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[Roachor]

Cripple chance (for arms) is currently the highest its ever been.

Which sucks for bgers as they don't have one handed weps

[Bulldog]

Which sucks for bgers as they don't have one handed weps

Wow, the second thing after drugs that can make BG unhappy, lets remove drugs and make their arms invulnerable to crippling, imagine some armour plated gloves that come with a minigun as a bonus!

[gordulan]

or we could add an oversized handgun for the big gunners

[Bulldog]

or we could add an oversized handgun for the big gunners

Yeah, do so, so that BG won't need tons of ammo to lvl up, great idea.

[Michaelh139]

Think of it this way.

With shotgun you never miss.
With shotgun you always get best result.
Even if the result isn't the best.
Its consistent.
Burtal against sneakers/bluesuits.

Just burst your ass off and you'll be satisfied.

[Bulldog]

Think of it this way.

With shotgun you never miss.
With shotgun you always get best result.
Even if the result isn't the best.
Its consistent.
Burtal against sneakers/bluesuits.

Just burst your ass off and you'll be satisfied.

Hm... brutal against sneakers and bluesuits, hell yeah if they don't wear armour, and now compare it to a minigun with like JHP ammo for example, besides, who would go hunting bluesuits, only assholes because that's lame, bluesuits are most likely nubs, cause an experienced player knows what to do and how to obtain gear fast, besides experienced players don't hang out in unguarded towns cause it's a sure death due to the fact that there are people like you who just spend their time killing bluesuits and ruining the beginners game experience. And the last thing I'd like to add is the thing that you should first read the name of the topic, let me help you "shotguns in pvp-useless" the main word here is PVP, not killing defenceless nubs.

[Michaelh139]

Hm... brutal against sneakers and bluesuits, hell yeah if they don't wear armour, and now compare it to a minigun with like JHP ammo for example, besides, who would go hunting bluesuits, only assholes because that's lame, bluesuits are most likely nubs, cause an experienced player knows what to do and how to obtain gear fast, besides experienced players don't hang out in unguarded towns cause it's a sure death due to the fact that there are people like you who just spend their time killing bluesuits and ruining the beginners game experience. And the last thing I'd like to add is the thing that you should first read the name of the topic, let me help you "shotguns in pvp-useless" the main word here is PVP, not killing defenceless nubs.

Way to rage man I never said I killed bluesuits but I do kill sneakers of which are normally bluesuits or leather jackets (btw Leather jackets are practically useless against a combat shotgun) so don't assume I'm some Ass Bsker but as i've already admitted I almost always kill bluesuits who enter my encounter.

Hell on my way back to ncr from tent I came across some newbies that were exping molerats, one had a flamer 78hp the other magneto laser 48hp.  I have 135 hp, assault rifle and plenty perfect ammo/range to pk them, but I didnt.    Don't ask for a log I didn't think that situation would be worth mentioning in the future.

[Bulldog]

Way to rage man I never said I killed bluesuits but I do kill sneakers of which are normally bluesuits or leather jackets (btw Leather jackets are practically useless against a combat shotgun) so don't assume I'm some Ass Bker but as i've already admitted I almost always kill bluesuits who enter my encounter.

Hell on my way back to ncr from tent I came across some newbies that were exping molerats, one had a flamer 78hp the other magneto laser 48hp.  I have 135 hp, assault rifle and plenty perfect ammo/range to pk them, but I didnt.    Don't ask for a log I didn't think that situation would be worth mentioning in the future.

Man, don't you get it, we are discussing serious pvp, not some half-naked 48 hp players. Do you think you could stand a chance vs a BG in CA, wearing the same armour, even if he had a minigun, not an avenger and didn't have the BRD perks? I doubt that.

[Michaelh139]

Man, don't you get it, we are discussing serious pvp, not some half-naked 48 hp players. Do you think you could stand a chance vs a BG in CA, wearing the same armour, even if he had a minigun, not an avenger and didn't have the BRD perks? I doubt that.

Being a Charisma character as long as I have my mercs backing me up yes against ONE I probably could.

Besides sneak naders are serious killers.

[Bulldog]

Come on guys, we need that shotguns fix.

[Bulldog]

Being a Charisma character as long as I have my mercs backing me up yes against ONE I probably could.

Besides sneak naders are serious killers.

And what the hell, we're discussing shotguns damage, not plasma nades.

[TwistedIndoctrine]

If nothing else Shotguns need some different ammo options I think. I'd like to see incendiary or white phospherous or even flachette rounds heh. It's not like NATO's chilling out in the Calfornia wasteland condemning people for warcrimes in their choice of munitions heh. 12 gauge buck shot hits pretty hard but let's be honest it doesn't do nearly so much as a rifled round would. Mean while while incendiary or explosive shotgun rounds would be better than sex out in the wasteland.

[gordulan]

nothing is better than sex, not even out in the wasteland, sex is the ultimate hobby

[Bulldog]

Well then let's convince the mods to make high tier shotguns sexy!

[Bulldog]

please read this thread http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=8874.msg76131#msg76131


PS F*cking hilarious idea, GJ devs, u've just killed this weapon