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[Marrxman]

Honestly, why are people always so mad at PKers? Its a part of the game. I was PK'ed thousands of times as a bluesuit, but you know what, the people killing you are just having fun. Pking is a valid game mechanic, and if you crusade against them and flame PKers, you are just missing out on part of the game. You don't have to partake in it, so leave those who do alone. I want civil discusiion against Pkers in this thread, not the ones who go "LOL I OWNED YOU NOOB GO BACK TO WoW LULZ", but the ones who say sorry, wrong place wrong time, and you run into them in town and can laugh about it later. Im looking at you Gokhanz .

[Who Killed Bambi]

"LOL I OWNED YOU NOOB GO BACK TO WoW LULZ"

i dont like 1/10 pkers for this speech

[Wipe]

http://www.thenoobcomic.com/index.php?pos=68

[Luther Blissett]

I'd disagree with "You don't have to partake in it", and I guess that's what most people complain about. You go about, minding your own business, and then you die.

I've probably been killed about 3 or 4 times by people who were civil, and to be fair, I didn't mind so much in these cases. The other times, it's probably a 50%-50% split between "An encounter loads and you're already dead before the scene has even loaded" and "You're fighting against some NPCs and suddenly you're blown up by a rocket / shot to pieces from somewhere for no reason".

I think the main problem I have with it personally, is there's rarely any "fight" in it. It's not often like an epic and exciting battle between two players, with shots going back and forth, with tactics and skill, until one eventually dies and the other escapes with heavy wounds. It most often seems (from my perspective at least) to be a sniper or rocket launcher kills the other person in one shot, normally before they're even aware of any opposition.

Rather than it feeling like a game mechanic of player combat, it feels much more like the equivalent of a game suddenly crashing with an error, and you have to reload an old save from half an hour ago and redo everything again.

To be fair, I think I've had one good PVP battle, when I was quite new. Both myself and the opposition had Desert Eagles or something similar, like low level stuff, probably with leather jackets or leather armour. We were probably of a similar level, and I was collecting some Gecko skins after killing them. He arrived and wanted to fight over the loot. We shot each other a few times, I crippled his legs, thought I had the upper hand... then my gun deteriorated to broken, so I tried to outrun him, and he got a beautiful lucky long range shot in my head and I died. That was actually really good fun. I didn't mind it, because there was actually something of a fight in it. It was exciting.

I can't speak about town control, or gang vs gang warfare or anything, as I've never done either. I'm a fairly casual player. It's just a shame that I've had about one of those good battles, compared to so many of the surprise insta-deaths.

[edit] That cartoon above probably says it better than I did

[AphexTwin]

I'd disagree with "You don't have to partake in it", and I guess that's what most people complain about. You go about, minding your own business, and then you die.

I've probably been killed about 3 or 4 times by people who were civil, and to be fair, I didn't mind so much in these cases. The other times, it's probably a 50%-50% split between "An encounter loads and you're already dead before the scene has even loaded" and "You're fighting against some NPCs and suddenly you're blown up by a rocket / shot to pieces from somewhere for no reason".

I think the main problem I have with it personally, is there's rarely any "fight" in it. It's not often like an epic and exciting battle between two players, with shots going back and forth, with tactics and skill, until one eventually dies and the other escapes with heavy wounds. It most often seems (from my perspective at least) to be a sniper or rocket launcher kills the other person in one shot, normally before they're even aware of any opposition.

Rather than it feeling like a game mechanic of player combat, it feels much more like the equivalent of a game suddenly crashing with an error, and you have to reload an old save from half an hour ago and redo everything again.

To be fair, I think I've had one good PVP battle, when I was quite new. Both myself and the opposition had Desert Eagles or something similar, like low level stuff, probably with leather jackets or leather armour. We were probably of a similar level, and I was collecting some Gecko skins after killing them. He arrived and wanted to fight over the loot. We shot each other a few times, I crippled his legs, thought I had the upper hand... then my gun deteriorated to broken, so I tried to outrun him, and he got a beautiful lucky long range shot in my head and I died. That was actually really good fun. I didn't mind it, because there was actually something of a fight in it. It was exciting.

I can't speak about town control, or gang vs gang warfare or anything, as I've never done either. I'm a fairly casual player. It's just a shame that I've had about one of those good battles, compared to so many of the surprise insta-deaths.

[edit] That cartoon above probably says it better than I did

completely agree. But thats how it is with every game and basically with everything in life. Look at say monopoly and market control in an economy. Sure, its unfair to do, but I mean THEY CAN DO IT so why not? same goes for that insta kill sniper/rocket launcher pking, as long as the option is there, people will do it. People are genetically jerks.

[lehytek]

http://www.thenoobcomic.com/index.php?pos=68

Wow, I didn't knew this comic still existed.

[Ulrek]

"PKing" is a very general term.

"Bluesuit hunters" is a term used for the people who just randomly blow up newbies for fun.

And "APK's" are just people who kill the people who kill other people for fun. since the bluesuit hunters are often about as powerful as the APK groups. it makes it a fair fight, rather then a one sided slam fest.


But. really, the example shown in the comic, while amusing doesn't really apply here, you cant really mix crafter and combat builds well enough to defend yourself at a mine against 1-2 guys with full gear and pure combat builds. so when crafting you are always weaker, which is why i think mine campers are so hated. since while they -can- do it, they just make the game harder for others, and waste peoples time. and people who are offensive and waste other peoples time... = Trolls. and nobody likes the trolls..

-Ulrek-

[Badger]

I think the main problem I have with it personally, is there's rarely any "fight" in it. It's not often like an epic and exciting battle between two players, with shots going back and forth, with tactics and skill, until one eventually dies and the other escapes with heavy wounds. It most often seems (from my perspective at least) to be a sniper or rocket launcher kills the other person in one shot, normally before they're even aware of any opposition.

Hey, exactly how I feel. But there's so many obstacles to having the kind of battles you described without rebuilding the game from the ground up.

[pawns4mons]

PKers stole my damn flint at level 1... FLINT!!!!!!. LIKE HONESTLY!!.

[OskaRus]

PKing pks is quiet fun. And PKing bluesuits ass well when u can say "U n00b I pwned u." and steal his broc flowers. xD FOnline is one of the last games when you can properly PK.

[Badger]

FOnline is one of the last games when you can properly PK.

I WONDER WHY.

[avv]

Why people hate pks? Because pks mess with their bussiness and delay their goals. If someone is for example levelling his char and someone shoots him, of course the victim is allowed to be pissed because the killer had a choice not to shoot but he shot anyway.

[T-888]

No pity , no mercy , no remorse just a cold blooded kill without even saying a word , gazing at the body for a moment , giving a stiff look and then leaving.

Perfect.....

No sorry , no forgiveness , nothing it's not even personal. Kill just for the sport , kill just to pull the trigger , kill just to hear the bullet leave the gun.

Nothing personal.

[Badger]

No pity , no mercy , no remorse just a cold blooded kill without even saying a word , gazing at the body for a moment , giving a stiff look and then leaving.

Are we playing the same game? Because I don't think we're playing the same game.

[T-888]

Are we playing the same game? Because I don't think we're playing the same game.

I can play this game how i like it , not how you think it should be played.

Or you just shouldn't understand it in a literal way.