostly PvE and having fun even with my only character, I am able to kill even SF mercs alone with my non-ape build.

I like that caps are harder to get, but on the other hand I would like to see trading system working correctly, so I can exchange stuff I crafted for something I can craft and I need (but that can be also managed right now if you know where to sell what).