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[Brick]

Fully agree with above. Gr1m what you have stated is very confusing. Also:

...I generally do not think its right to blacklist people because they kill other players in encounters or at mines...

How can you not think its right to blacklist people? If for example someone killed a friend of yours, of course you are going to blacklist them, and thus shoot them the next time you see each them.
In fact you did something similar to me. I entered Broken Hills in bluesuit one day and you shot me on sight, for "associating with tttla" (your words). That is blacklisting.

[gr1m099]

Fully agree with above. Gr1m what you have stated is very confusing. Also:

How can you not think its right to blacklist people? If for example someone killed a friend of yours, of course you are going to blacklist them, and thus shoot them the next time you see each them.
In fact you did something similar to me. I entered Broken Hills in bluesuit one day and you shot me on sight, for "associating with tttla" (your words). That is blacklisting.

Now you know how I feel when I enter redding with the intentions of visiting and chatting with other players. So I do not feel bad what so ever, you and your faction do that to me and other players all the time in redding so its good that somebody from your group at least knows how it feels. Feels like shit don't it, so don't expect me to apologize. I mean really why should I let anybody from your faction roam around in my factions town and be nice when you call me outlaw scum, tell me to go mine ores for you and tell me to go up against the wall to be sprayed and the picture posted on your website? And you know what the stupid part of it all is you guys claim to be white knights of the wastelands and can do no wrong what a fucking joke man.

Then you say you like being the good guy in games when in fact you are no different than PK, because you kill other players sansack gear which is not a good thing in any way what so ever morally, so I prefer to just call it PvP nothing more and anti-pk is a crock of shit and the term should not even be used at all. There is no morality in PvP or being good or bad guy, its no different than gangsters shooting each other over drug truf. I mean isn't that what we do in this game shoot each other for who has control over towns? The morality behind this game is no different than gang bangers controlling turf.

And you know what I'm also in a faction that is about protecting the town making it safe for blue suits to mine and generally try to stop people pking each other but we get attacked all the time and get insulted and taunted all the time also and I generally don't cry about it. Because it is a tactic to taunt other players to lure them away from militia.

And you know whats even funnier and hypocritical, this all started because I shot a Samaritan guy who logged off in town and I thought it would be funny to shoot him because he was stupid enough to log off in an unguarded town, but yet you guys attack Samaritans all the time and you post on your website as an outlaw faction and kill them and take their town from all the time when Samaritans were active!

I have even gone to the extent of asking nicely if I can mine and chat in redding with other players, when its not PvP time and you guys are complete dicks so seriously I do not feel bad about this what-so-ever.

But still I'm not 5, you guys aren't my parents you aren't really the authority so who are guys to say that I need to be punished for my actions and deserve to be punished and seriously fuck your stupid wall of justice shit. You know what my honest to god opinion is of the wall of justice, being deserved to be punished for pking, kiss my ass is what I think honestly.

And you prove my point that the game is about friends and factions, everybody is Anti-PK in that aspect, everybody is like that in this game you mess with one bean you mess with the whole burrito. And that also proves my point that anti-pk factions aren't out to kill pkers who kill noobs or people who are not associated with any factions, you guys are just out there to town control and fight other factions nothing more, so I think the white night I'm god divine because I'm anti-pk is complete utter bull shit.

Well actually anti-pk blacklisting isn't so bad in 2238, I was playing life after mk2 and seen and heard stories what anti-pk is like on tlamk2 server and reqiuem which is a lot worse because they have radar and can find people in encounters a lot easier which I'm sure you guys would love to do in this game.

But you know what, this is exactly what I did not want to post and just wanted to keep this a none faction conflict discussion but you had to bring that up.

[Wind_Drift]

Yeah... see, it's funny when new players whine and moan.

When veteran players do it it's just pathetic.

Seriously. You should know better.

 

[Michaelh139]

Ok... so it's ok if you kill random people you've never met before but it's not ok for someone to attackk you for that?  I really don't see your logic.

I think he is saying it's stupid to kill people just because they killed/kill other people.  It's not about the action in this case, but the reason for the action that really steams him up, and I have to agree.

But whatever.  People will do as they please if they want/can .

[Brick]

Now you know how I feel when I enter redding with the intentions of visiting and chatting with other players... ra de ra ...

I'm not sure where all this came from (or then again im not suprised...), but either way you missed my point completely.
You stated that you don't think blacklisting is right, and that people shouldn't do it. I am stating that blacklisting is a natural response to anything someone does, whether in game or not. Just the simple act of knowing someone kills on sight and that if encountered should be fired upon, signifies blacklisting.

All I was trying to do was dispute your point, I really couldn't care less that you killed me in 'your' town, and everything you just said had nothing to do with anything that I stated.

...so don't expect me to apologize...

Actually that example I gave, you did later apologize for. No take-backs.
The point still stands however, that you did infact blacklist me.

But you know what, this is exactly what I did not want to post and just wanted to keep this a none faction conflict discussion but you had to bring that up.

The problem is with this topic, faction conflicts are a part of it, and if anything has stemmed from faction conflicts, and thus it is difficult in talking about one without the other.
..Though it does seem as if you were the first to bring faction conflicts into the conversation..

[Shonsu]

I think he is saying it's stupid to kill people just because they killed/kill other people.  It's not about the action in this case, but the reason for the action that really steams him up, and I have to agree.

But whatever.  People will do as they please if they want/can .

I know that's what he meant. And that's what I find ridiculous.  Why is it stupid to kill for a reason but it's ok to kill for no reason? It seems to me that there is a segment of PK's who love to yell "WASTELAND IS HARSH" when someone complains about being killed as a bluesuit but then bitch & moan whenever there's consequences for their actions.

[gr1m099]

I think he is saying it's stupid to kill people just because they killed/kill other people.  It's not about the action in this case, but the reason for the action that really steams him up, and I have to agree.

But whatever.  People will do as they please if they want/can .

That is my point exactly.

But you know at least the anti-pk blacklisting isn't as bad as the other fonline game, in this game you well get shot by anti-pk factions if they hold a town or if you enter the town while they are there. Or if you are unlikely running into them in an encounter or they enter yours. In games like requiem and life aftermk2 they can find you in any encounter you are in and kill you and make your gaming experience a living hell, and whats even worse PKers have the same ability so its x10 worse so just be glad that anti-pk isn't that bad in 2238.

I know that's what he meant. And that's what I find ridiculous.  Why is it stupid to kill for a reason but it's ok to kill for no reason? It seems to me that there is a segment of PK's who love to yell "WASTELAND IS HARSH" when someone complains about being killed as a bluesuit but then bitch & moan whenever there's consequences for their actions.

Because its a game with the freedom to do so and the death animations are funny. Its not so much not accepting the consequences, sure there is consequences to everything in life, its hypocritical and the idea of some person behind a computer who probably doesn't even hold an authoritative position in real life trying to say they are the authority and I am here to make you pay for your consequences is just plain stupid. I mean the guys who do this stuff go around and shoot people all day long for pvp action and gear but its righteous because they role play authority or because they are role playing the "good guys".

I'm helpful to people in this game I try to answer people questions when they are new, I generally don't shoot random people in broken hills and make it a safe place to go to for crafters. But to say that they should be the authority and that I must suffer the consequences for shooting somebody who they shoot also is righteous? Its hypocritical, they are allowed to shoot other people and take their towns, but when I do it I must pay the consequences its hypocritical.

And as for people who kill noobs, the new guy always gets the most shit, private in the military gets treated like shit, you are the new guy at work they make you do the most work just how the world can be some times, in other instances killing noobs is more so bullying, some leader of the pack says lets go kill some noobs and people follow because they don't want to be bullied themselves for not joining in.

I don't really kill random people for no reason I do not know why you guys tend to think that of me, I mostly play for pvp, and I prefer to fight other people who are fully leveled. And you know, when you are in an area and you are ready to fight and some guy with a name you don't recognize comes in it is assumed it is proxy scout and sometimes it happens to be a random guy who isn't a proxy scout.

And you know what I'm part of a faction that is against killing random people unless it is a known enemy and help keep one of the mining towns safe how about that? But other factions who call themselves anti-pk come in ransack the place kill us kill the random people who enter and I guess that's justified as justice and suffering the consequences of being in another faction that is not there's. But you know what I am not crying about it, its how this game is its how its suppose to be and its fun to engage in epic battles, but anti-pk and being good guys should not be a term used for these type of players. It should be PvP faction nothing more nothing less no stupid black demon pk and white knight anti-pk thinking just PvP or town control faction.

And you know when I first played this game people would enter my encounters and I would try to talk them be nice try to meet some people make a friend and they end up shooting me, so now I just take the precaution of just shooting them when they enter my encounter when I am leveling a new character.

I am not saying its morally right to kill random people, I just think anti-pk is the stupidest term in the game as associating it as being good a white night, or being wasteland messiahs (that would be a cool faction name). I mean grow up we are not playing cops and robbers on the playground, we are playing where we shoot each other with characters we create, and I think every anti-pk faction or a pk faction should just be called a pvp faction nothing more, there is no morality behind any of it, and people need to stop thinking in terms of black and white.

If somebody has fun killing people then saying yo momma after they kill your level 1 character then so be it they have the freedom to so, sure it can make you mad, its not a very nice thing to do but the game has that option to.

I'm just sick of the term anti-pk its stupid term and the people who claim themselves to be anti-pk as doing no wrong we are the good guys, we are your saviors is just stupid thinking I'm sick of it and needs to stop being used.

[Swinglinered]

To paraphrase Morpheus: "I am trying to Free Their Minds".

Get them to wake up from the Wasteland (Matrix).


The pills just look like dynamite or plasma grenades.

[avv]

Its the wasteland its harsh learn to defend yourself, this is fallout after all you have to accept that there well always be people who prey on the weak, when you are weak and low level you have to accept the fact that there are people out there who well kill you.

But is it also so hard to accept that your actions have consequences? That if you do bad things to someone, him or someone else will do them to you. Nasty things happen to nasty people.

[Brick]

... doesn't even hold an authoritative position in real life trying to say they are the authority and I am here to make you pay for your consequences is just plain stupid...

Firstly, holding an 'authoritive' position in real life has no bearing within a game. Authority is created dependant on the situation.

Second, how can you not understand that your actions have consequences, and that you think these consequences are 'stupid'. What planet were you born on? As Avv stated above, nasty things happen to nasty people.

I am not saying its morally right to kill random people..

This was assumed. I highly doubt anyone here thinks that it is morally right to kill random people.

[gr1m099]

But is it also so hard to accept that your actions have consequences? That if you do bad things to someone, him or someone else will do them to you. Nasty things happen to nasty people.

Sorry I do not believe that making a decision that is morally sound brings magic miracles your way.

Its funny you bring that up when I nice to people, and when I started I wasn't out to PK people, I was nice try not to kill people in encounters I didn't steal their cars if I ran into them, I made a theif character to steal from NPC's and not players. And you know what my "karma" brought me if that is what your refering to, getting PKed none stopped, my car stolen by a pker who entered my encounter at the most random location on the map which nobody would really be around.,I would get town sprayed constantly by suicide sprayers, my cars would get stuck in encounters which were difficult to get out, and I got tent followed by a jackass who thought it was funny to kill me with unarmed when I wasn't paying attention, but the tent was empty he did not get anything.  When I was mean to people, kill them for no apparent reason, did some suicide sprays myself and use my thief to steal their stuff good things came my way like finding gauss pistols and special encounters, I got PK'd less, I got in and out of mines with no problems without bumping into random PKers.

You know to tell you guys the truth this game pisses me the fuck off, pking somebody is good stress reliever knowing that you made the game that much more frustrating for somebody is satisfying if you ask me after something pisses or somebody pisses you off in this game.

When I am in good mood I tend not to do random PK.

And I'm sure you guys find this all funny, and going to try to find holes in my logic and try to convince others I am wrong and stupid, or call me a noob but you know what at least I got to vent because if you play this game long enough you well get angry and bitter.

So really all you noobs out there who cry about PK or something frustrating I don't give a flying fuck because I have had every frustrating happen to me possible and had to put up with a stupid shit community, and trying to be good and nice in this game got me nowhere.

[avv]

Sorry I do not believe that making a decision that is morally sound brings magic miracles your way.

But players hunting down people they think are nasty aren't magic. They exist. If I see someone I don't know in Gasstation preview, I won't jump on him. But if he's a known playerkiller I might. It's common practice in antipk teams to ask if they know someone before he's jumped on or shot.

I don't mind pks, they bring action in this game. But I don't like it when pks complain when they get what they deserve.

[Michaelh139]

I don't mind pks, they bring action in this game. But I don't like it when pks complain when they get what they deserve.

This is where I should call you names for being a total dick.

Pks are "Bad" or "EVILLZ" sure, they'll call you names and go shit on your corpse like a child, but having such a mindset is just disgusting.  Even for just a video game.  You're basically saying all pk are children who need to be punished and you're the "Big Daddy" to do it. (haha bioshock reference?)  I don't know if you think you're jesus or something and I don't care, saying something like that is just wrong.  It makes you sound like a self-righteous pig, which I think most would agree is much worse than a child, though I wouldn't be surprised if you had this mindset if you're a police officer...  They all seem brainwashed into this.

[gr1m099]

But players hunting down people they think are nasty aren't magic. They exist. If I see someone I don't know in Gasstation preview, I won't jump on him. But if he's a known playerkiller I might. It's common practice in antipk teams to ask if they know someone before he's jumped on or shot.

I don't mind pks, they bring action in this game. But I don't like it when pks complain when they get what they deserve.

So you think everybody who is in an enemy faction deserves to die because they are "outlaws" "evil" "do not do nice things" when in fact you are in new reno to do pvp action and nothing more? I do not see how this is any different and its still player killing.  Calling this anti-pk is stupid, you are looking for enemy factions to fight, kill, and gain some self confidence and celebrate in victory with the reward of some loot. Its PvP nothing more nothing less nothing right or wrong its a game we fight each other simple.

Its all just PvP, all factions do that they see somebody in gas station preview and its somebody in enemy faction they jump in. Some people just believe that if you are not an ally or friend of faction you are in you are against everybody who isn't.

You anti-pks are just a bunch of player killers everybody who does PvP is a player killer there is nothing that is against that. IF anything anti-pk should be term used for person who doesn't engage in PvP that makes more sense than being a pvp faction who shoots people you don't like.

And yes Michaelh139, my point exactly, you guys sound like you want to role play dad wagging his fingure and put people in time out because his pixel shot another pixel. I mean sure Pkers can be jerks and they right stupid things to you after they kill you and it is childish but that's what they enjoy doing in the game they have every right to. I wouldn't call it morally correct, and sure its not a nice thing to do, but you know its a video game, and the guy doesn't need "daddy" to come along to tell him that it isn't right and should be punished for their actions.

[Kilgore]

Come on, it's only avv - our local Well of Wisdom About Powerplaying, Gangs, PKing and Everything Else.

Don't look inside of it too much or you may fall and drown.