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[maszrum]

Come on, it's only avv - our local Well of Wisdom About Powerplaying, Gangs, PKing and Everything Else.

yep if you dont know the answer of some question you can ask google or avv

[T-888]

I have said it before and i shall repeat again , there is no black and white. Terms " pk " , " apk " are in conflict with each other that brings confusion and uncertainty when it comes to discussion because those words are incorrect , obsolete that should not be used , use anarchists , peacekeepers , lawyers , raiders , murderers  etc. etc. but don't call anyone " pk " or " apk " it's just wrong , stop. " pk , apk " cannot define actions or behavior precisely enough , so if you will keep discussing like that you will just talk in circles.

[gr1m099]

Yes, stop using these terms its racists.

Meh I know its AVV and he is helpful and likes to talk and chat with community and is generally a nice guy, I am just bitter and like to argue

[avv]

Pks are "Bad" or "EVILLZ" sure, they'll call you names and go shit on your corpse like a child, but having such a mindset is just disgusting.  Even for just a video game.  You're basically saying all pk are children who need to be punished and you're the "Big Daddy" to do it. (haha bioshock reference?)  I don't know if you think you're jesus or something and I don't care, saying something like that is just wrong.  It makes you sound like a self-righteous pig, which I think most would agree is much worse than a child, though I wouldn't be surprised if you had this mindset if you're a police officer...  They all seem brainwashed into this.

Now you're putting words in my mouth. I'm just explaining my gameplay mindset. What's wrong with thinking "What goes around comes around"? If you give lead you get lead. I'm not the one hating here or telling others how to play so what's the problem?

And yes Michaelh139, my point exactly, you guys sound like you want to role play dad wagging his fingure and put people in time out because his pixel shot another pixel. I mean sure Pkers can be jerks and they right stupid things to you after they kill you and it is childish but that's what they enjoy doing in the game they have every right to. I wouldn't call it morally correct, and sure its not a nice thing to do, but you know its a video game, and the guy doesn't need "daddy" to come along to tell him that it isn't right and should be punished for their actions.

You know I don't kill those guys to teach them a lesson, I do it for my own amusement. I enjoy killing players who are against my mindset. It makes the conflict more reasonable. Call them pks, pvp players, innocent childs or whatever. Since it's just a video game, nothing to it. Big fuzz over nothing.

[Jackall]

I would really like to post something from my point of view, but at the moment I'm seriously too tired to read all the previous replies.
 

[Shonsu]

I am enjoying how pissed off the pk's are getting though.  Reminds me of what the bomber said to me after I posted a question about the 8 minute replication.....


RAAAAAGGGGEEEEEE

[gr1m099]

I'm not a PKer I am a PvPer there is no anti-pk and pk, everybody who engages in PvP is a player killer.

You have not endured my frustration with this game and put up with the stupid shit I get from these so called anti-pk factions because I PvP with factions who fight them.

If you have not raged playing this game you have not played it long enough to understand.

If anything everybody has rage at one point, anti-pk was established because they rage over people killing them, so in all reality everybody has raged at one point so its not entirely that funny.

Try fighting these guys when you have 4 people when they have 10 or have them take your town when you are outnumbered, then they well justify their actions saying they are good people and that I'm an outlaw I deserve whats coming to me because I'm not in their faction. That is all these guys do they win because they have numbers, but its justice I'm evil an evil doer lets go on a holy crusade you would rage if you were in my computer chair.

I am part of The Void a PVP faction, we go out looking for other players from other factions to fight, and we are part of BHH WHICH ACTUALLY AGAINST KILLING RANDOM PEOPLE WHO ENTER BROKEN HILLS SO THEY CAN MINE URANIUM FOR ENERGY CRAFTING OR HQ MINERALS. But yet these anti-pk factions come slaughter us take the town ransack our gear when we are outnumbered by their big huge mega 20+ person alliance. And they justify their actions call themselves good guys call it establishing laws when they are nothing more than raiders who hide behind a fake good cause called anti-pk. Its stupid term stop using it they are a PvP group which draws recruits in because people get irritated getting killed by Pkers and they want revenge. And then they treat you like shit when you enter their town to chat with other players and try to put aside pvp and try to make friends and talk with them. Then they expect you to be nice to them when they enter your town that your faction alliance holds. That is my frustration why I am mad and why I write all this and why I think anti-pk is a term that needs to be stop being used and associated with good vs evil.

[Jackall]

Don't start talking again about swarms, please 

By the way, I'm on the same Idea, APK/PK is a useless terminology.

Actually, an APK gang, when it borns, will try for real to set the wastes on justice. Then numbers grow up and someone propose to Town Control. Then most find PVP funny and few keep caring about the real APK terminology, it just becomes a "Don't shoot people on encounter unless if attacked", and you start spending your days on mumble, waiting for a chance to fight anything.

Yet, this distinction made up the different barricades of server's PVP, and I don't see any point of discussing about this: if you define yourself a PVPer, no point in putting everyone in APK/PK categories.
Works anyway good speaking about enemies and allies. When we do some action, we don't shout on mIRC or mumble "zomg PKERS at *insert location name* wanna try smth??!?". Period sounds more like "There are some enemies, probably *insert gang name* in *insert location name*".

[gr1m099]

Don't start talking again about swarms, please 

Yes that is whole other topic and I just writing my frustrating and I am getting off topic. Swarm on Swarm fights are fun, 5 vs a swarm is not, all I well say about that.

Ok I stop writing my frustrations with the game, but I'm glad at least somebody agrees with me that it is stupid term who is in a so called anti-pk faction. And sees it the way I do PvP.

[Wind_Drift]

The double standards that some players display continue to amaze me, though I shouldn't be surprised. I'm used to it by now.

PK and APK isn't the problem here I think.

Some PKs act like asses and *shit in mouth*, but I've had APK players do the same. It's not BECAUSE they're PK/APK, it's because they're juvenile. Which is fine, they have the right to act that way, and I have the right to think they're retarded.

Doesn't matter the topic; swarms, PK/APK, PVP, etc. Fact is some people just like to dish it out but can't take it. Y'all just complain about nothing, and it's funny to me.

APK teams/players - feel free to hunt me down. Blacklist me. Do whatever it is you do, and the more vigorously you do it, the more fun I will have. At the end of the day, I'll still be willing to TC with you in BH. 

It ain't personal to me.

Bluesuits/low level/new players: Please, come for vengeance when you level up. If you kill me next time, I'll be happy for you. Afterall, what comes around goes around.

Whatever your opinion on Avv, he IS right about that. It holds true for everyone... even APK teams.

[ThePhoenix77]

Here's my 2 cents.
Give lead = receive lead.
Don't give lead = receive lead
It doesn't matter what you do people will still kill you.
The only problem I find is when people kill you just for entering an unguarded area and don't even bother checking your corpse.

[Shonsu]

I'm not a PKer I am a PvPer there is no anti-pk and pk, everybody who engages in PvP is a player killer.

You have not endured my frustration with this game and put up with the stupid shit I get from these so called anti-pk factions because I PvP with factions who fight them.

If you have not raged playing this game you have not played it long enough to understand.

If anything everybody has rage at one point, anti-pk was established because they rage over people killing them, so in all reality everybody has raged at one point so its not entirely that funny.

Try fighting these guys when you have 4 people when they have 10 or have them take your town when you are outnumbered, then they well justify their actions saying they are good people and that I'm an outlaw I deserve whats coming to me because I'm not in their faction. That is all these guys do they win because they have numbers, but its justice I'm evil an evil doer lets go on a holy crusade you would rage if you were in my computer chair.

I am part of The Void a PVP faction, we go out looking for other players from other factions to fight, and we are part of BHH WHICH ACTUALLY AGAINST KILLING RANDOM PEOPLE WHO ENTER BROKEN HILLS SO THEY CAN MINE URANIUM FOR ENERGY CRAFTING OR HQ MINERALS. But yet these anti-pk factions come slaughter us take the town ransack our gear when we are outnumbered by their big huge mega 20+ person alliance. And they justify their actions call themselves good guys call it establishing laws when they are nothing more than raiders who hide behind a fake good cause called anti-pk. Its stupid term stop using it they are a PvP group which draws recruits in because people get irritated getting killed by Pkers and they want revenge. And then they treat you like shit when you enter their town to chat with other players and try to put aside pvp and try to make friends and talk with them. Then they expect you to be nice to them when they enter your town that your faction alliance holds. That is my frustration why I am mad and why I write all this and why I think anti-pk is a term that needs to be stop being used and associated with good vs evil.

Oh, I understand your frustration.  I've gone into Gecko/Redding/BH mines, mined the HQ I want. Leave the mines and get shot by someone for the lolz.  I've been killed by all the different PK types.  THe ones who immediately take all your stuff, the ones who don't even check your stuff, and the oddball who checks my stuff but doesn't take anything.  So yes I've been very frustrated at times.

I still haven't killed someone without provocation.  I've killed 3 players (I think).  2 because they shot at me and 1 because he was trying to steal my loot.  PK/APK does have meaning, however being APK can be a slippery slope.  You start off only killing those you know to be PK's & those who shoot at you, but it's possible to become cynical to the point where you assume everyone you meet is just going to shoot anyway so you might as well shoot first.  At which point APK stops being that. 

One last thing...

Wasteland is harsh.... therefore wasteland justice is harsh.  If you haven't you should watch The Devil's Rejects. That might help you to understand.

[Michaelh139]

Now you're putting words in my mouth. I'm just explaining my gameplay mindset. What's wrong with thinking "What goes around comes around"? If you give lead you get lead. I'm not the one hating here or telling others how to play so what's the problem?

Maybe I am getting it out of hand, yeah.  It's pointless arguing about it, but you gotta admit this is entertaining, not just for me you or gr1m but for everyone else .

But I attempt to try to have a very neutral point of view, and I am as everyone knows a "PKer", though terminology like this has pretty much officially been cast aside thank god.  And when you said what I quoted, it felt directed at me, and I have a problem with the "goes around comes around" concept, because it just isn't true.  People who will never have never harmed or done anything wrong in their lives, especially in Real Life, plenty of times get the shit handed to them, for whatever reason, and it felt like you were saying "You need to be punished cus u harr bad boy".

[Wind_Drift]

Wasteland is harsh.... therefore wasteland justice is harsh. 

 

THATS THE SPIRIT!

[gr1m099]

For fuck sakes I write a book and nobody gets the point I'm making. ITS NOT FUCKING JUSTICE GOD DAMNIT ITS PVP NOTHING MORE. This is why I can't stand anti-pk groups.

If you want to go get your little wasteland justice come to broken hills try it and get shot by all the militia And you may be shot by my ruthless Russian friends

Town control isn't fucking justice its PvP if anything its being raiders god damn.

And also I think being nice gets you nowhere in a harsh wasteland, you have to do bad things to survive, and the wasteland's harshness well drive you insane to point where you want to kill everybody.

But sure if it makes you feel better pretending your character is a cop when you guys go town control sure but its still I think its stupid, and I don't really roleplay anything I just play the game to defend broken hills or to go take other towns for PvP action nothing more.

Sure if you want to pretend I'm an outlaw if it makes you feel better for shooting other faction members go for it, I argue PK is freedom so who I am to say that you can't but I still think its stupid, just like how you guys think its stupid for a PKer to say yo momma over your corpse.

I know its a harsh game I have played it long enough to know and I still play it and it is still fun the none less doing PvP. I still enjoy playing the game there are good aspects to it. All this bitter feelings is mostly from when I started these days its easy enough to avoid frustration and when I get Pked or die in a PvP battle I write "get your dirty hands off me" as a joke grab more gear try again no feelings attached, no pretending I'm something I'm not.

In all reality I do not like anti-pk's philosophy I don't really agree with it and think its hypocritical, getting killed by them in a faction vs faction fight isn't really wasteland justice. If anything anti-pk are skilled and smart players and probably the toughest factions to fight, so its very fun to try and defeat them and when we get victory over them it is very satisfying. But I still think they are assholes, I refuse to roleplay cops and robbers with them, and the wall of justice can kiss my ass.

And you know if I feel like it I well go pk somebody, but for the most part you can find me in broken hills protecting it and letting you craft and mine with no problems. If you are in an enemy faction we well shoot you, anti-pk "justice league" does the same exact thing except I don't call myself anti-pk and call people criminals when I do it.