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[Marko69]

Clearly

I don't know, I'll try both...

[eBay]

its not plasma rifle ...
critical hits are too powerfull + avenger has been nerfed too much
lsw that can be looted + uses less ammo and its ammo is cheaper does more dmg than the avenger ...
to be honest every single thing does more dmg than avenger
i can bet that if i get a proper build with 10 luck and 10 mm pistol i can win more than 1/2 fights vs a guy with avenger

[Frosti]

About whines about world map speed - those people who are mad on it are only mad couse they cant cheat it with multilogs ( like they do with crafting). Thats the truth.

[Crazy]

its not plasma rifle ...
critical hits are too powerfull + avenger has been nerfed too much
lsw that can be looted + uses less ammo and its ammo is cheaper does more dmg than the avenger ...
to be honest every single thing does more dmg than avenger
i can bet that if i get a proper build with 10 luck and 10 mm pistol i can win more than 1/2 fights vs a guy with avenger

And don't forget that avenger have lost 2 perks do deal these shitty damages!

[Solar]

its not plasma rifle ...
critical hits are too powerfull + avenger has been nerfed too much
lsw that can be looted + uses less ammo and its ammo is cheaper does more dmg than the avenger ...
to be honest every single thing does more dmg than avenger
i can bet that if i get a proper build with 10 luck and 10 mm pistol i can win more than 1/2 fights vs a guy with avenger

A LSW does this much damage compared to the Avenger

Armour      Fraction of Avenger Damage
None   0.5
LJ   0.7
LA   0.8
LA2   0.8
CLJ   0.8
M   0.8
M2   0.8
Tesla   0.7
CA   0.8
CA2   0.8
BCA   0.77

DPS-wise, the only critical hit weapon that comes near an Avenger is the Plasma. Its probably needs reducing back to 24 hexes, but I was sick of people moaning about it not being used. Hense we have a little experiment.

Of course if  you'd prefer to make outlandish hyped up comments about weapons, ignore these facts and continue

[Crazy]

If you have more than double crit chance because you picked up 2 more crit instead of 2 BRD, your DPS increase, but we can't see it on your numbers.
Maybe there should be only one BRD which give +4?

[eBay]

A LSW does this much damage compared to the Avenger

Armour      Fraction of Avenger Damage
None   0.5
LJ   0.7
LA   0.8
LA2   0.8
CLJ   0.8
M   0.8
M2   0.8
Tesla   0.7
CA   0.8
CA2   0.8
BCA   0.77

DPS-wise, the only critical hit weapon that comes near an Avenger is the Plasma. Its probably needs reducing back to 24 hexes, but I was sick of people moaning about it not being used. Hense we have a little experiment.

Of course if  you'd prefer to make outlandish hyped up comments about weapons, ignore these facts and continue

dude just get the avenger and go play ur so called pvp every single player will tell u that lsw is better than avenger

[Solar]

I did numbers on if it was better to go BRD or crits. BRD won. Thats why you'll always see BRD and not crits for bursts from me.

dude just get the avenger and go play ur so called pvp every single player will tell u that lsw is better than avenger

You can read the numbers yourself. It doesn't need me to add anything.

[eBay]

u have numbers i have experience + i know how perks work, i have made tons of alts have been using all weapons against all armors in many places, im the professor here ;]

what kind of ammo did u use making that test ?
jhp or ap or both of them ?
did u think about +2 Dt/5 % DR perks of target and how they change dps ?
did u think about -20 % ac mod of .223 ammo ?


and one more thing, if u mean avenger then u are right its better to go BRD b/c it does weak dmg many times,
lsw does 25 or even more x few hits its better to go critics b/c u will get bigger dmg in the end thats what crazy meant

[Marko69]

Hold on, big guns still have longer range then plasma rifles. The big gunner should get his 2 bursts before plasma rifle comes in range, I don't see wheres the problem here?

[zubrowka]

fast shot was nerfed and minigun got nerfed and plasma got longer range? what's wrong with you people?

[maszrum]

yep i dont get it :/ in next week or two we will have only plasma alts on server

[Solar]

I'll do the numbers tonight on Plasma, anecdotes are pretty meaningless - just look at how wrong ebay is based on them.

Small sample experience < Numbers.

As said, if theres a problem it can be changed, it doesn't need pages of the same thing being repeated.

[Ned Logan]

Nice that you are going to make the calculations Solar, I just want to say, please count with the perks, stats and traits used by powerbuilds, which is what mostly is used in PvP...

[Solar]

Well, stats and traits aren't in a finished state, so I don't tend to bother with toughness or more crits as they won't be taken by everyone in the end. I stick to the fundamental ones - BRoF, 2*BRD and Better crits.

The minor ups and downs to all aspects that other traits and perks then just serve to mix the balance up a bit.