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[Winston WoIf]

Maybe they're a bunch of crazies who came across some pre-war gear for commando squads and are now rampaging and pillaging wherever they go :>.

That kinda reminds me of the little kids back in kindergarten who always said "You can't kill me, I took an invincible potion" when we were playing knights or something.

2 x 3 macht 4, Widdewiddewitt und Drei macht Neune. Ich mach' mir die Welt, Widdewidde wie sie mir gefällt.

The german guys will know what I mean. 

[Badger]

Nuh-uh! I had my forcefield up!

[Keldorn]

My question is what happens when the griefers are bored??  Not only did they drive away a significant portion of playerbase and potential pvpers, but they then wonder why everythings so boring because there is nobody around to kill.  Said griefers then quit until next era when folks decide to give the new wipe a chance and continue the cycle of stupidity.

Folks need to look at the BIGGER picture.  What purpose do griefers serve?  Do they help encourage a larger playerbase which then tests the servers limits in every way imaginable?  They argue they are the backbone of the Fonline community.  Well thats great for the 300 or so remaining but what happens when a big portion of those quit?  There is a reason why so many towns are just friggin dead out there.

Point:  Griefing others and making the whole server boring, just for a few minutes of giggles, then returning to the same boredom because of said griefing is an exercise in futility.

[Badger]

Well thats great for the 300 or so remaining but what happens when a big portion of those quit? 

It's a circular argument. Some people say that the harshness encourages players, as it's a unique selling point for the game. Others think that it alienates and frustrates more players than it draws in.

I think it puts off more players than it encourages, but I'm prepared to accept I might be wrong. I don't think either argument can be proven without a comprehensive study into why people stop playing/have no interest in 2238.

[yoz]

Play it nice, or don't play it at all.

[Aaron Tiger]

That's better.

[JovankaB]

I have nothing against PK, the problem is that currently the game promotes killing everyone except your friends on sight. I don't like that, it's not Falloutish at all, it's Quakeish. Dying is meaningless, like in first person shooter. You just respawn, restock and go back to fight. It's the essence of shooter genre. I think killing everyone you don't know should have some harsh consequences that would make it possible to play like this, but a lot harder. Living as outlaw should be harder not easier. I would like to play a raider who has to sneak around because everyone wants to kill me, but right now the situation is that peacful people in towns have to sneak around because everyone want to kill them and nobody will help. It has nothing to do with Fallout world as it was presented in the single player games. The only town where it's the other way is Redding, and it requires a lot of effort from so called anti-pks and a situation on server when a lot of people are so bored, they just let the project live.

[wreese2u]

I have nothing against PK, the problem is that currently the game promotes killing everyone except your friends on sight. I don't like that, it's not Falloutish at all, it's Quakeish. Dying is meaningless, like in first person shooter. You just respawn, restock and go back to fight. It's the essence of shooter genre. I think killing everyone you don't know should have some harsh consequences that would make it possible to play like this, but a lot harder. Living as outlaw should be harder not easier. I would like to play a raider who has to sneak around because everyone wants to kill me, but right now the situation is that peacful people in towns have to sneak around because everyone want to kill them and nobody will help. It has nothing to do with Fallout world as it was presented in the single player games. The only town where it's the other way is Redding, and it requires a lot of effort from so called anti-pks and a situation on server when a lot of people are so bored, they just let the project live.

Raiders are like pkers, dont shoot anyone besides friends, i dont see anyone complaining about them..
people complain about pkers to get a reaction out of people

[JovankaB]

Raiders are like pkers, dont shoot anyone besides friends, i dont see anyone complaining about them..
people complain about pkers to get a reaction out of people

I didn't see any raiders geting into town, kiling every player and then doing normal business with merchants like nothing happened.

I think it would be great if PKs could do ambushes on desert like raiders, and do other stuff like that, but give towns more cooperation and "PvE" features (something like kill dogs quest but bigger and not so primitive - like exploring some random mutant bunkers, raiders camps and so on).

[Michaelh139]

I think it would be great if PKs could do ambushes on desert like raiders, and do other stuff like that.

  But you can do that...  Just go to a tile near ncr or Hub, go into an encuonter, and wait :>.

[Aaron Tiger]

Raiders are like pkers, dont shoot anyone besides friends, i dont see anyone complaining about them..
people complain about pkers to get a reaction out of people

Lol. NO, they don't. And being a "raider" doesn't qualify you to exterminate everyone in your path.

[John Henry]

I kill "PKers", if not, they kill me. Bluesuits or people that turn and walk away I dont kill. No sport.

Oh and btw, Im a raider.

[Keldorn]

Atleast you know raiders are NPC hostiles.  Pkers say peace then kill you.  They decieve and lie and adds to paranoia.  NPCs don't setup ambushes by placing mercs on spawn grid. 

[John Henry]

It's a circular argument. Some people say that the harshness encourages players, as it's a unique selling point for the game. Others think that it alienates and frustrates more players than it draws in.

I think it puts off more players than it encourages, but I'm prepared to accept I might be wrong. I don't think either argument can be proven without a comprehensive study into why people stop playing/have no interest in 2238.

Harshness encourages a certain kind of players, I'd say. "A sociopath breeding ground", is the sumup a therapist used when describing WoW for example after he had analysed the social (or lack of) environment in it for a couple of months.

LOL!!!!  You gotta give me the link to this guy, because if he thinks "WoW" is a sociopath breeding ground.....

It's time to introduce him to Fonline.

I cant think of any link at the top of my mind, but if you do google "A sociopath breeding ground" I'm quite certain you will find it. In fact, what google should say if you google those words is "Did you mean World of Warcraft?".

[Michaelh139]

Harshness encourages a certain kind of players, I'd say. "A sociopath breeding ground", is the sumup a therapist used when describing WoW for example after he had analysed the social (or lack of) environment in it for a couple of months.

LOL!!!!  You gotta give me the link to this guy, because if he thinks "WoW" is a sociopath breeding ground.....

It's time to introduce him to Fonline.