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[qga]

u r funny when talking about OP nades and  about any good build, i got killed by sniper with only one bullet, is he op? i got killed with only one burst, are  bursters op, every good build is op? i dont understand? and what is easy to get, what is hard to get? nades, easy, avenger, easy, snipers and 223 pistols, easy... for shiity builds everything is hard, when i start playing i though,ooo its so hard, now i think ohh, its easy, u just have to know what u do..
we had action in geco, and gues what i saw there: militia with  600 hp, is he op? we had to bring burster to kill him, not granadiers..

[Swarm]

After reading 8 threads of butthurt and bickering I want to say this...

Simple enough to stop grenades working with SD ... or indeed stop Plasmas being so common, which should happen anyway.

This is the kind of the things that make people write these threads. Somebody discovers a nice easy way to kill all the cry babies who hate pkers and play only tanks and the first logical conculusion make everybody suffer. Plasma grenades are fine you can't craft them without blue prints and farming them is not all that easy. They are rare enough as it is! Its not that plasma grenades are common its the silent death mechanic. But you know the first time I got hit by one of these sneakers I knew this was going to be the next nerfed.

I play a non-sneak grenadier and why make non-sneak grenadiers life more miserable. This is why we make threads called piece of shit game because of decisions to make it harder and difficult for something a few group of players do. So a few people PK with sneak grenadiers and now we all have to suffer, my guess is oh lets remove plasma grenades from mercanaries and press gang encounters, or I know how about beef them up to 500 health... This is the type of stuff that does not make the game fun.

So yup, nef everything that can kill a BG/GL tank seems to be the way of this wipe. This game is not fun when the only thing people are going to use is big gunners and gatting lasers.

Lets see snipers suck balls, hardly do any knockouts or knock downs next to useless, laser snipers bypasses are blocked by shitty metal mask which is easy to craft and maintain...

So yup, lets just nerf nerf nerf everything into oblivion where this game turns into a big guns only for pvp.

Lets see big guns they get more brd damage, have the ability to take anti-crippling perks, bonehead, toughness... Tank builds are damn near impossible to kill without 3-4 people shooting at them once so there has to be some other methods to kill them so that is why people make plasma grenadiers.


Ok but here is my thought, just boost up man of steel add like 50% chance to fail with silent death taking man of steel or something. I mean don't nerf the build into oblivion but give some counter measures man of steel is shit perk anyways, at least make it useful making it the anti-silent death perk.

You don't like silent death sneakers? Take man of steel for a 50% chance to fail. Balance. It turns a shitty perk into something useful.

[falloutdude]

swarm you dont get the point. you really think a bluesuit should be able to do 280 crit damage on a guy in ca with nades? thats just retarded also like triple said the area that is considerd back is way to wide it should only count if its straight on i mean sneakers attack from side and its still a crit.... the other problem is that they can sneak when  npcs are around .. sent my mercs to attack a sneaker after he attacked me went around a building sneaked and got away. really i mean that makes my mercs useless there. there has to be some balance that makes sense like i been thinking some suit they have to wear that cost like 10k so they are not just bluesuit rambos and there worth killing then. atleast they willl have something to lose besides 2-3 nades..

[Swarm]

280... nah more like 200 tops wearing 20% detiorated combat armor. Trust me I've been hit by these things plenty of time but you know what it is no differnt than some guy with a gattling laser. We were getting hit by an army of 8 of them in gecko by section8 and best thing we did was put our backs to wall and my GL with mamkII and 286hp pretty much killed them all but I had like 20hp left and got popped by a sniper

Combat armor isn't anti-laser anti-plasma armor anyways.

I don't have a plasma grenade sneaker but I do not want to see them nerfed into oblivion or make farming them more difficult.

Best option remove SD from grenades, my idea make man of steel the counter measure to these. Or pump up tesla armor resistance to plasma. And yes back should be a straight view like eye shots. But don't make the grenades more difficult to farm is what I was mainly advocating and point I was making. Or just lower the critical damage to 100-150 and not 200+.

There are some of us who have grenadier builds that don't use silent death and it would really suck if making plasma grenades more rare or harder to farm just because some blue suits figured out an easy method to PK miners and random people.

Another issue I've noticed is that even with a 12 perception sniper, or is now 56 view no +2 perception with sharpshooter, they lowered the back view so you can still get hit far away. My sniper with 10perception and sharpshooter can't see big gunners 36 hexes away getting shot in the back so the high perception isn't that huge of a counter measure unless they are in front of you.

My impression is that SD was suppose to be a throwing knife perk and pistol perk, well and of course melee.

But I think the game needs to have more untraditional methods to kill the common tank and GL builds.



Ok I move on to next complaint (butthurt), in your face... 8 damage with an avenger is lovely yes. I do not see the 50% chance on this...

[avv]

Best option remove SD from grenades, my idea make man of steel the counter measure to these. Or pump up tesla armor resistance to plasma. And yes back should be a straight view like eye shots. But don't make the grenades more difficult to farm is what I was mainly advocating and point I was making. Or just lower the critical damage to 100-150 and not 200+.

Removing isn't a good idea, it reduces options. It was already sad that bursters lost their ability to do sd bursts, even less options. Would have been great to see p90 sd burster in this session.

Best solution would be to make SD give a damage bonus from behind. Perhaps 25% - 30% dmg buff would be reasonable compared to the tradeoff you make by taking sd. You prolly don't get first or second lifegiver, so damage output for hitpoints is balanced tradeoff.

If you get percentage damage buff, it's not as good for bad gear as it is for good gear. That's because (duh) good gear does more damage so it benefits more. After such dmg buff plasma gren sd strike would do about 120 dmg minus armor's resistances.

Guaranteed bypass wouldn't be too powerful either, it has the same logic as damage buff: good gear benefits most.

[Killy]

as I said long time ago ,Devs have no idea how to balance things out, the whole perks, weapons, ammo, armors system is broken, if someone used common sense before creating this shoot in the back bullshit, it wouldnt have happened. The same can be said about hth bullshit and promised ac cap removal. Yeah I know, You have been told about it, it will be fixed soon (-> check wiki its something beetween 1 month and 1 year). The thing is game is unplayable and more and more people stop playing it. Its such a shame, I really liked this game 2 years ago since that time its going downhill ( since the whole crafting and trade system have been changed - Solar it must be ur doing ) and since that time i know more and more people abandoning  this game, and when really hardcore players leave it must mean something. You people must understand that weapons and armors must be the most important ( there must be a reason behind wasting time while gathering and crafting the gear). When you look at the builds, blue suits doing 200 and more dmg, blue suits with mousers doing  instakills, bluesuits hth trolls, bluesuits looters, bluesuit ac trolls and any other imba bluesuits are op thx to perks not the stuff, it has nothing to do with skill or standing in in front of the building etc. How standing in front of the building helps me a solo player do anything in Den or Modoc, while a no life sneaker troll like you camp in there for the whole day. Solar make up ur mind, You do a crafting game where u spend ur time either crafting or looting NPCs and where stuff matters or perk game where builds are the most important and stuff is cheap and easy to get.

[Swarm]

Removing isn't a good idea, it reduces options. It was already sad that bursters lost their ability to do sd bursts, even less options. Would have been great to see p90 sd burster in this session.

Best solution would be to make SD give a damage bonus from behind. Perhaps 25% - 30% dmg buff would be reasonable compared to the tradeoff you make by taking sd. You prolly don't get first or second lifegiver, so damage output for hitpoints is balanced tradeoff.

If you get percentage damage buff, it's not as good for bad gear as it is for good gear. That's because (duh) good gear does more damage so it benefits more. After such dmg buff plasma gren sd strike would do about 120 dmg minus armor's resistances.

Guaranteed bypass wouldn't be too powerful either, it has the same logic as damage buff: good gear benefits most.

Yes I agree, it would be sad to remove it entirely but SD bursters had to go 300 crit every shot was ridiculous.

But nerfing removing/lowering chance to find, making NPCs buffed beyond all belief is what is making threads like "piece of shit game" popping up.

I mean going to San Fran killing press gang and mercenaries is not easy with a low level character on top of the pro turn base players that camp around there. I have to admit those TB players who camp san fran are fucking good... I ran into 1 killed 3 of us solo becuase we suck at TB pvp.

Yes sure they are blue suits who come into town with 1-2 plasma grenades but I do not think a SD thrower can farm SF alone with that character. One is not going to survive long if his only character is a SD plasma nader. So its not like its an entirely cheap character to create when you think about the time spent farming and leveling it up. Throwing is not an easy character to level and plasma grenades are actually not that easy to farm without some kind of farmer alt.

as I said long time ago ,Devs have no idea how to balance things out, the whole perks, weapons, ammo, armors system is broken, if someone used common sense before creating this shoot in the back bullshit, it wouldnt have happened....
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I am a hardcore 2238 player and I haven't quit. This session isn't all that bad it is different it is difficult it is challenging. I have slowly adapted and some of the new perks are really fun to toy around with making differnt builds. The traditional BA x2 toughness psycho avenger pwns all build days are over.

I guess if you play nothing but PvE and getting PKed over and over by some sneaker with plasma grenades then sure I guess this game sucks. I can see if you play this game for crafting and farming all day solo it is really harsh.

For me at least I have a few players I trust to farm and share a base with to stock pile so I guess I have easier time because I don't play solo. But this game is harsh to the solo pve player.

I have the most fun doing PvP town control if its even called that any more... Strategizing and executing a plan is the fun part for me and trying outsmart and outgun the other team is what I find the most fun in this game. And that is why all these plasma sneakers pop-up because we are trying to out smart and out gun eachother with any method possible. And people well use these things to PK the random solo player but it happends.

I started first day on the wipe I got my caps built my base that dissapeared, got PK like crazy lost my crafting materials by pkers at mariposa, attempted to farm the hard NPCs and I haven't quit. The game takes a lot of patience if you have the mind set that you are going to die alot then it isn't so bad. If you are a player who gets pissed off when he dies, get your gear looted then yes you well rage quit fast.

This wipe is the most competitive I've seen, we are all in competition to get the resources to craft the best gear and to come out on top in PvP.

This isn't the mine all day make carpets of BA in your base game any more its a game of risks, a game of outsmarting other players. It is survival of the fittist more so than ever.

[Killy]

You dont get the point, one can said that he doesnt like the changes the other once can say that he does, just lets check how many people keep playing it and how many used to play, and You will know if the updates where good or not. There is 182 players online and I bet that 20% of them are proxy. Game is too hard for newcomers ,huh even old people quit playing it. U will end up alone doing ur pvp with who ? Ah i know u vs Solar or Jovanka lol, or maybe You will keep fast relogging and fight against urself. GL

[Swarm]

You dont get the point, one can said that he doesnt like the changes the other once can say that he does, just lets check how many people keep playing it and how many used to play, and You will know if the updates where good or not. There is 182 players online and I bet that 20% of them are proxy. Game is too hard for newcomers ,huh even old people quit playing it. U will end up alone doing ur pvp with who ? Ah i know u vs Solar or Jovanka lol, or maybe You will keep fast relogging and fight against urself. GL

There is plenty of PvP going on, 3 way faction wars with bbs, hawks and allies, amboys and allies on a daily basis.

I've endured every type of bull shit in this game and I haven't quit playing because of it, getting trolled pk'd going to unsafe locations to mine and craft is part of the game. And it wouldn't be 2238 without theifs trolls and pkers.

We all started fresh this season, started level 1 and made our way up. Right now it is probably easier for new comers if there is any noob helper factions out there becuase everybody should have bases, cars, and can craft a good majority of good gear. We were all new at some point.

Trust me I had most death award starting at level 1 at begining of this session with no gear nothing and I didn't rage quit. It can be done it takes patience and meeting a few people you can trust.

[Killy]

heh, dude if 18 people stay, You will keep saying that there is plenty pvp action and u have 3 battles 6v6v6 every day... im gonna say it again u dont get it ..

Swarm u keep playing b/c u are the no life sneaker troll im talking about. If they make you waste 10 hours just to get 2 plasma nades u will happily accept it and go for it, just b/c u have nothing else to do in ur life. ( and im not trolling this is the reality )

[Swarm]

heh, dude if 18 people stay, You will keep saying that there is plenty pvp action and u have 3 battles 6v6v6 every day... im gonna say it again u dont get it ..

Rage quiting is for the weak, its survival of the fittiest 300 people rage quitting means they werent fit to survive in the wasteland.

Cry babying about it on the forum isn't going to make the game perfect and adjust to the way you want it.

I think you missed my point I have gone through every bull shit that the average player rage quits over, and I haven't quit playing this game.

I for one don't want this game to die, and those rage quiters may not come back so the server population is low but not everybody is going to quit there is still some of us who are still having fun.

There is always going to something or someone that pisses somebody off playing this game. There well always be the group of players who think "you know what would be funny if I made this build to piss off other players..." Hence the plasma sneaker thrower.

There is always hello kitty to play if the game is too hard.

And FFS solar if you are reading this don't do another NPC buff remove weapon from encounters I hate these nerfs...

[Chrupek]

Well, now, there is as much players, as it was 1-2months before wipe. So yep, changes were shit, cause i remember 300-400 characters online, this session - now they mostly gone, because game doesnt meet players requirements.

I dont want to point fingers, but there are people here, and u all have admit, will never, EVER, admit their mistakes. And anyone, who try to kindly point that broken gameplay, is called troll, or is warned. Seriously, all that unbelievable low-int ideas (such as SD crits) should be erased, without any excuses. But no, we have pages after pages, where... oh actually nevermind. I dont wish to finish, cause ill probably gonna be called troll, or warned.

[Swarm]

Maybe different approach than saying fuck you fuck this game fucking shit cock suckers ruined mah game wouldn't get you warned or banned?

There is no use cry babying about the game as a whole, I think trying to give suggestions is better than flat out insulting the people who take their time to make the game.

Look this wipe has a lot of different changes maybe not all were tested, some ideas look good on paper and sound like fun but then some ideas are extremely over powered or under powered.

In CBT 20vs20 swarm battles or small 6v6 battles were not tested and pretty much had unlimited caps and could just talk to npc to get to level 24.

I think the developers are willing to try some of our suggestions but it takes time to code and change and the massive server outage set back some things.

I have read many of these threads and solars reponses, and some of the things like making town control more fun and quest oriented sounds better than the current system. There is no more use in complaining about plasma grenade sneakers solar already has in his mind to nerf it so it well be nerfed guarenteed, but I suggest not to nerf the npcs to farm plasma grenades it is fine the way it is. But major things like advanced work benches, going to unsafe locations to craft, resource depletition isn't going to be removed or changed.

Trust me I rage alot playing this game, this game makes me lose my temper, its normal.   

[Kelin]

And anyone, who try to kindly point that broken gameplay, is called troll, or is warned.

"Piece of shit game", yes apparently the founder of this thread only tries to kindly point that broken gameplay.

Seriously, all that unbelievable low-int ideas (such as SD crits) should be erased, without any excuses.

It should be erased because you say so. Excellent point.

[T-888]

So much discussion about something not very important it's just a perk there's tons of them , may alter some builds efficiency someones leveled character get weaker so what ? Solar needs to " grow some balls " and make a decision , this obviously doesn't lead to anything ...

By the way i would be more careful calling anything implemented by developers " low-int " ideas , it's just rubbing shit in their face , it's not pretty.