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yeah!!!

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mabe

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dunno

5 (4.4%)

no

15 (13.3%)

wtf is wrong with you

32 (28.3%)

Total Members Voted: 112

[DeputyDope]

iam glad you shared your feelings and emotions. Sometimes its realy necessary to release them, no matter what. But then people usualy calm down and overview things with detachment.
If you would be able to name wrong things, i would gladly read next textwall with a content.

the wrong things have been written a crapload of times before and they were also written in zuhardu's posts, but you probably skipped first year of school, namely the reading classes.

[C.H.A.R.L.I.E]

I think the game should have been wiped after the stealing \ mining update. Because it changed alot of things and some characters aren't so useful anymore.

Anyway, Jovanka said in another thread that blueprints will have to be fixed before any wipe would happen.

[greenthumb]

Well maybe iam just dumb or ignorant. But could anybody try to explain me what would wipe change for:

A/Newcomers
B/PvP players
C/Overall server situation

Thanks in advance

[Mayck]

Well maybe iam just dumb or ignorant. But could anybody try to explain me what would wipe change for:

A/Newcomers
B/PvP players
C/Overall server situation

Thanks in advance

The arms race starts all over again...

There are still things that need to be finished, nerfed, buffed before we can do wipe.

[greenthumb]

The arms race starts all over again...

There are still things that need to be finished, nerfed, buffed before we can do wipe.

A/Wipe would make all players  become newcomers, so it might have some value for these, but in current situation newcomers arent distracted from game by any overarmed apes too. Only missing is PC interaction, becouse of lack of players. But whats the real reason of they absence? I have to say, as first its just TLAMK2, then its stupid rumours,gossips and whinings spread all over community, most of them based on another stupid rumours, gossips or whinings.

B/I believe its a bad idea for PvPers to wipe, it will delete all their alts and stuff. They will be forced to farm/craft/level all of them again. I though its smthing what would PVPers gladly prevent. Am i wrong? How does arms race influence individual town controls? Since all PVP stuff is available for PVPers (in their bases right now),in case of wipe it would be like a week to gather all stuff again, but whats the major diffrence? Do PVP apes desire to have 1 week of PVE fun before doing PVP again? Seems i though wrong again, PVPers dont like TC itself but they love PVE actualy, at least they need it by time to time.

C/I admit wipe would might increase number of players slightly.But why people are not playing right now, but they would play if just wipe would happen??? Nothing would change, just history of your gaming has to be deleted to be able continue playing again? Another mystery for me.

I didnt find a point for restarting arms race again, i see only deficit for anybody who used to play. No funnier TC, No more helpful situation for newcomers, Not easier farming/crafting/whatever, just instant loose of what you made to be able have fun, So why we need restart arms race once we are all well armed and looking for fight?

[DeputyDope]

I didnt find a point for restarting arms race again, i see only deficit for anybody who used to play. No funnier TC, No more helpful situation for newcomers, Not easier farming/crafting/whatever, just instant loose of what you made to be able have fun, So why we need restart arms race once we are all well armed and looking for fight?

the game stops being fun the moment you have to beg players on irc/channel 0/ncr/whatever to come pvp.

[greenthumb]

yes,true dope, but whats the real objective reason/s they left?

As first soties left becouse of quite fair feature with iddler, simply 99% "cheaters" had problems with it + Tlamk2 wiped in same time. That made them just convert to another game, then avalanche of various whine threads began, it made many people without opinion take opinions of this numerous threads. And now we are dealing with so low amount of players. What's objective reason to leave 2238 except new server in old f2 style? Simply none or almost none. Becouse SS crafting is realy good right now, Gathering except gatlings/mfc/5mm ap is same as it was. No slight changes and it will most likely improve with updates.

Now people who left, demands wipe or another rollbacks to bring them they old environment. But they do not even realize, they on their own created this players absence. They left, but they want players here.... Just like a weird democratic country.

[DeputyDope]

yes,true dope, but whats the real objective reason/s they left?

-stealing nerfed
-bombing nerfed
-trade broken
-encouragement of pounding rocks day in and day out to slowly get gear to be able to pvp
-unsafe crafting locations to craft even 10mmSMG
-pointless grinding to get access to "safe" advanced workbenches.
-ninja "fixes"(e.g.  randomly changing shit in mid-session to make your characters obsolete)
-pointless blueprints grinding to craft even shit gear
-incomplete crafting
-bad NPC balance in random encounters
-NPCs ninja-loot
-awful character imbalance
-useless skills
-lack of improvement on the generated maps on the world map, which leads to shit respawn spots and lack of variety to world map pvp.
-lack of vision
-lack of dev/player interaction
-boring repeatable quests
-lack of game content that wouldn't break game balance (bozar, yk32 pulse pistol, NCR armor etc)
-useless nerfs (e.g.. crippling mutants at gunrunners quest and not being able to pick up their weapons)
-pointless lockers that can't be opened.
-abusive GMs
-pointless alting (e.g. getting gear from hinkley for a low intelligence character)

[Zuczek]

True.

[C.H.A.R.L.I.E]

The arms race starts all over again...

This is sort of an existential issue for the game, like what is the ultimate point exactly? It seems that most people have completed the game 1,5 years into a season, and there is nothing left to do. Building up infrastrcuture such as tents, making your trade\crafter\miner\farmer\ alts, PvP alts, and the so called arms race, IS the game in my opinion. Therefore i think 1,5+ year season is too long.

in case of wipe it would be like a week to gather all stuff again, but whats the major diffrence? Do PVP apes desire to have 1 week of PVE fun before doing PVP again?

This myth again, that after a week everyones fully geared. Just not true.

[Lotus_]

The arms race starts all over again...

There are still things that need to be finished, nerfed, buffed before we can do wipe.

well do that with the wipe, thats what the wipe is isnt it bringing to ideas to the game and restarting it? also i really think that you should add a voteing system to things before you start nerfing and destroying the game further this is why people are leaving because devs made it unplayable man cant you tell why everyone is whineing and leaving? if you change things you should make a vote see if its dooable before doing it this is what pisses people off, wipe the game add the new feautures with the wipe, fix the crafting system like bfore maybe, last session you nearly had this game right? but making it more confusing and annoying just isint playable and makes people leave, all these things you need to do just add it in the wipe and wipe the fucking game

and even though i hate dope what hes saying is true

[Nice_Boat]

Here's some food for thought: how many people will stop playing after the wipe due to losing their gear, which obviously isn't free anymore and no matter what Jovanka says will require some painful crafting-related grind because there's no viable way of farming stuff? It's pretty safe to assume the arms race is not going to restart because the gangs have all left, so you're probably not going to recreate the surge that's been associated with people rebuilding their logistics. Nessies are just the background noise, for them wipe or no wipe doesn't matter and they will give you something like 5-15 players on the server depending on the time of the day - but the few regulars who are still clinging to 2238 might actually feel forced to leave because they won't have the help of their teammates to go through the early game.

Basically, you guys are screwed either way. If you don't wipe people are going to feel cheated due to all the changes to the economy in this session and will continue being butthurt due to having to work with a different set of rules than the players who accumulated their wealth back in the beggining of the session - and if you wipe, you're going to lose players because early game is horrible for loners and there are no organized groups left.

The only way you could salvage this server would be to scrap most of the changes and backtrack to something like the 2010 version of the game, but then again the attitude you've shown over the last few weeks will leave many people refusing to play out of spite... and if that wasn't bad enough, even more people would just expect more bullshit in the future and save themselves the trouble of going through the same experience of witnessing the slow deterioration of the server again.

I'm sorry to say this, but there are no good options left for 2238 and in a year it's going to look like one of Xenom's projects. Your backs are firmly pressed against the wall and there's nothing you can do to stop the slide towards the server population of 0-20 aside from doing something that you've proven to be psychologically incapable of, like replacing some of the devs. Basically, you're back to day 1, 2009 - but this time there's butthurt instead of hype.

Congratulations, I'm pretty sure there's plenty of people that couldn't do worse even if they tried.

[Floodnik]

Are we ever going to get the 2238 we want? Probably not.
Memento mori. Looks like everything has its end.

[Mike Crosser]

Are we ever going to get the 2238 we want? Probably not.
Memento mori. Looks like everything has its end.

I thought the next update was unicorns!

[Furior]

Devs must realize that we play for fun. 2238 must be harsh, but that doesnt mean we have to losing OUR TIME doing stupid things like opening a fucking insane quantity of chests to be able to craft the basic stuff and forcing us to MAX all the damn skills (to open chest, 300 lockpick;to get mercs, 300speech; steal, sneak, barter, all the same). They have to stop trolling us implementing features like: Int to get stuff in hinkley (they perfectly know the characters who go there doesnt have IN. They may want us to fight with crafters, btw...), implementing recipes which mats are not implemented yet, giving us +1 perk (lvl 24 perk) but forcing crit builts to waste it just to be as good as they were while the other builts can get much more hp or damage, removing the brotherhood armor to make pvp battles shorter, nerfing ew (im not talking about gatling laser..). Devs please....If you want to have chances to improve this game, please, before implementing something, THINK!. And dont forget you can ask opinions here in the forum about new features before implementing them.

A wipe + big changes in game, thats the last hope of 2238.