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To start off I made this thread to discuss pk and anti-pk and for now I well not discuss my opinion on it as for anybody that knows or has talked to me about the subject already knows my opinion on anti-pk and pk.
Player Killer, yes the player killer or known as PK. And anti-player killer or known as anti-pk. Probably the best 2 known groups in the game. People generally associate these two terms into people's play style.
The Pker, the guy who likes to kill random people for various reasons. Some reasons include bordem, because he wasn't tagged green, or because its funny to annoy people.
The Anti-PKer, hates getting killed by random people in encounters, at the mines or when entering an unguarded town. Generally doesn't shoot random players on sight and doesn't find any humor what so ever in killing other players.
But why has it come down to this classifying players into 2 categories. Is it that we are taught good and evil, law vs outlaw. Why is it in our human nature to think of things in terms of 2, does player killing really reflect one moral judgement into right and wrong? Is anti-pk truly right and pk evil and wrong? Why is that people generally think like this when it come to this game?
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Yes it is really that simple, translated to live world. However you don't have to feel shame for playing evil character in roleplaying game. The game have very few rules so there is no moral problem in killing players even just for fun.
What would be wrong if somebody was "PK" IRL. (NPCs are nearly viewed as sentient beings, so they are something beneath animals or whatever, even though they might be represented as humanoids or humans in game)
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It seems that being killed by another player for no discernible reason can be the most infuriating occurrence in the game. The delineation between the two groups probably evolved naturally due to Player Killing eliciting such a strong reaction from those who have "suffered" it.
When unfriendly NPC's or other critters attack you on sight it's easy to shrug it off, they have no choice in the matter. It's how the game was coded. However when another player attacks you, it's apparent that it was a conscious decision made by the person controlling their character. Some players can shrug it off, others can't. It feels personal to them, for understandable reasons. I wouldn't be upset at a tree limb if it fell on my head, but I would be fucking pissed if my wife hit me in the face with a baseball bat without provocation. There is obviously transference from real life into the game for some players.
I think where the mindset really differs between PK and APK is how the act is viewed. Raiders, Highwaymen, Floaters, and other critters are simply game obstacles to present the player with a challenge to overcome in an encounter. I tend to view PK's (myself included) as an extension of that role, whereas those of the APK mindset obviously don't see it that way. I've had discussions with adamantly APK players who have told me that they feel PK's are terrible people in real life as well, and their play style is only a reflection of that.
I don't feel that either group is wrong, it's just a different point of view. At the end of the day, it gives each of us purpose and drives gameplay forward.
I know I've painted with a fairly broad brush there, but I do understand that each player is different. We all have different motivations and ideas about the game, and no two players are the same. Some are very extreme one way or the other, while some are more middle of the road. In these conversations, it is usually those on the extreme ends of the spectrum that are made example of, so it's the easiest context to discuss it in. I'm not attempting to pigeonhole people firmly into anything.
That being said, I really can only speak for myself with any real validity. The above is all opinion based on observation, and in many cases is totally inaccurate.
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Pk is the true powergaming method. It's easier, safer and more profitable to shoot every unknown player. You get more loot and die less often.
Antipk is basically about putting your ideologies ahead of the gameplay benefit. It's harder but more rewarding in terms of enjoyment.
Just a reminder: Antipk groups have people inside them who have a mindset that would suit pk group better but because all their contacts are inside antipk gangs, he can't just leave the team. The others surely know this but because it's just a game, they won't kick him out if he's okay as a person and nice to hang out with. I'm sure pk groups have people too who would suit antipk team better but they have the same problem.
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I would just like to add, from my experience, that people who are labeled PK generally do it because they find it funny to annoy other people in the game. People in the PK spectrum are actually normal people in real lifes who have everyday jobs or go to school. People make more of out pkers than what they really are. Its a harsh world its survival, and PKers add that the survival theme.
I know I said I wouldn't post my opinion but I feel that I want to now. I think its all bull shit, I think its more about you group up with a faction and kill other faction members which is still PKing. I mean from my experience if I'm on alt that is known to anti-pk factions, and they know its me they well kill me because they know I am with an enemy faction, and usually works the other way around. I think anti-pk and pk is the same thing, they both kill players and I think the term PvP player is a better term.
The game is more so if you are not a friend in my faction or an ally of my faction I'm going to shoot you. In this case which is why I would recommend a solo player to find a faction as soon as possible and I recommend new players to join up with the noob helper factions and then decide when they are ready for PvP to pick a faction.
You know what my experience with PKers was when I first started this game, I started to make a list of everybody who wronged me, and I used to post in IRC phony bounties and not pay people because I thought it would be funny to have a bunch of people go after somebody. From this experience I met a guy on IRC who got me into PvP and all the people who PK me I ended up meeting them and being friends with them. After meeting them I ended up having a lot of fun playing with them and doing pvp action with them. But then shit happened but that's whole other story.
So for the most part the people who PK generally do it for LOlz or find it funny and get a good laugh. Its like a practical joker, the person who gets pranked its not funny to but the guy pulling the prank finds it hilarious.
Also I wanted to post this video for your viewing pleasure which reminds me of the argument of PK vs Anti-PK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aaubVlhNK4&feature=related
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Good example.
I'm APK+PK (Sometimes I don't kill players when I help them, but sometimes I can't just resist to kill bluesuits)
I don't care what stuff they got I just leave them be.
You can always find that stuff what mostly bluesuits have, but win is thing that matters on wasteland!
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I know I said I wouldn't post my opinion but I feel that I want to now. I think its all bull shit, I think its more about you group up with a faction and kill other faction members which is still PKing. I mean from my experience if I'm on alt that is known to anti-pk factions, and they know its me they well kill me because they know I am with an enemy faction, and usually works the other way around.
I know what you mean but there's a reason why your alt gets shot. It doesn't matter what your intentions are at the moment you meet those guys but what you have done previously. If you have done bad things from their opinion, you're their enemy and enemies must be shot.
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Playing both APK and PK, I know that both are needed. Its important to make a distinction between FREE PK and PK.
-FREE PK is killing players while being out of character (OOC), you know, players that go over corpses and say: You suck at this game, thanks for your stuff... We could call it PK-GRIEFING, as the perpetrator obtain is joy from dominating less experimented or *determined* players.
-PK only means you kill a *innocent* player. The game is made so that it can happen, this game is not only about PVE, I know I woudnt play this game if it was. Depending on the situation, PKing someone can be done with style and can even be fun for the victim!
-ANTI-PK means not shooting first unless you have a good roleplay reason to do so (i didnt like is face is no good reason). It also means that you will hunt down any PK you can find and handle.
-PASSIVE ANTI-PK means you dont hunt pkers, you dont attack anyone unless they attack you, most of the time you are not even armed! You are some kind of saint (and maybe a bit out of character, since its hard to believe such a person would survive in a world like fallout).
Its important to understand that two ANTI-PK factions can be at war with each other, roleplay speaking. ANTI-PKers of the server are far from being united right now (a good thing for balance).
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Its important to understand that two ANTI-PK factions can be at war with each other, roleplay speaking. ANTI-PKers of the server are far from being united right now (a good thing for balance).
Ehhhh..... I'm gonna leave that alone.
There is no right or wrong, really. I myself have trouble understanding that concept when I feel "wronged" but I have tried adamantly to weld that to my brain. It just is. Do what you want. People want to live with police state others want anarchy. Neither one is right or wrong, they are simply different, and that causes conflict between the two groups, so they duke it out and "win" however they can. The majority of humans like conflict, an obstacle to cross, a challenge, and generally when there isn't a challenge that fits or is beyond their ability, they MAKE challenges, they MAKE conflict, so that they may do so. Video games, these "Synthetic challenges" are a perfect example of this human drive for measuring their competency, that they make these huge intricate how i called "mazes" or so to see so.
That's all PK and Anti-Pk is. A synthetic conflict created by humans in order to have a goal/challenge to overcome, it just happened to divide people up so that they might fight each other for their cause, just like so many other instances in human history.
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There is no right or wrong, really.
There isn't but there's reputation and consequences. If one kills everyone he doesn't know, he will be a man with few friends but many enemies.
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I know what you mean but there's a reason why your alt gets shot. It doesn't matter what your intentions are at the moment you meet those guys but what you have done previously. If you have done bad things from their opinion, you're their enemy and enemies must be shot.
Not really the point I was making, maybe I should eleborate my point. What I was trying to say that if I go on an alt that lets say an enemy anti-pk faction knows about they well shoot it even if its a level 6 blue suit, which is how every faction in the game acts if you are in different faction that isn't ally all factions well shoot that character. And that's what the game is more about than simplistic thinking of good vs evil and associate anti-pk as good and pk as evil. The game is shade of grey there is no good and evil, its a game where groups of players fight each other and make alliances. I know there are people who play it for PvE and do not partake in PvP but anti-pk and pk is a PvP term.
Also in response to this quote, this is why I do not like anti-pk groups, who are you guys to say I'm not allowed to mine and enjoy the game because I shot a blue suit or pk somebody in an encounter, its a free game people are allowed to do so. I think its idiotic to try to start a group to punish people for their actions, which is why I did not want to sate my opinion on this because I generally do not like anti-pk factions for this reason, and this well probably turn into d into a faction flame war. I generally do not think its right to blacklist people because they kill other players in encounters or at mines.
But I think when new players start this game they take getting killed personally, in reality the PKer is probably just some guy who is bored looking for some PvP action.
Its the wasteland its harsh learn to defend yourself, this is fallout after all you have to accept that there well always be people who prey on the weak, when you are weak and low level you have to accept the fact that there are people out there who well kill you.
Generally when people think of anti-pk they think they are some sort of saviors who go out and hunt people who kill noobs and other players, but they are just another PvP faction who do town control, and group to do PvP. Once you see it from this view point its just another player vs player group nothing more.
There isn't but there's reputation and consequences. If one kills everyone he doesn't know, he will be a man with few friends but many enemies.
And walking around role playing "authority" and telling people to go do forced labor, and to make them role play firing squad sure wins people over.
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Generally when people think of anti-pk they think they are some sort of saviors who go out and hunt people who kill noobs and other players, but they are just another PvP faction who do town control, and group to do PvP. Once you see it from this view point its just another player vs player group nothing more.
Indeed. Being ANTI-PK doesnt mean your Jesus.
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That's all PK and Anti-Pk is. A synthetic conflict created by humans in order to have a goal/challenge to overcome, it just happened to divide people up so that they might fight each other for their cause, just like so many other instances in human history.
I have to disagree that it a synthetic conflict. I play this game as I play every game, as the good guy. For example I have never completed any fallout game as a 'bad/evil' person, and I consider my playstyle to represent the kind of person that I am.
When I first began playing, I wouldn't even shoot at non-aggressive npc's as I considered this a bad thing to do. However it became a needed procedure to attain items to keep up with the pvp that I later joined (for example only one npc has lsw's and they are non-aggressive). This is something I wish to change for the next season.
...However when another player attacks you, it's apparent that it was a conscious decision made by the person controlling their character...
...I tend to view PK's (myself included) as an extension of that role, whereas those of the APK mindset obviously don't see it that way. I've had discussions with adamantly APK players who have told me that they feel PK's are terrible people in real life as well, and their play style is only a reflection of that...
It would be nice if 'PKs' were just an extension of this role, however in my gaming experience, I have found it a rare sight. Just by itself, 'PKs' are good for the server. They present a challenge within the game that doesn't already exist, and provides the 'good' players with an 'evil' nemesis to attempt to destroy, and vice versa.
However, from what I have seen, the majority of 'PKs' are not like this. Instead I am hit with a barrage of insults and childlike behavior that makes the game unenjoyable for most, and transfers a stereotype onto the others.
The game have very few rules so there is no moral problem in killing players even just for fun.
I disagree. While you may not see a moral problem, others do. Many players would not shoot a new player who has been collecting junk/wood for the past few hours because they would feel guilty about doing so.
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Generally when people think of anti-pk they think they are some sort of saviors who go out and hunt people who kill noobs and other players, but they are just another PvP faction who do town control, and group to do PvP. Once you see it from this view point its just another player vs player group nothing more.
.....group, which some players like to see, beacuse they can feel safe for a while..... used to be....
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Also in response to this quote, this is why I do not like anti-pk groups, who are you guys to say I'm not allowed to mine and enjoy the game because I shot a blue suit or pk somebody in an encounter, its a free game people are allowed to do so. I think its idiotic to try to start a group to punish people for their actions, which is why I did not want to sate my opinion on this because I generally do not like anti-pk factions for this reason, and this well probably turn into d into a faction flame war. I generally do not think its right to blacklist people because they kill other players in encounters or at mines.
Ok... so it's ok if you kill random people you've never met before but it's not ok for someone to attackk you for that? I really don't see your logic.
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Fully agree with above. Gr1m what you have stated is very confusing. Also:
...I generally do not think its right to blacklist people because they kill other players in encounters or at mines...
How can you not think its right to blacklist people? If for example someone killed a friend of yours, of course you are going to blacklist them, and thus shoot them the next time you see each them.
In fact you did something similar to me. I entered Broken Hills in bluesuit one day and you shot me on sight, for "associating with tttla" (your words). That is blacklisting.
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Fully agree with above. Gr1m what you have stated is very confusing. Also:
How can you not think its right to blacklist people? If for example someone killed a friend of yours, of course you are going to blacklist them, and thus shoot them the next time you see each them.
In fact you did something similar to me. I entered Broken Hills in bluesuit one day and you shot me on sight, for "associating with tttla" (your words). That is blacklisting.
Now you know how I feel when I enter redding with the intentions of visiting and chatting with other players. So I do not feel bad what so ever, you and your faction do that to me and other players all the time in redding so its good that somebody from your group at least knows how it feels. Feels like shit don't it, so don't expect me to apologize. I mean really why should I let anybody from your faction roam around in my factions town and be nice when you call me outlaw scum, tell me to go mine ores for you and tell me to go up against the wall to be sprayed and the picture posted on your website? And you know what the stupid part of it all is you guys claim to be white knights of the wastelands and can do no wrong what a fucking joke man.
Then you say you like being the good guy in games when in fact you are no different than PK, because you kill other players sansack gear which is not a good thing in any way what so ever morally, so I prefer to just call it PvP nothing more and anti-pk is a crock of shit and the term should not even be used at all. There is no morality in PvP or being good or bad guy, its no different than gangsters shooting each other over drug truf. I mean isn't that what we do in this game shoot each other for who has control over towns? The morality behind this game is no different than gang bangers controlling turf.
And you know what I'm also in a faction that is about protecting the town making it safe for blue suits to mine and generally try to stop people pking each other but we get attacked all the time and get insulted and taunted all the time also and I generally don't cry about it. Because it is a tactic to taunt other players to lure them away from militia.
And you know whats even funnier and hypocritical, this all started because I shot a Samaritan guy who logged off in town and I thought it would be funny to shoot him because he was stupid enough to log off in an unguarded town, but yet you guys attack Samaritans all the time and you post on your website as an outlaw faction and kill them and take their town from all the time when Samaritans were active!
I have even gone to the extent of asking nicely if I can mine and chat in redding with other players, when its not PvP time and you guys are complete dicks so seriously I do not feel bad about this what-so-ever.
But still I'm not 5, you guys aren't my parents you aren't really the authority so who are guys to say that I need to be punished for my actions and deserve to be punished and seriously fuck your stupid wall of justice shit. You know what my honest to god opinion is of the wall of justice, being deserved to be punished for pking, kiss my ass is what I think honestly.
And you prove my point that the game is about friends and factions, everybody is Anti-PK in that aspect, everybody is like that in this game you mess with one bean you mess with the whole burrito. And that also proves my point that anti-pk factions aren't out to kill pkers who kill noobs or people who are not associated with any factions, you guys are just out there to town control and fight other factions nothing more, so I think the white night I'm god divine because I'm anti-pk is complete utter bull shit.
Well actually anti-pk blacklisting isn't so bad in 2238, I was playing life after mk2 and seen and heard stories what anti-pk is like on tlamk2 server and reqiuem which is a lot worse because they have radar and can find people in encounters a lot easier which I'm sure you guys would love to do in this game.
But you know what, this is exactly what I did not want to post and just wanted to keep this a none faction conflict discussion but you had to bring that up.
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Yeah... see, it's funny when new players whine and moan.
When veteran players do it it's just pathetic.
Seriously. You should know better.
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Ok... so it's ok if you kill random people you've never met before but it's not ok for someone to attackk you for that? I really don't see your logic.
I think he is saying it's stupid to kill people just because they killed/kill other people. It's not about the action in this case, but the reason for the action that really steams him up, and I have to agree.
But whatever. People will do as they please if they want/can :).
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Now you know how I feel when I enter redding with the intentions of visiting and chatting with other players... ra de ra ...
I'm not sure where all this came from (or then again im not suprised...), but either way you missed my point completely.
You stated that you don't think blacklisting is right, and that people shouldn't do it. I am stating that blacklisting is a natural response to anything someone does, whether in game or not. Just the simple act of knowing someone kills on sight and that if encountered should be fired upon, signifies blacklisting.
All I was trying to do was dispute your point, I really couldn't care less that you killed me in 'your' town, and everything you just said had nothing to do with anything that I stated.
...so don't expect me to apologize...
Actually that example I gave, you did later apologize for. No take-backs.
The point still stands however, that you did infact blacklist me.
But you know what, this is exactly what I did not want to post and just wanted to keep this a none faction conflict discussion but you had to bring that up.
The problem is with this topic, faction conflicts are a part of it, and if anything has stemmed from faction conflicts, and thus it is difficult in talking about one without the other.
..Though it does seem as if you were the first to bring faction conflicts into the conversation..
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I think he is saying it's stupid to kill people just because they killed/kill other people. It's not about the action in this case, but the reason for the action that really steams him up, and I have to agree.
But whatever. People will do as they please if they want/can :).
I know that's what he meant. And that's what I find ridiculous. Why is it stupid to kill for a reason but it's ok to kill for no reason? It seems to me that there is a segment of PK's who love to yell "WASTELAND IS HARSH" when someone complains about being killed as a bluesuit but then bitch & moan whenever there's consequences for their actions.
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I think he is saying it's stupid to kill people just because they killed/kill other people. It's not about the action in this case, but the reason for the action that really steams him up, and I have to agree.
But whatever. People will do as they please if they want/can :).
That is my point exactly.
But you know at least the anti-pk blacklisting isn't as bad as the other fonline game, in this game you well get shot by anti-pk factions if they hold a town or if you enter the town while they are there. Or if you are unlikely running into them in an encounter or they enter yours. In games like requiem and life aftermk2 they can find you in any encounter you are in and kill you and make your gaming experience a living hell, and whats even worse PKers have the same ability so its x10 worse so just be glad that anti-pk isn't that bad in 2238.
I know that's what he meant. And that's what I find ridiculous. Why is it stupid to kill for a reason but it's ok to kill for no reason? It seems to me that there is a segment of PK's who love to yell "WASTELAND IS HARSH" when someone complains about being killed as a bluesuit but then bitch & moan whenever there's consequences for their actions.
Because its a game with the freedom to do so and the death animations are funny. Its not so much not accepting the consequences, sure there is consequences to everything in life, its hypocritical and the idea of some person behind a computer who probably doesn't even hold an authoritative position in real life trying to say they are the authority and I am here to make you pay for your consequences is just plain stupid. I mean the guys who do this stuff go around and shoot people all day long for pvp action and gear but its righteous because they role play authority or because they are role playing the "good guys".
I'm helpful to people in this game I try to answer people questions when they are new, I generally don't shoot random people in broken hills and make it a safe place to go to for crafters. But to say that they should be the authority and that I must suffer the consequences for shooting somebody who they shoot also is righteous? Its hypocritical, they are allowed to shoot other people and take their towns, but when I do it I must pay the consequences its hypocritical.
And as for people who kill noobs, the new guy always gets the most shit, private in the military gets treated like shit, you are the new guy at work they make you do the most work just how the world can be some times, in other instances killing noobs is more so bullying, some leader of the pack says lets go kill some noobs and people follow because they don't want to be bullied themselves for not joining in.
I don't really kill random people for no reason I do not know why you guys tend to think that of me, I mostly play for pvp, and I prefer to fight other people who are fully leveled. And you know, when you are in an area and you are ready to fight and some guy with a name you don't recognize comes in it is assumed it is proxy scout and sometimes it happens to be a random guy who isn't a proxy scout.
And you know what I'm part of a faction that is against killing random people unless it is a known enemy and help keep one of the mining towns safe how about that? But other factions who call themselves anti-pk come in ransack the place kill us kill the random people who enter and I guess that's justified as justice and suffering the consequences of being in another faction that is not there's. But you know what I am not crying about it, its how this game is its how its suppose to be and its fun to engage in epic battles, but anti-pk and being good guys should not be a term used for these type of players. It should be PvP faction nothing more nothing less no stupid black demon pk and white knight anti-pk thinking just PvP or town control faction.
And you know when I first played this game people would enter my encounters and I would try to talk them be nice try to meet some people make a friend and they end up shooting me, so now I just take the precaution of just shooting them when they enter my encounter when I am leveling a new character.
I am not saying its morally right to kill random people, I just think anti-pk is the stupidest term in the game as associating it as being good a white night, or being wasteland messiahs (that would be a cool faction name). I mean grow up we are not playing cops and robbers on the playground, we are playing where we shoot each other with characters we create, and I think every anti-pk faction or a pk faction should just be called a pvp faction nothing more, there is no morality behind any of it, and people need to stop thinking in terms of black and white.
If somebody has fun killing people then saying yo momma after they kill your level 1 character then so be it they have the freedom to so, sure it can make you mad, its not a very nice thing to do but the game has that option to.
I'm just sick of the term anti-pk its stupid term and the people who claim themselves to be anti-pk as doing no wrong we are the good guys, we are your saviors is just stupid thinking I'm sick of it and needs to stop being used.
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To paraphrase Morpheus: "I am trying to Free Their Minds".
Get them to wake up from the Wasteland (Matrix).
The pills just look like dynamite or plasma grenades.
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Its the wasteland its harsh learn to defend yourself, this is fallout after all you have to accept that there well always be people who prey on the weak, when you are weak and low level you have to accept the fact that there are people out there who well kill you.
But is it also so hard to accept that your actions have consequences? That if you do bad things to someone, him or someone else will do them to you. Nasty things happen to nasty people.
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... doesn't even hold an authoritative position in real life trying to say they are the authority and I am here to make you pay for your consequences is just plain stupid...
Firstly, holding an 'authoritive' position in real life has no bearing within a game. Authority is created dependant on the situation.
Second, how can you not understand that your actions have consequences, and that you think these consequences are 'stupid'. What planet were you born on? As Avv stated above, nasty things happen to nasty people.
I am not saying its morally right to kill random people..
This was assumed. I highly doubt anyone here thinks that it is morally right to kill random people.
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But is it also so hard to accept that your actions have consequences? That if you do bad things to someone, him or someone else will do them to you. Nasty things happen to nasty people.
Sorry I do not believe that making a decision that is morally sound brings magic miracles your way.
Its funny you bring that up when I nice to people, and when I started I wasn't out to PK people, I was nice try not to kill people in encounters I didn't steal their cars if I ran into them, I made a theif character to steal from NPC's and not players. And you know what my "karma" brought me if that is what your refering to, getting PKed none stopped, my car stolen by a pker who entered my encounter at the most random location on the map which nobody would really be around.,I would get town sprayed constantly by suicide sprayers, my cars would get stuck in encounters which were difficult to get out, and I got tent followed by a jackass who thought it was funny to kill me with unarmed when I wasn't paying attention, but the tent was empty he did not get anything. When I was mean to people, kill them for no apparent reason, did some suicide sprays myself and use my thief to steal their stuff good things came my way like finding gauss pistols and special encounters, I got PK'd less, I got in and out of mines with no problems without bumping into random PKers.
You know to tell you guys the truth this game pisses me the fuck off, pking somebody is good stress reliever knowing that you made the game that much more frustrating for somebody is satisfying if you ask me after something pisses or somebody pisses you off in this game.
When I am in good mood I tend not to do random PK.
And I'm sure you guys find this all funny, and going to try to find holes in my logic and try to convince others I am wrong and stupid, or call me a noob but you know what at least I got to vent because if you play this game long enough you well get angry and bitter.
So really all you noobs out there who cry about PK or something frustrating I don't give a flying fuck because I have had every frustrating happen to me possible and had to put up with a stupid shit community, and trying to be good and nice in this game got me nowhere.
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Sorry I do not believe that making a decision that is morally sound brings magic miracles your way.
But players hunting down people they think are nasty aren't magic. They exist. If I see someone I don't know in Gasstation preview, I won't jump on him. But if he's a known playerkiller I might. It's common practice in antipk teams to ask if they know someone before he's jumped on or shot.
I don't mind pks, they bring action in this game. But I don't like it when pks complain when they get what they deserve.
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I don't mind pks, they bring action in this game. But I don't like it when pks complain when they get what they deserve.
This is where I should call you names for being a total dick.
Pks are "Bad" or "EVILLZ" sure, they'll call you names and go shit on your corpse like a child, but having such a mindset is just disgusting. Even for just a video game. You're basically saying all pk are children who need to be punished and you're the "Big Daddy" to do it. (haha bioshock reference?) I don't know if you think you're jesus or something and I don't care, saying something like that is just wrong. It makes you sound like a self-righteous pig, which I think most would agree is much worse than a child, though I wouldn't be surprised if you had this mindset if you're a police officer... They all seem brainwashed into this.
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But players hunting down people they think are nasty aren't magic. They exist. If I see someone I don't know in Gasstation preview, I won't jump on him. But if he's a known playerkiller I might. It's common practice in antipk teams to ask if they know someone before he's jumped on or shot.
I don't mind pks, they bring action in this game. But I don't like it when pks complain when they get what they deserve.
So you think everybody who is in an enemy faction deserves to die because they are "outlaws" "evil" "do not do nice things" when in fact you are in new reno to do pvp action and nothing more? I do not see how this is any different and its still player killing. Calling this anti-pk is stupid, you are looking for enemy factions to fight, kill, and gain some self confidence and celebrate in victory with the reward of some loot. Its PvP nothing more nothing less nothing right or wrong its a game we fight each other simple.
Its all just PvP, all factions do that they see somebody in gas station preview and its somebody in enemy faction they jump in. Some people just believe that if you are not an ally or friend of faction you are in you are against everybody who isn't.
You anti-pks are just a bunch of player killers everybody who does PvP is a player killer there is nothing that is against that. IF anything anti-pk should be term used for person who doesn't engage in PvP that makes more sense than being a pvp faction who shoots people you don't like.
And yes Michaelh139, my point exactly, you guys sound like you want to role play dad wagging his fingure and put people in time out because his pixel shot another pixel. I mean sure Pkers can be jerks and they right stupid things to you after they kill you and it is childish but that's what they enjoy doing in the game they have every right to. I wouldn't call it morally correct, and sure its not a nice thing to do, but you know its a video game, and the guy doesn't need "daddy" to come along to tell him that it isn't right and should be punished for their actions.
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Come on, it's only avv - our local Well of Wisdom About Powerplaying, Gangs, PKing and Everything Else.
Don't look inside of it too much or you may fall and drown.
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Come on, it's only avv - our local Well of Wisdom About Powerplaying, Gangs, PKing and Everything Else.
yep if you dont know the answer of some question you can ask google or avv
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I have said it before and i shall repeat again , there is no black and white. Terms " pk " , " apk " are in conflict with each other that brings confusion and uncertainty when it comes to discussion because those words are incorrect , obsolete that should not be used , use anarchists , peacekeepers , lawyers , raiders , murderers etc. etc. but don't call anyone " pk " or " apk " it's just wrong , stop. " pk , apk " cannot define actions or behavior precisely enough , so if you will keep discussing like that you will just talk in circles.
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Yes, stop using these terms its racists.
Meh I know its AVV and he is helpful and likes to talk and chat with community and is generally a nice guy, I am just bitter and like to argue :)
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Pks are "Bad" or "EVILLZ" sure, they'll call you names and go shit on your corpse like a child, but having such a mindset is just disgusting. Even for just a video game. You're basically saying all pk are children who need to be punished and you're the "Big Daddy" to do it. (haha bioshock reference?) I don't know if you think you're jesus or something and I don't care, saying something like that is just wrong. It makes you sound like a self-righteous pig, which I think most would agree is much worse than a child, though I wouldn't be surprised if you had this mindset if you're a police officer... They all seem brainwashed into this.
Now you're putting words in my mouth. I'm just explaining my gameplay mindset. What's wrong with thinking "What goes around comes around"? If you give lead you get lead. I'm not the one hating here or telling others how to play so what's the problem?
And yes Michaelh139, my point exactly, you guys sound like you want to role play dad wagging his fingure and put people in time out because his pixel shot another pixel. I mean sure Pkers can be jerks and they right stupid things to you after they kill you and it is childish but that's what they enjoy doing in the game they have every right to. I wouldn't call it morally correct, and sure its not a nice thing to do, but you know its a video game, and the guy doesn't need "daddy" to come along to tell him that it isn't right and should be punished for their actions.
You know I don't kill those guys to teach them a lesson, I do it for my own amusement. I enjoy killing players who are against my mindset. It makes the conflict more reasonable. Call them pks, pvp players, innocent childs or whatever. Since it's just a video game, nothing to it. Big fuzz over nothing.
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I would really like to post something from my point of view, but at the moment I'm seriously too tired to read all the previous replies.
:D
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I am enjoying how pissed off the pk's are getting though. Reminds me of what the bomber said to me after I posted a question about the 8 minute replication.....
RAAAAAGGGGEEEEEE
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I'm not a PKer I am a PvPer there is no anti-pk and pk, everybody who engages in PvP is a player killer.
You have not endured my frustration with this game and put up with the stupid shit I get from these so called anti-pk factions because I PvP with factions who fight them.
If you have not raged playing this game you have not played it long enough to understand.
If anything everybody has rage at one point, anti-pk was established because they rage over people killing them, so in all reality everybody has raged at one point so its not entirely that funny.
Try fighting these guys when you have 4 people when they have 10 or have them take your town when you are outnumbered, then they well justify their actions saying they are good people and that I'm an outlaw I deserve whats coming to me because I'm not in their faction. That is all these guys do they win because they have numbers, but its justice I'm evil an evil doer lets go on a holy crusade you would rage if you were in my computer chair.
I am part of The Void a PVP faction, we go out looking for other players from other factions to fight, and we are part of BHH WHICH ACTUALLY AGAINST KILLING RANDOM PEOPLE WHO ENTER BROKEN HILLS SO THEY CAN MINE URANIUM FOR ENERGY CRAFTING OR HQ MINERALS. But yet these anti-pk factions come slaughter us take the town ransack our gear when we are outnumbered by their big huge mega 20+ person alliance. And they justify their actions call themselves good guys call it establishing laws when they are nothing more than raiders who hide behind a fake good cause called anti-pk. Its stupid term stop using it they are a PvP group which draws recruits in because people get irritated getting killed by Pkers and they want revenge. And then they treat you like shit when you enter their town to chat with other players and try to put aside pvp and try to make friends and talk with them. Then they expect you to be nice to them when they enter your town that your faction alliance holds. That is my frustration why I am mad and why I write all this and why I think anti-pk is a term that needs to be stop being used and associated with good vs evil.
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Don't start talking again about swarms, please ::)
By the way, I'm on the same Idea, APK/PK is a useless terminology.
Actually, an APK gang, when it borns, will try for real to set the wastes on justice. Then numbers grow up and someone propose to Town Control. Then most find PVP funny and few keep caring about the real APK terminology, it just becomes a "Don't shoot people on encounter unless if attacked", and you start spending your days on mumble, waiting for a chance to fight anything.
Yet, this distinction made up the different barricades of server's PVP, and I don't see any point of discussing about this: if you define yourself a PVPer, no point in putting everyone in APK/PK categories.
Works anyway good speaking about enemies and allies. When we do some action, we don't shout on mIRC or mumble "zomg PKERS at *insert location name* wanna try smth??!?". Period sounds more like "There are some enemies, probably *insert gang name* in *insert location name*".
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Don't start talking again about swarms, please ::)
Yes that is whole other topic and I just writing my frustrating and I am getting off topic. Swarm on Swarm fights are fun, 5 vs a swarm is not, all I well say about that.
Ok I stop writing my frustrations with the game, but I'm glad at least somebody agrees with me that it is stupid term who is in a so called anti-pk faction. And sees it the way I do PvP.
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The double standards that some players display continue to amaze me, though I shouldn't be surprised. I'm used to it by now.
PK and APK isn't the problem here I think.
Some PKs act like asses and *shit in mouth*, but I've had APK players do the same. It's not BECAUSE they're PK/APK, it's because they're juvenile. Which is fine, they have the right to act that way, and I have the right to think they're retarded.
Doesn't matter the topic; swarms, PK/APK, PVP, etc. Fact is some people just like to dish it out but can't take it. Y'all just complain about nothing, and it's funny to me.
APK teams/players - feel free to hunt me down. Blacklist me. Do whatever it is you do, and the more vigorously you do it, the more fun I will have. At the end of the day, I'll still be willing to TC with you in BH. ;D
It ain't personal to me.
Bluesuits/low level/new players: Please, come for vengeance when you level up. If you kill me next time, I'll be happy for you. Afterall, what comes around goes around.
Whatever your opinion on Avv, he IS right about that. It holds true for everyone... even APK teams.
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Here's my 2 cents.
Give lead = receive lead.
Don't give lead = receive lead
It doesn't matter what you do people will still kill you.
The only problem I find is when people kill you just for entering an unguarded area and don't even bother checking your corpse.
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I'm not a PKer I am a PvPer there is no anti-pk and pk, everybody who engages in PvP is a player killer.
You have not endured my frustration with this game and put up with the stupid shit I get from these so called anti-pk factions because I PvP with factions who fight them.
If you have not raged playing this game you have not played it long enough to understand.
If anything everybody has rage at one point, anti-pk was established because they rage over people killing them, so in all reality everybody has raged at one point so its not entirely that funny.
Try fighting these guys when you have 4 people when they have 10 or have them take your town when you are outnumbered, then they well justify their actions saying they are good people and that I'm an outlaw I deserve whats coming to me because I'm not in their faction. That is all these guys do they win because they have numbers, but its justice I'm evil an evil doer lets go on a holy crusade you would rage if you were in my computer chair.
I am part of The Void a PVP faction, we go out looking for other players from other factions to fight, and we are part of BHH WHICH ACTUALLY AGAINST KILLING RANDOM PEOPLE WHO ENTER BROKEN HILLS SO THEY CAN MINE URANIUM FOR ENERGY CRAFTING OR HQ MINERALS. But yet these anti-pk factions come slaughter us take the town ransack our gear when we are outnumbered by their big huge mega 20+ person alliance. And they justify their actions call themselves good guys call it establishing laws when they are nothing more than raiders who hide behind a fake good cause called anti-pk. Its stupid term stop using it they are a PvP group which draws recruits in because people get irritated getting killed by Pkers and they want revenge. And then they treat you like shit when you enter their town to chat with other players and try to put aside pvp and try to make friends and talk with them. Then they expect you to be nice to them when they enter your town that your faction alliance holds. That is my frustration why I am mad and why I write all this and why I think anti-pk is a term that needs to be stop being used and associated with good vs evil.
Oh, I understand your frustration. I've gone into Gecko/Redding/BH mines, mined the HQ I want. Leave the mines and get shot by someone for the lolz. I've been killed by all the different PK types. THe ones who immediately take all your stuff, the ones who don't even check your stuff, and the oddball who checks my stuff but doesn't take anything. So yes I've been very frustrated at times.
I still haven't killed someone without provocation. I've killed 3 players (I think). 2 because they shot at me and 1 because he was trying to steal my loot. PK/APK does have meaning, however being APK can be a slippery slope. You start off only killing those you know to be PK's & those who shoot at you, but it's possible to become cynical to the point where you assume everyone you meet is just going to shoot anyway so you might as well shoot first. At which point APK stops being that.
One last thing...
Wasteland is harsh.... therefore wasteland justice is harsh. If you haven't you should watch The Devil's Rejects. That might help you to understand.
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Now you're putting words in my mouth. I'm just explaining my gameplay mindset. What's wrong with thinking "What goes around comes around"? If you give lead you get lead. I'm not the one hating here or telling others how to play so what's the problem?
Maybe I am getting it out of hand, yeah. It's pointless arguing about it, but you gotta admit this is entertaining, not just for me you or gr1m but for everyone else :D.
But I attempt to try to have a very neutral point of view, and I am as everyone knows a "PKer", though terminology like this has pretty much officially been cast aside thank god. And when you said what I quoted, it felt directed at me, and I have a problem with the "goes around comes around" concept, because it just isn't true. People who will never have never harmed or done anything wrong in their lives, especially in Real Life, plenty of times get the shit handed to them, for whatever reason, and it felt like you were saying "You need to be punished cus u harr bad boy".
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Wasteland is harsh.... therefore wasteland justice is harsh.
:o
THATS THE SPIRIT!
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For fuck sakes I write a book and nobody gets the point I'm making. ITS NOT FUCKING JUSTICE GOD DAMNIT ITS PVP NOTHING MORE. This is why I can't stand anti-pk groups.
If you want to go get your little wasteland justice come to broken hills try it and get shot by all the militia :) And you may be shot by my ruthless Russian friends :)
Town control isn't fucking justice its PvP if anything its being raiders god damn.
And also I think being nice gets you nowhere in a harsh wasteland, you have to do bad things to survive, and the wasteland's harshness well drive you insane to point where you want to kill everybody.
But sure if it makes you feel better pretending your character is a cop when you guys go town control sure but its still I think its stupid, and I don't really roleplay anything I just play the game to defend broken hills or to go take other towns for PvP action nothing more.
Sure if you want to pretend I'm an outlaw if it makes you feel better for shooting other faction members go for it, I argue PK is freedom so who I am to say that you can't but I still think its stupid, just like how you guys think its stupid for a PKer to say yo momma over your corpse.
I know its a harsh game I have played it long enough to know and I still play it and it is still fun the none less doing PvP. I still enjoy playing the game there are good aspects to it. All this bitter feelings is mostly from when I started these days its easy enough to avoid frustration and when I get Pked or die in a PvP battle I write "get your dirty hands off me" as a joke grab more gear try again no feelings attached, no pretending I'm something I'm not.
In all reality I do not like anti-pk's philosophy I don't really agree with it and think its hypocritical, getting killed by them in a faction vs faction fight isn't really wasteland justice. If anything anti-pk are skilled and smart players and probably the toughest factions to fight, so its very fun to try and defeat them and when we get victory over them it is very satisfying. But I still think they are assholes, I refuse to roleplay cops and robbers with them, and the wall of justice can kiss my ass.
And you know if I feel like it I well go pk somebody, but for the most part you can find me in broken hills protecting it and letting you craft and mine with no problems. If you are in an enemy faction we well shoot you, anti-pk "justice league" does the same exact thing except I don't call myself anti-pk and call people criminals when I do it.
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you're still so angry. Relax a little.
p.s. my faction is allied with yours lol
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I rage but I don't quit :P
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But I attempt to try to have a very neutral point of view, and I am as everyone knows a "PKer", though terminology like this has pretty much officially been cast aside thank god. And when you said what I quoted, it felt directed at me, and I have a problem with the "goes around comes around" concept, because it just isn't true.
Surely wasn't directed to you but generally to people who are looking for troubble and mess with others. Goes around and comes around is true because if you go look for troubble, you will find it. But you can't always regulate or predict it. The idea doesn't outrule the fact that people who don't deserve shit get it because the whole idea is about those who make other people's life shitty. When someone gets what he didn't ask for, that's when "Shit happens" saying kicks in.
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I've already written several pages about how stupid anti-pk term is. Not to mention a classic APK paradox "you were seen with PKs, you are their friend now you have to die" which means anti-PKs actually shoot innocent people as well (though they have another reason than lulz).
Even funnier is a situation when two guys, one kills another and heroic APK spawns and kills this remaining guy in the name of peace and justice. Too bad nobody told this APK that the guy who died first was actually a bad guy (baseraper for example). See? Another paradox.
On the other hand I feel that there are at least two groups of players, some who never hesitate to shoot an unknown guy with low hp and some who still believe that a guy might be new in game and needs help instead of one-hex bursting. If you talk to some "APKs" they speak about themselves as they were something special and they very often despise all PKs. That's the problem with these guys, that's why Gr1m is raging here in this topic.
Calling a faction APK is uber bullshit. During my FOnline career I was a part of many factions (as an ally) and I can honestly say that in each faction there are people from both groups. Secret chars specially dedicated for PKing are not exceptional in "APK factions". No one will ever know.
This RP shouting "xyz for great justice" etc. is for PKs equally uncomfortable as *shit in mouth* for APKs. In the first case PK thinks about APKs they are idiots whereas in the second case APK thinks about PKs they are idiots. I don't like either one, but that's not the case. What I want to say is that we are all just players and should tolerate and respect each other.
So yes, I understand your rage Gr1m but try to relax :) it's only a game, nothing more nothing less.
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What I want to say is that we are all just players and should tolerate and respect each other.
Ghandi mode on?
By the way, I can see wisdom in your words young Jedi.
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I try to relax and stay calm but this game has just done too much damage for me to relax. Only reason why I went off was because brick mention I sprayed him when he was bluesuit in broken hills and it just reminded me how TTTLA are dickwads to me when I go to redding, even if I talk to them and ask nicely if I can mine and mind my own business and try to stay around and chat they shoot me on sight tell me to go get them hq ore/minerals and pull their stupid justice crap on me.
But its not a big deal, I can mine in broken hills and I really don't need to do any mining these days as I have enough stuff to last me a few pvp fights. Plus I have plenty of alts they don't know about if I ever needed to go to redding.
But you know its probably what I should have expected. Anti-pk factions like TTTLA wonder why everybody hates them and spits on them when they go tell people to go get them ores and minerals and tell them to go play firing squad. Or maybe its just that one particular member who is a jackass I don't know.
You know in all honestly why I can't stand this justice crap, its because its like getting pulled over by that jackass cop who thinks its funny that he is giving you a ticket chewing bubble gum with a smirk on his face, you can just feel that sick pleasure he is getting out of catching you and you have to be respectful towards him and really wish you could tell him to fuck off. Deep down inside you are pissed off you have to pay a $500 dollar ticket. And in all honestly that is how I feel because that is what they are role playing.
But you know maybe AVV is right I don't really believe that being good brings good things, I mean alot of people who all the nice things in life aren't very good people. But you know during this particular time when I asked if I could mine redding when section8 was trolling gecko mine and chosen soldiers held bhh, .slaz was being a dickwad with his get me ores and go play firing squad and I gave him a piece of brahmin shit, he sprayed me, then somebody from C88 sprayed him so maybe there is some truth to what AVV has to say I don't know.
But you know if I ever catch .slaz in BHH I well kill him, science his gear and spit on him but he wouldn't have the balls to come without all his faction buddies.
Oh and I just have to add, I got treated like this when me and couple of guys I played to ask if we could join them action and help take the town from Samartians because we were pissed they raided broken hills with rogues. And during times when there was an uneasy truce that TTTLA would help BHH if it came under attack.
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Like you said is a RP. I actually think that is quite effective due to the fact that justice in the wasteland must be harsh too. Remind the Boneyard's Regulators? ::)
The non-Lawyers usually let you mine.
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I took the side of overthrowing the regulators because I thought they were oppressive :D
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See? There are no PVPers. We are all roleplayers in real, just maybe not hardcorse ones.
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Not to be an ass, but I've probably already made an ass of myself as is with all my rage but what does doing a quest I did in fallout1 like 10-11 years ago have to do with roleplaying and not being a PvPer?
I don't want to roleplay outlaw. I role play mercenary, I go fight where there is a fight to be fought. If you put it in role play perspective. I just play the game click buttons watch a sledgehammer swing and watch my character shoot don't really pretend anything when I play the game. I click, I watch, I laugh, rage, type messages to people that appear over my characters head. I'm a horrible role player. I generally don't pretend I'm the character I'm playing, I usually give it a name I commonly use, or a reference to something, or try to think of something funny.
I don't think of shooting NPCs as shooting an actual person when I farm, I just see it as an object it gives me something when I click on it and shoot that I need for money or a weapon.
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I just play the game click buttons watch a sledgehammer swing and watch my character shoot don't really pretend anything when I play the game. I click, I watch, I laugh, rage, type messages to people that appear over my characters head. I'm a horrible role player. I generally don't pretend I'm the character I'm playing, I usually give it a name I commonly use, or a reference to something, or try to think of something funny.
That's exactly why you rage so much about slaz and everyone else. You think they are talking to you. They're not. They talk to your character.
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Well of course you're going to defend your friend. Ask Brick how it feels to go into town blue suit to come and visit chat when no PvP action and getting shot, or having somebody tell you to go mine hq ores and minerals for them and go up against the wall to be shot, when I talked to one of your Children of Anus alliance leaders they say no problem you can go mine. Then .slaz stupid shit roleplay. And you guys also pulled that shit on me after helping you guys take the town from samartians. That is why I am not happy, I don't care if its roleplay.
But you know what should I expect from hypocritical faction like yours. Stupid on my part but still that is why I do not like you guys and it makes very happy to shoot your faction members dead more so than other factions. And I celebrate when your faction loses.
Anti-pk is a joke and what people think what it is as being good, I still think its stupid term, and you guys are not honorable in the least bit you do not represent what justice really is. If anything I see your "roleplay" as corruption. I see you as the cops/police/authority who cause riots in various countries because of police shootings.
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Well, like I won't waste more time to talk to a deaf, impolite, raging and unattainable to reason kid, I will only point out that TTTLA never claimed to be anti-PK and let you rage without me.
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And I am not going to be nice to a faction who have been assholes to me and believe everything is right and justified and call it "justice".
This is why I cannot stand your faction you guys are very arrogant. And you guys almost act like you are brainwashed into your views.
You are only allied with crazy 88 the international anti-pk faction, Children of Anus the anti-pk alliance faction LOL.
But still, can we agree to disagree on our views, we are opposing factions, and its best if everybody just call themselves PvP faction regardless if they believe shooting random people or not.
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And you guys almost act like you are brainwashed into your views.
You mean they dont roleplay fanatics, but are real life fanatics about justice in MMORPGs?!? Hope your wrong.
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That's why i like hinkley, no philosophy, only what matters.
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That's why i like hinkley, no philosophy, only what matters.
Agreed...
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That's why i like hinkley, no philosophy, only what matters.
But since it's supposed to be rpmmo game, doesn't rp matter quite alot? Players with opinions, principles and standards are supposed to exist in this game.
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But since it's supposed to be rpmmo game, doesn't rp matter quite alot? Players with opinions, principles and standards are supposed to exist in this game.
I never said otherwise.
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Nothing wrong with roleplaying, it is a role playing game after all. I just don't like the individuals who roleplay these types of characters.
I mean its hypocritical.
They roleplay cops and justice, but yet bring about rein of terror kill other players to ransack gear like a bunch of a raiders. And they ALWAYS have numbers when you don't and its very difficult to stop them.
They aren't "anti-pk" but they are part of an "anti-pk" alliance with with a faction that calls itself the international anti-pk faction.
And when you try to make friends with them and try to do some action with them they well shoot you afterwards in the town you help take.
I mean originally, I just saw it as another group of players who do PvP and was on the side of fighting them and didn't think much of it. But then they act like total jackasses towards me. And members of this alliance want to come to a town which I help and protect hold to chat and be friendly, but when I do the same they shoot me on sight, its hypocritical. That is why I sprayed Brick, and maybe if he has read this maybe he now understands my reasoning and why I do not like his allies.
And you know the only reason why me and the few people I played with during the time of joining up with them to fight was because our mega swarm alliance split, and I was down to only playing with 3-4 people, and there was a truce with them and BHH which was our only ally at the time. And we wanted revenge on another faction who helped attack broken hills.
So anybody who is going to give me shit for that, it was only once and well never fight with them again or even think of creating an alliance with them ever again after they way they were jackasses to me. I well always fight with a faction that kills them as my "roleplay" a mercenary, a hired gun, who fights with different factions, because that's what I generally do in this game.
And that is why I hate anti-pk think its hypocritical for how people think of it as good vs evil. And why I do not like factions that call themselves an "anti-pk faction".
And which is why I think its a stupid term to associate with justice or anybody in these groups of players, because they are all the same you are still player killing, you are engaging in PvP to fight other people. And anybody who plays this game is "anti-pk", you shoot somebody's friend or somebody shoots your alt you're going to be anti-pk and try to hunt them and shoot them on sight anywhere you see them. Even "PK" factions do this.
And all factions are the same, whether they are against shooting random people or not. All factions do not shoot friends, and all factions well ask if anybody knows a person entering the town they are at then decide to shoot them or not. It is all the same.
And in this regards, players who call themselves anti-pk I have seen time and time again of them shooting random people also, who are not associate with any factions in towns they attack held by their enemies, its hypocritical its a bad term.
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And why I do not like factions that call themselves an "anti-pk faction".
Poeple like you call us Anti-PK, we didnt autoproclaim us anti-pk.
So you dont like us, because you call us anti-PK.
That is your fault if you dont like us. Not our.
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Do you not read anything I write? I said I don't like you because you guys were total dickwads to me after helping you take a town, not because you are anti-pk. I wrote that I do not like the term because its hypocritical.
Actually wait, I think I know what your thought process is. Its big post me donts like to read big long posts.
This is just too fun, now you say you guys aren't anti-pk but stand for justice, but kill anybody and raid towns in the name of justice. You know one of you guys said I have twisted thinking... LOL
I think anybody who works in law enforcement would not agree to what you guys do as "justice".
You know what you guys remind me of really, The Rodney King case in America, where like 10 (I don't know exact number) cops beat the crap out of somebody with night sticks nearly to death and it caused a riot in Los Angeles. And the use of force was justified and the cops got off of their sentences. That's what you guys are, you are like the cops who beat the shit out of people with 10+ to stop somebody who you call a criminal. And then well never think what you do is wrong and anything you do is justified. And anybody in a rightful mindset would not call that justice or upholding the law.
Oh... then I also have to remember you guys' mordino roleplay project. Seems very hypocritical to a group of players who like to Role play justice to start a role play project of a bunch of drug dealing criminals, and then the funny part is MORDINOS weren't even ENERGY weapons, that was Salvatore.
I am simply pointing flaws in your roleplay logic, and do not like you guys because you were assholes to me.
And your argument against me is... posting a vintage picture of a woman whipping a man? You sir have an IQ of a retarded monkey. And its my fault for not liking you, and you get upset when I call you arrogant LOL.
Really explain to me why its my fault? What is your logical thinking behind that I would really like to know, you know generally treating somebody like shit after helping them and acting like a total jackass when somebody just wants to come visit and chat is generally the fault of the person who is a jackass which is your group of players.
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You sir have an IQ of a retarded monkey
Yeah, but I have an elefants dick. :-*
In any case, you are writting big pack of shit, just to say that TTTLA are bad Role Players.
Would you prefer to see us killing everybody on sight an shouting "Haha ! We pwned you ! MotherFucker ! I shit in you mouth fuckin Nazi Polish"
Seriously, you are just angry because we kill you. So ? We dont like you. We will not play with poeple that we dont like. This is a game, we just want some fun.
If you dont like RP, go play CoD, or if you think our RP isnt a good quality RP, try to do better, or shut up.
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This is just too fun, now you say you guys aren't anti-pk but stand for justice, but kill anybody and raid towns in the name of justice. You know one of you guys said I have twisted thinking... LOL
That IS the tttla roleplay. They roleplay a group of hell-bent fanatic lawyers who think what they do is justice. They've explained this like hundred times here at forums.
You know what you guys remind me of really, The Rodney King case in America, where like 10 (I don't know exact number) cops beat the crap out of somebody with night sticks nearly to death and it caused a riot in Los Angeles. And the use of force was justified and the cops got off of their sentences. That's what you guys are, you are like the cops who beat the shit out of people with 10+ to stop somebody who you call a criminal. And then well never think what you do is wrong and anything you do is justified. And anybody in a rightful mindset would not call that justice or upholding the law.
I too know this story, it's not really related but how it REALLY goes is that this guy Rodney was drunk, though the cops thought he was on pcp(drug that makes you feel no pain) had acted violently and resisted arrest. But the majority of people only saw the last part of the video where the cops beat him up, not the part where this guy had been resisting the arrest. Nor did they know what the cops knew about the intoxication. Always two sides of a coin.
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Ok well, whatever the Rodney king story was point I was making that they didn't need 10 cops to beat the shit out of 1 guy none stop which is similar to the fact that groups like Children of Atom, which is known to most people as an anti-pk alliance, always stomp you with bigger numbers. I mean he did resist break the law but they had enough people to just hand cuff him put him in the car and haul him off to jail they didn't need to beat the shit out of him to a pulp with that many people at once with night sticks.
I did not know they were role playing fanatics. But if that is what they are role playing that makes sense. And that is actually kind of funny, nobody explained that to me I thought it was a bunch of guys trying to role play cops and establishing law in order in the wasteland, which I think what majority of people would think when they shout things like "For great justice". And many people would think they are an anti-pk group because of that and their alliance with an anti-pk faction.
But still it does mean that I well change my mind for my general dislike of their faction and some members. And I have stated my reasons.
I just do not understand peoples thinking though when it comes to pk and anti-pk and majority of players join up with groups like these. You know many people have stopped playing or something makes them rage quit, and stupid things like stealing an ally's armor breaks up a mega alliance swarm slowly. And it just seems these guys keep their numbers huge because people have this idea in their head of anti-pk good PK bad. And majority of people like being the good hero or something in video games. It is just strange how people think and refuse to be part of groups who PvP and have no problem shooting random blue suits when they do it. Although I well state that Broken Hills Hunters is against this in broken hills. And as a friend and ally of theirs I don't shoot people in broken hills either.
I am mainly frustrated these days because action is not fun anymore, when you are always outnumbered and try to start up a faction and people refuse to ally and join it because it is labeled as "PK".
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[...]try to start up a faction and people refuse to ally and join it because it is labeled as "PK".
All factions are PKers. If poeple dont understand what PK and antiPK mean, that is because there is poeple like you who are crying because they are swarmed by, in your words, Anti-PK.
If you didnt write everywhere that TTTLA, CoA, and others were Anti-Pk swarming Pkers, maybe poeple would join, in your words, PK factions.
TTTLA are players like the others (but they are fuckin* arrogant french eating bread with their berets), we are here to have fun, do some actions with a background to our team.
The other teams do the same thing (but they are not fuckin arrogant french).
So what is your problem ? Not enough players in your team ? Recruit ! Bring some of your friends.
Or, if you really think that nobody want to join a PK team, lets put in your team's description that you are AntiPK ! :-*
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Never said anywhere that you were arrogant because you were french, your arrogant because you say I'm the one to blame for not liking your group because you were dicks me that is all. In fact I didn't even know you were french. I do not think you are arrogant because you are french I think you are arrogant as an individual. I have played with many french people and respect them.
And you guys think you're so good and own everything only because you out number every faction in the game and only attack if you know the enemy has less people. You are not only faction that does this, I have other factions that I could say the same thing about.
When the reality is most of us are the opposite, we have less numbers so we don't even bother fighting you guys. And just let you take the town because there is no point in feeding you guys free gear.
You know back in the good old days, we would have a huge number of people, a huge fucking swarm and never once did you show up to fight, you only show up when you have more and when the other factions have less. And half time you guys would just send your stupid proxy looters and sneakers to shoot that's it when you saw our numbers in the good ol' days.
But you know you can't control everything. I had no control over the swarm alliance splitting up, or the highway pirate alliance whatever the fuck it was called, it split because of stupid reasons. Because of stupid kids who thought it was funny to shoot people in a groin and the guy turning and bursting the guy take his gear and not giving it back. And then having an ally and friends turn on you taking a town that you have spilled your blood and guts for to defend with somebody they recently allied with and hardly played with.
Its a dying game there is only few people who can take this game any more and most just quit play other games because its frustrating and pointless. And you know what I don't fucking care if you call it crying or want to insult me and say go cry about it, I well just continue to troll back.
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And you guys think you're so good and own everything only because you out number every faction in the game and only attack if you know the enemy has less people. You are not only faction that does this, I have other factions that I could say the same thing about.
When the reality is most of us are the opposite, we have less numbers so we don't even bother fighting you guys. And just let you take the town because there is no point in feeding you guys free gear.
So you're pissed because they do the same thing YOU just admitted to doing?
Got it.
But they're bad simply because you don't like the way they play?
I see.
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The difference is, I can never find the numbers to do the same thing back :) That's the frustrating part.
And you know I really do not take outcasts seriously you guys have not done any action long enough to understand. You guys are a wanna-be anti-pk who want to blacklist pkers but fail epically and rage quit by a faction in which we killed with 5 people. And Reese, everybody's favorite pker, killed the majority of them defending broken hills.
And I killed 5 of your faction members solo in redding :)
And you know I get you guys are new players, maybe some of your leaders have done action, and I offered alliance and would have been happy to help you guys and teach PvP but get declined because of stupid pk and anti-pk thinking.
TTTLA and C88 is the toughest faction to fight, and I do not respect any faction who has not fought them many times and do not understand my rage fighting them.
Yes I'm frustrated, yes I am mad, but rage is what keeps me going.
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TTTLA never said they are APK
They said they are Lawyers.
So you are outlaw and they are killing you and all your friends including me on sight.
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Yup that's the reality of it, except they are allied with the international anti-pk gang where they get their numbers. Which is why I thought they were anti-pk. But they are just roleplayers who like to so say things like for Great Justice when they PvP. At least that is cleared up and makes it less hypocritical but for most part they are still assholes for shooting people who help them and say they want a truce and help but still kill us on sight :)
Well that truce is over now anyways have to defend the town from the fanatics.
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The difference is, I can never find the numbers to do the same thing back :) That's the frustrating part.
Maybe cuz not everyone thinks the same you do.
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Nope, they don't everybody wants to be a wasteland Jesus.
And I know I can't change that, and why I can respect what section 8 does, piss off other players and make their lives miserable because in all honesty I hate this game, it pisses me off and I can't stand the community, Keep up the good work :)
I officially rage quit I can't take this game any longer too much bull shit that pisses me off and hope you all burn in hell.
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PK & APK are real terms that do apply. However, that's not to say that everyone who says they're are APK stay that way or behave in way that's better than a PK. Sure we all kill players at one point or another, but we all know that PK doesn't just mean player killer. The basics of it are you kill players without provocation. Like recently I walked into commercial row in New Reno. Walked in got blasted. Why? Honestly i'm not sure lol... I tried to see if they would talk just so I could understand what was happening, but they'd shoot me too quick and not come over to my dead body. Or shooting someone as they're running out of a mine. PK behavior. APK is trickier yes, but it's still real. And as I said earlier, if the wasteland is harsh, then wasteland justice must be harsh. And judging by your reaction I'd say that it's having it's desired effect.
(p.s. I had nothing on me when I went into New Reno, I always go in empty first and see what happens)
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PK & APK are real terms that do apply. However, that's not to say that everyone who says they're are APK stay that way or behave in way that's better than a PK. Sure we all kill players at one point or another, but we all know that PK doesn't just mean player killer. The basics of it are you kill players without provocation. Like recently I walked into commercial row in New Reno. Walked in got blasted. Why? Honestly i'm not sure lol... I tried to see if they would talk just so I could understand what was happening, but they'd shoot me too quick and not come over to my dead body. Or shooting someone as they're running out of a mine. PK behavior. APK is trickier yes, but it's still real. And as I said earlier, if the wasteland is harsh, then wasteland justice must be harsh. And judging by your reaction I'd say that it's having it's desired effect.
(p.s. I had nothing on me when I went into New Reno, I always go in empty first and see what happens)
FYI - Reno is considered a PVP free for all zone for most players. That's why you were killed. That's just what happens in Reno, and for the most part that's the only reason most people go there. If you already knew that, then disregard.
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Nope, they don't everybody wants to be a wasteland Jesus.
And I know I can't change that, and why I can respect what section 8 does, piss off other players and make their lives miserable because in all honesty I hate this game, it pisses me off and I can't stand the community, Keep up the good work :)
I officially rage quit I can't take this game any longer too much bull shit that pisses me off and hope you all burn in hell.
It's almost Christmas. You know what I'm going to get you?
A giant wooden cross.
That way, every time you feel unappreciated for all you're insight, you can climb on up and nail yourself to it.
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PK & APK are real terms that do apply. However, that's not to say that everyone who says they're are APK stay that way or behave in way that's better than a PK. Sure we all kill players at one point or another, but we all know that PK doesn't just mean player killer. The basics of it are you kill players without provocation. Like recently I walked into commercial row in New Reno. Walked in got blasted. Why? Honestly i'm not sure lol... I tried to see if they would talk just so I could understand what was happening, but they'd shoot me too quick and not come over to my dead body. Or shooting someone as they're running out of a mine. PK behavior. APK is trickier yes, but it's still real. And as I said earlier, if the wasteland is harsh, then wasteland justice must be harsh. And judging by your reaction I'd say that it's having it's desired effect.
(p.s. I had nothing on me when I went into New Reno, I always go in empty first and see what happens)
I don't know if anybody has told you or maybe you don't know New Reno is a war zone it is skirmish grounds where factions go to fight each other. Nobody goes to New Reno to visit and say hi they go there looking for other players to kill.
It's almost Christmas. You know what I'm going to get you?
A giant wooden cross.
That way, every time you feel unappreciated for all you're insight, you can climb on up and nail yourself to it.
Gee golly thanks, it's what I've always wanted since I was a little boy! Now I can say I died for your PKs but nobody cares because the jolly fat man gets all the attention.
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FYI - Reno is considered a PVP free for all zone for most players. That's why you were killed. That's just what happens in Reno, and for the most part that's the only reason most people go there. If you already knew that, then disregard.
Yeah I know it's PvP area. I was checking the area out to sell some SMG's.
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Yeah I know it's PvP area. I was checking the area out to sell some SMG's.
And somebody was checking the area to kill players...seriously, there are thousands merchants in the game, why u need to go so far just to sell smgs ?!?!? pffff.
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Nope, they don't everybody wants to be a wasteland Jesus.
And I know I can't change that, and why I can respect what section 8 does, piss off other players and make their lives miserable because in all honesty I hate this game, it pisses me off and I can't stand the community, Keep up the good work :)
I officially rage quit I can't take this game any longer too much bull shit that pisses me off and hope you all burn in hell.
Grow the fuck up mate. section 8 is only having fun, u should do the same....u are quitting the game cuz u are too worried about shit philosophy and forget to have some fun in game. u think only cuz people belong to a pk or apk faction they don't get hit too, we all got killed in this game, everywhere with or whitout any reason, everyone does something in this shit that someone else disagree, that's life get used to it. You are quitting cuz of stupid discusions like "pk/apk alignment" and TTTLA/C88 bla bla bla...seriously chap, quit, that's the best u can do.
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lol whoever gets pwned by S8 is uber noob and should hide beheind his momma skirt and leave harsh wasteland for real guys who can properly pwn S8 or whoever appears on preview. xD
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There is no point arguing about it, they both kill, and they both kill eachother. Some may choose to view it as black and white, but at its basest level it is no different. There is no reason to whine about them, because you yourself, just as I have, chosen to be a part of it, regardless of side. The only difference between PK and APK is the title, even I, a PK have gone out of my way to help a new player occasionally, other times I shot them. When I was low level and unaffiliated, some PK and APK players would help me, other times they would shoot me. Does it bother me? No. Especially not in a game as easy to get your stuff back as this. This isn't Diablo II hardcore mode guys. Death isn't that big of a deal.
As for Section 8, the only thing you can really say is any different, is takng over a guarded town. And really, you think thats not possible? In real life just because you are in a city with a police force does not mean you wont get robbed, and it doesn't mean you can't get killed. It happens all the time. Keeps people on their toes. Teaches them to not let their gaurd down. Its the wasteland, shit happens, respawn and get back out there.
Back when I was unaffiliated, I experienced my first encounter with section 8. I came into hub, and I died. That simple. It was no different than any other day, when I tried to sell something and a theif took all the money I made. I lost my stuff just like normal, and I respawned. No big deal. In fact, when I came in and saw everybody dead, I laughed a little. It was out of the ordinary, and that made it kind of amusing. Did I take it to heart? No. Why? Because I got my big boy pants on. Something some people who will go unnamed should try.
The second time I encountered them, they DIDN'T kill me. A PK group not killing a bluesuit? Guess what, it happens. And the third time I ran into them? I joined them. Since then, I've killed alot of people, and died just as much. I've helped alot of people, faction members and randoms alike. Thats right, sometimes I help randoms, and othertimes I shoot them. Sometimes I even shoot them, THEN help them. What do I see though? Nothing but unfounded and unintelligent remarks. Those who quite the game because of rage shouldn't have been playing to begin with. I believe fallout two had a mature rating, sure that means seventeen and older, but it also means mature, something some people lack. Mature is not 'conforming to what others view the game to be', nor is it 'acting a way deemed socially acceptable'. Maturity is knowing to not take things too seriously and doing what needs to be done. Since this is a game and nothing needs to be done, that only leaves one thing.
To conclude, people who whine and moan about people being immature, and playing the wrong way, making unfounded assumption on what type of people some are just because of the way they choose to play the game, are themselves, being immature. Something to think about my good sirs.
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Ok I took some time to calm down, took a day off from the game and feel much better. We all say stupid things and make asses of ourselves when we are raging and that's all what I'm really doing here is making an ass of myself.
And I am sure I have made somebody rage with my actions in this game. And isn't that what we generally like to do in this game, figure out ways to annoy each other and make each other rage?
I cannot be the only one who rages playing this game, I guess I am more vocal with my rage and tend to cuss and want to tell everybody off.
And I know Section 8, and have played with them, and their idea of fun is what people would associate with PK. But you guys are horrible at town controlling, and I've seen your members rage trying to take a town after getting attacked by 10+ people from enemy factions.
I tested AVV theory of being nice to people and being generous. I made a new character and made BB's to level and gave it to noobs in NCR. And this was the outcome. Because of a rollback the night before all my combat characters were in some random spot in broken hills, and I always log out of the game on world map or at a tent. So when the town came under attack I logged in and my character was spawned right in the middle of town where the enemy was standing and I got shot and looted and the stupid targeted shots was on while trying to fire a rocket at them in an attempt to escape, and that's what generally set me off to rage quitting when I wrote previous posts. This is the type of stupid shit that always happens to me in this game.
So no generally for me being nice helping people, giving free gear away and helping people make money does not bring any good luck what so ever.
Just needed a break from the game I am not quitting. I am here to stay and continue fighting the fight. There is nothing I can do to change that fact that faction fighting is unbalanced in numbers and well just have to deal with it. The wasteland is harsh and unfair. And I suppose it brings about realism, there is no team balance in war. And I could just go play fonline battlegrounds for a team balanced fight.
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And I know Section 8, and have played with them, and their idea of fun is what people would associate with PK. But you guys are horrible at town controlling, and I've seen your members rage trying to take a town after getting attacked by 10+ people from enemy factions.
Of course we're bad at Town Control. We rarely do it, and even that's a relatively new thing for us. Who in their right mind would expect us to be good at it? We haven't been doing it as often or as long as other groups, and they're good for a reason. They've earned that skill fair and square, through experience. That experience is what we don't have, and it's difficult to get when you rarely have the numbers online to even attempt it. Primarily, we aren't a TC faction. That should be apparent to anyone paying attention.
Also, I'm sure you've seen some of us rage at stuff. I'm not speaking for all of Section 8, just myself. We have all sorts of guys, just like any other group of people... and some of them rage.
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And somebody was checking the area to kill players...seriously, there are thousands merchants in the game, why u need to go so far just to sell smgs ?!?!? pffff.
That's not going far, I was right in the area. I set my tent up near there for hunting SF caravan. And for a few weeks I was able to hop into commercial row and sell a few SMG's. I like having lots of options for selling since frequently the merchants are either out of caps or have very few (the ones that pay good for smg's that is).
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I tested AVV theory of being nice to people and being generous...
..So no generally for me being nice helping people, giving free gear away and helping people make money does not bring any good luck what so ever...
You're taking avv's theory and thinking about it the completely wrong way.
You are being 'nice' just so that you get good luck.
You should be 'nice' just to be be 'nice', that is when good things happen.
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I just think making a morally right decision and being nice is good for that moment and nothing more it does not reflect what happens to you in future events.
Well its a video game, and sometimes role playing the bad guy can be fun also. Its all about having fun or well at least it should be.
Most people who play this game are decent people in real life, and wouldn't do the things they do in this game. But you don't have to bring real life morality into a video game and be self-righteous. And if somebody wants to be a dick and kill other players for no reason and talk shit they have every right to, its a video game. I think the majority of people who shoot everybody on sight and talk shit are younger kids. The people who play this that are older tend not to do that and the ones who do just like to say something funny to make somebody laugh, or they just don't say anything at all.
And wind drift I thought you were an outcast because of the symbol you have in your avatar. And at least you understand the frustration of being outnumbered and what its like. That frustration is what I go through everyday because I pvp everyday in this game.
Anti-pk wants to piss off Pkers, Pkers want to piss off anybody they come across, and everybody who plays this game gets the thought of "I think it would be funny to do this to another player". Some people think its funny to shout for great justice when they slay somebody, and others thinks its funny to insult your mom and say eat a dick. Everybody is just trying to be funny.
And yes I already have my big boy pants on, and sometimes the big boys get road rage.
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Kill anyone anything on sight.
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lol whoever gets pwned by S8 is uber noob and should hide beheind his momma skirt and leave harsh wasteland for real guys who can properly pwn S8 or whoever appears on preview. xD
So you are judgin' my ability to play the game for the team i belong ? lol to you mate, i've killed many man in this game, and got killed like everyone else, but it has nothing to do with my team. what i say here is about me, when it starts to be about my team i'll let you know. oh yea, i forgot to ask u....who the fuck asked your opinion ?
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