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[virus341]

And we know lots of powerbuilds is supported by not legit ways - and legit players have no chance to catch up with 'cheaters'.

What cheating? Exp diminishing was removed, you can be 21 with any build in a week or two without sitting at your computer for 15 hours per day. What else do you need to make your powerbuild?
It is just "take 10mm pistol and ammo and go kill scorps" now. Or centaurs with BG. Or whatever you like. Monotonous, but very fast.

[Drakonis]

What cheating? Exp diminishing was removed, you can be 21 with any build in a week or two without sitting at your computer for 15 hours per day. What else do you need to make your powerbuild?
It is just "take 10mm pistol and ammo and go kill scorps" now. Or centaurs with BG. Or whatever you like. Monotonous, but very fast.

by catch up i doubt he meant experiance points/levels. Alting lets you get your stuff faster easier more effectively and most important.. Independently from other players. While normal people have to actually put efford in getting stuff they desire, our jack of all trades alter will first login his protected miners to dig some minerals. then he will safetly taxi them to his craft that will make them into anything he wants. And everything that without cooperating with other players(unless he's a member of faction, so he has friends to protect him while he's getting HQ components

[geraioptuaer]

Actually alting is incredibly slow because you logout with one char have to wait 10 mins, log in with next do your stuff, then log out another 10 mins to change. So its actually quicker to just use one character for must stuff.

Only real advantage is dual loggers who cheat, or for crafting different items then a seperate pvp char.

[avv]

Actually alting is incredibly slow because you logout with one char have to wait 10 mins, log in with next do your stuff, then log out another 10 mins to change. So its actually quicker to just use one character for must stuff.

Only real advantage is dual loggers who cheat, or for crafting different items then a seperate pvp char.

It's just 20 minutes, we're talking about weeks here. When you go kill someone, or craft 20 plasma rifles it doesn't matter if it took you 20 mins to switch to that char. It only matters what you're doing on the present moment and what will be the outcome after that.

One char cannot be doctor, armorsmith, weaponsmith, fighter and barter dude. It shouldn't be surprising that alts are a major problem of this game.

[geraioptuaer]

Well I don't think they are problem, without alts I think game would be too limited. Anyway i'm pretty sure there's no way to stop alting as it is.

Something like oh you can be really good at using big guns but you cannot make weapons... At least in other mmos the merchant will always have a gun you want with plenty of ammo.

[avv]

Well I don't think they are problem, without alts I think game would be too limited. Anyway i'm pretty sure there's no way to stop alting as it is.

Limited? You can get everything from other players, besides it's completely possible to make fighter crafter. The problem is just the high potential of chars forces players to arms race because character build has so high role in pvp.

Way to stop alting would be to lower the potential to be good at one thing and raise the floor to suck at something (who wants to play a char with 3ap?).
Then make it so that it's more productive to play one char long time rather than many chars short time. And I don't mean higher level cap, but for example reputation. The more you do, the more you get rep. Rep unlocks nice stuff which you cannot get otherwise for that character only.

Something like oh you can be really good at using big guns but you cannot make weapons... At least in other mmos the merchant will always have a gun you want with plenty of ammo.

You can buy the weapons from other players, this is multiplayer game after all. It's just that we don't have a nice player-player trade system. And what's stopping you from being crafter-fighter? It's just that we don't have a nice player-player trade system. And what the hell? Gunrunners, Jacob in hub and san fran shopkeepers all sell lsw, plasma rifles, rocket launchers and miniguns.

[geraioptuaer]

Limited? You can get everything from other players,

Only if they are online at same time as you, or is someone you can trust. Trust is rare in wasteland. My real life friends don't play this game either.

Also I can no longer talk to gunrunners because there was dialogue option to insult shopkeeper and then you can NEVER talk to him again (stupid idea but hey)

[avv]

Only if they are online at same time as you, or is someone you can trust. Trust is rare in wasteland. My real life friends don't play this game either.

So? Can't you see that there's perhaps something wrong with that trade doesnt work because players don't meet? Maybe the game lacks a better player to player trade system. Such system is must for all mmo games where items play important role.

You're free to give feedback and speculate the current game matters instead of just adapting to the present ways no matter what. It's beta stage, feedback is extremely important.

[Drakonis]

Well I don't think they are problem, without alts I think game would be too limited. Anyway i'm pretty sure there's no way to stop alting as it is.

Something like oh you can be really good at using big guns but you cannot make weapons... At least in other mmos the merchant will always have a gun you want with plenty of ammo.

Scrapping skill points system could work(its good only for single player). You would no longer get skill points per character level, your skills would increase while using them / performing various actions. Of course tagged skills would not have a limit and could be trained easier, and for non tagged skills you would recive exp penalty, but everybody should be still able to reach a maximum of 150% in non-tagged skills as a reward for weeks/months/years of playing Fonline with ONE character.


Just like avv said. Make the game profit and encourage playing with just one character a long time rather than many characters for short periods of time.

[Lareth]

I made a guy who fights melee so no perception needed. Hes did good fighting critters at lvl 2 onwards, and is doing ok at lvl 5  I think he's five. He's a brute and can kill higer level people easily.

I make my money quite easy as well, not millions at this low level but I manage simply and safely. For me the game isnt about being the best all the time, like nerds nowadays seem to throve to be. I manage and enjoy myself.

If you want to be best, go outside and do shit. You ll never be anything staring at a monitor.

[avv]

He's a brute and can kill higer level people easily.

And how exactly he can do this?

[gordulan]

i think it's in TB

[Drakonis]

I think it's Alice in wonderland. Ugh i mean wasteland

[Lareth]

And how exactly he can do this?

By beating the shit out of them.

[Drakonis]

By beating the shit out of them.

Nice little imagination you have there, bro. Good luck becomin a PKer with brute unarmed Have you consider a pokemon master carrier instead XD?