Excellent job devs, my hats off to you. It's about time this obvious loop hole be plugged. Now people will have to craft or farm there gear instead of cheesily using exploits to steal zillions of super stims and billions of 5mm ammo for trading like unlimited currency. I applaud this bold move, may the chips fall where they may!They'll use their carpets in the bases, and then ragequit because there are no possible ways to get stuff comparable easily (well leveling thief alt takes some time)
Excellent job devs, my hats off to you. It's about time this obvious loop hole be plugged. Now people will have to craft or farm there gear instead of cheesily using exploits to steal zillions of super stims and billions of 5mm ammo for trading like unlimited currency. I applaud this bold move, may the chips fall where they may!
Still doable.
Doable but not enjoyable thank you avv for this shit suggestion. Once agian thank AVV! You are the idiot who suggested this enjoy the empty server and doing town control fighting nobody with children of atom.
Now we have to make a new theif everytime we get to -300 reputation.
is thereany pro PVE dev in your team?
do anybody know what was wrong with crafting before last update?what was reason to change it?
whats actual use for stealers?
can i improve reputation with BOS,ENCLAVE by any way?
Haters gonna hate. I also suggested to make fun and enjoyable way to receive these items but it didn't come along the "steal fix".
but still it was you who complained this was too easy, so its your fault the GMs like you and listen. So I well blame you forever for this. Fun and enjoyable LOL! They don't know the definition.
Agreed on that. Crafting can't be fun for everyone, but it can be at least somewhat tolerable. For example crafting flamer fuel isn't that bad. Why not aply the same logic to superstims?
Ye I did mention it was dumb way to get those items. But I also said this:
So is it my fault that only part of the suggestion is taken?
They have mental problems and have sick obsession with ruining peoples fun in this game.
Great fun, maybe make it harder to catch slaves - maybe a cooldown for everyone , one hour irl, - its hard to catch a slave for real!!!
We had this arguement on IRC, and you said that its too easy and we shouldn't be chosen ones running around stealing. So yeah thank you for influencing this none sense change.
If ya got some problems with me deal with it ,because I do not care about your fail provocation at forums, and wish you to stop it to others, because they do not care either.
Stealing will be just not used to get anything but just troll, achviement unlocked?
BTW: I won't rage like a kiddo, but.... CHAEN SOEMTHINK!!11
No more hundreds of thousands 5mm AP ammo, sounds good to me, maybe the ammunition will get some value now.Changes like those should've been implemented with any coming WIPE not just "oh let's drop it there".
Don't overexaggerate, your not going anywhere, none is. That is like threating someone for you isn't it?
Players will adapt, evolve, when 5mm starts to run low, players will find a new way how to obtain them, or crafters will finally have some valuable item to make, instead of looting avenger or SS from a dead enemy, you will loot 5mm AP.
Like drugs were such a pain in the ass to craft previous session, especially buffout, though i don't remember someone whining, those items were real valuable. Even at the end of previous session, i was still crafting/buying from traders buffout and hoping that someone sells it on forum, now the current buffout amount for my faction is at least 30k, drugs for an eternity, now where's the fun in that? Same thing goes for 5mm AP ammo, it's so much, there's no value in it.
No more hundreds of thousands 5mm AP ammo, sounds good to me, maybe the ammunition will get some value now.Sure, it will get some value for all players except the SoT who already has shitload of everything, hundreds of thousands of 5mm and tens of thousands of superstimpaks. So after few months this will happen
They'll use their carpets in the bases, and then ragequit because there are no possible ways to get stuff comparable easily (well leveling thief alt takes some time)and if they don't ragequit they will be fighting using miniguns and shitty armors against SoT having avengers and CAs. I guess we need Anakin Skywalker to bring balance to the force ::) .
So after few months this will happenand if they don't ragequit they will be fighting using miniguns and shitty armors against SoT having avengers and CAs.
Damn right we will adapt: abuse harder and shut the fuck up about it this time. Superstims are simply so pain in the ass to get that crafting them is the last resort.
Sure, it will get some value for all players except the SoT
SS are valuable, heh you see. Buying them like buffout is a nice option, and a suggestion to make them easier to craft would be better to just abuse and be cool with it.
But how do you buy ss from drugstores? You craft healing powders, thousands of clicks needed.
Trust me, nobody else is as rich as SoT.
None other team play like us, that's why.
Because we have lives and jobs to attend to.
Gold nuggets with a dog mule, yes those thousands of seemingly worthless gold nuggets from TC, each can be sold for 50 caps in every trader. Then there's stimpacks obtained from TC too( http://clip2net.com/s/28z4u ), last resort is caps or selling buffout(http://clip2net.com/s/28z4Q), some members were prone to use healing powders too, with some autoclicker, that's the very last resort, the most slowest.
All of those methods are questionable. Gold nuggets: weight like hell, best get high cw alt and even then hauling them is hell. Dog mule? That gets townbursted or it just disappears or dies randomly.
Stimpaks and gold are received from tc locker. Yea but you need SS to win at tc in first place, unless you want to encourage players to capture towns when nobody is around.
Jovanka fixed stealing. Next time she will fix something else. Deal with it. She is good developer.Bad bad Jovanka, she nerfed some shit instead of FIX TC NAO!111
Jovanka fixed stealing. Next time she will fix something else. Deal with it. She is good developer.
I wouldn't call that all abuse, some galtings/avengers maybe. By the way, it's possible to farm them in TB with few people, and we actually did that for a while, and can still do that. Any high CW alt can get a dog, sneakers/looters are necessary anyway if you wish to PvP at all.
Making alts have been a part of fonline, like forever. I wouldn't call that abuse, just bad game mechanics, unfinished mechanics, call it whatever you want, but not abuse.
All that can't be combined if you don't play together with players and cooperate, dog mule+CW alt in towns can't be used if you don't have a friend helping with protection because why should he if you don't share a base, as you said you will just get bursted. Efficient use of TC locker resources to obtain other items can't be done if the rule is who first get's to TC box, get's the loot, individual player get's the profit not a player group.
Actually I wasn't the one who fixed it, so I'm not the one to be praised.
I would do the same thing though ;P
I fixed brahmin pooping one hex in pens!
Stealing should have been fixed at wipe. I have done it for 2 sessions but im still mildly disgusted when i go to a shop and see 1233131 rockets and mfc and everything else picked dry. Doing it now is just going to run off new players again. And the cycle repeats once more. I can see the we want wipe threads already. :D
They'll use their carpets in the bases, and then ragequit because there are no possible ways to get stuff comparable easily (well leveling thief alt takes some time)
About crafting : now with the new cooldowns , players are forced to make 5 another alts , buy for them professions, give them each bp and put inside sierra/mariposa/anywhere with adv wb and just bring materials.
Just gratulations, please more updates like this, and you'll have 10 players and 10000 alts.
Personally I like 5mm, rockets and superstims as merchandice over radios and guns because the 3 aforementioned items stack unlike those others. It's hell to load 30 guns on low ap barter char and haul them to shop and place them on the screen one by one.
Yeah, I'm not even sure what they're thinking with this; discourage stealing and crafting so everyone has to be a PvE farmer or slaver? Less game variety, YES.Now that you mentioned it, be sure that a nerf to slavers and pve farming is coming!
Stealing BOS is nerfed total bull shit now gives - reputation and a 300% steal theif fails 3/4 time.
Every feature that makes grim ragequit is welcomed one.
Stealing? who steals for stims,
People whining too hard that SS are hard to get, i just looted 5 from some noob.Devs should fix noobs and make them unlootable then.
Devs should fix noobs and make them unlootable then.Agreed 100%, maybe make them even harder to kill, would be more realistic, you know.
People whining too hard that SS are hard to get, i just looted 5 from some noob.
Devs, thanks for correcting an exploitable feature. Sorry for those who have fun by eploiting glitches.Finally usages in steal skill were found, you call exploit? Cool story bro.
Devs, thanks for correcting an exploitable feature. Sorry for those who have fun by eploiting glitches.
I had a great time reading all those rageposts by newbies whining that they can no longer exploit stealing. Time to start working for your items, ha!you know most people dont want to work 8 hours a day just to play a fucking game.
you know most people dont want to work 8 hours a day just to play a fucking game.Go play something more casual then, World of Warcraft for example - I heard the new expansion pack allows you to play as a panda bear, you'll like it.
we allready have jobs we dont want a second one. we just want to have fun not be stressed out crafting.
Go play something more casual then, World of Warcraft for example - I heard the new expansion pack allows you to play as a panda bear, you'll like it.lol you dont have a job do you?
lol you dont have a job do you?I have both. How do I manage to still play this game and enjoy it then, you ask? Effective time management is the key.
please get a job or a life and then speak your mind.
using a skill developed on your character for a particular use is a feature even if accidental.(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/423/untitle.JPG)
snipped for retarded elements.Yes. :>
It's not an exploit.
An exploit is finding a dialogue tree that gives you infinite of some item.
using a skill developed on your character for a particular use is a feature even if accidental.
It's like screaming exploit in skyrim because you used your sword to hit a boulder onto an enemy's head.
"ZOMFG I didn't mean for that boulder to be used like omfg exploit! MUSTZ NURF!"
*Makes boulder immune to sword*
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/23815337.jpg)It's a horrible exploit that ruins whole economy. It's a good thing someone decided to finally stop this. Or something.
Yes, but imagine that someone who abused this has around 500k 5mm AP ammo and another tons of superstims. So technically he is prepared for this.So he doesn't give a shit. Yet. When all these itanz are gone, we sure can see another wave of "zomg this game sux ballz imma leavin nao!1111" whine posts.
So he doesn't give a shit. Yet. When all these itanz are gone, we sure can see another wave of "zomg this game sux ballz imma leavin nao!1111" whine posts.Yes, that's true. But when, If you are manage to lost only 1k per day. He is prepared for 500 days :D
It's a horrible exploit that ruins whole economy. It's a good thing someone decided to finally stop this. Or something.
Itanz Assembly Line was long already before these last updates. I can't even imagine how long it is now :>
What's the alternative?
Ruins how? The activity of thieves made a MFC surplus available in stores, so that anyone with a non-looney-tune build could barter for them.
Ruins how?I was just trolling. Everybody knows our Orphanage ruined economy - we had this Tree of Abuse with infinite apples, so we could make bazillion flamer fuel and flood shops with it. Now tree is gone, economy should back to normal. Yeah, something like that.
i guess T-888 is one of the trolls who already have 500k 5mm ammo and superstims so he dont care at all rofl but yeah lets trade some stuff for 5mm ammo , merchant system is great these days or isnt it ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LtMLezBkAI
i guess T-888 is one of the trolls who already have 500k 5mm ammo and superstims so he dont care at all rofl but yeah lets trade some stuff for 5mm ammo , merchant system is great these days or isnt it ?
Crafting MFC? I've never tried that.
jacky you are wrong when you think ss is not craftable.
http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Super_Stimpak
http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Medical_Terminal
i am glad i didnt come back ;]Wait wait wait wait!
i am glad i didnt come back ;]Or did you?
Wait wait wait wait!
You are not even playing the goddamn game?
So what are you doing here? Trying to do some last minute trolling before posting a ragequit thread with an alt?
Seriously,get a life.
anyway ss before update wasnt craftable same like other drugs.They were, I crafted like 5 or 10 of them in Necropolis' vault - medical terminal has been moved there.
you know most people dont want to work 8 hours a day just to play a fucking game.
we allready have jobs we dont want a second one. we just want to have fun not be stressed out crafting.
Wait wait wait wait!
You are not even playing the goddamn game?
So what are you doing here? Trying to do some last minute trolling before posting a ragequit thread with an alt?
Seriously,get a life.
i asked few people how its looks now and they say "same shit, nothing to do"yeah TRUE, except ideling in ncr , I was thinking bout making new alts but doudt it now with all these discison the devs are making, you never know what they'll nerf next, and make ur alts useless lol
Agree totaly and that CD for crafting is, how can i say word and not use curse, hilarious.400 bullet and CD 1 hour :)
I am curious what will happen when all guys spend ammo and drugs in some time.Play game now i think become more and more grindfest.
i really dont understand what are you whining about. im still stealing like before. i have 222% steal and 1 luck and yesterday i stole like 10k 5mm ap without 1 fail. stealing works like before update
Why wasn't this change mentioned in the changelog?
Because a dev forgot too add it to the changelog?
The bugfix is visible in the tracker, if you care.
Does exist any repeatable way to improve reputation with BOS or Enclave?
If not what is use for stealers in game? except stealing from players
Yes, you can repeatedly wait. It improves with time. But in my opinion you should get -2000 and get kicked from BoS. IMHO there is absolutely no reason to have some stupid methods for a thief to improve it faster, at least not with factions like BoS or Enclave where it makes no sense whatsoever.
I think for personal use the stolen amount is going to be enough so you don't have to grind all too much, just your not going to be able to dump so much in traders anymore.
I think for personal use the stolen amount is going to be enough so you don't have to grind all too much, just your not going to be able to dump so much in traders anymore.
Yes, you can repeatedly wait. It improves with time. But in my opinion you should get -2000 and get kicked from BoS.Great idea, I cannot wait for the next update to see this implemented! Of course we shouldn't expect another reasonable way of getting superstimpaks, it's just to make this game more boring.
If not 5mm, then it's broken cas, ca helmets and normal miniguns. Or crafted normal rockets or what ever nobody wants to buy.
So? Those items involve some kind of risk to obtain them, have to farm them. Crafted rockets? Those have to be crafted, resources and time spent. Stealing required an alt witch you still need, until now there was no risk involved and no restrictions for it, that simply didn't make any sense. 5mm AP ammunition and SS are very valuable for players and when such items are being dumped in traders it clearly shows that there is something wrong with distribution, would you think it would be normal if 2mm EC ammo was suddenly dumped in traders for some reason?
All fixed now, what's the problem?
top tier items 4th lvl like pa/gauss rifle/bozar/vindicator/pulse rifle should be in game but as prices for events or for "doing something special for comunity"I'm a supreme kind of troll in this community. Can I have a top tier pony?
i dont like idea "we have stuff but we wont let you to have it"
there should be all in game and top tier items 4th lvl like pa/gauss rifle/bozar/vindicator/pulse rifle should be in game but as prices for events or for "doing something special for comunity"
ca,ca mk2,ba, ea should be avalible for everyone and i dont like solar idea that npc fractions are stronger that overage player. well if pvp player is mercenarry he should be better equiped than random ncr soldier including armor and weapon.
and i would like to implement new encounter near vaults and sierra - robot patrols (and you could farm from them mp, hq mp, alloys, hq alloys, ele parts, hq ele parts). forcing people to spend weeks on farming isnt good idea when troll builds are op.
Well the issue was this was a good alternative to crafting to obtain some gear. I'm sorry but not everybody enjoys blue print hunting and crafting.
What?
SS/5mm AP ammunition don't even need blueprint, they come with the profession level. The issue was that there was hardly any risk/limitation for stealing, if you died you didn't loose anything and you could keep stealing forever in unreasonable amounts for how valuable the items was for players. I think there are enough players who don't understand one thing, i will explain it in simple language and example. There are easy to get items that don't have much worth for player to use, then there are higher tier items that are accordingly harder to obtain for how valuable those items are for the player and what use the player has for them. Now move your brain just a little bit and think about SS/5mm ammo before the update. Last time i'm explaining this. It's still a good alternative, only more balanced now.
How can players dislike a feature for the wrong reasons? I mean how is that is even possible?
tlamk2...
We all know how fun and a complete productive use of time crafting super stims is now. So what who cares if you could have steal forever its a video game not a real life simulator that this community is strangly looking for. If they didn't want us to steal super stims off bos then why does bos have super stims? I suggest moving to a warzone if everybody wants a realistic feel as to what a post apoclyptic wasteland is like. You do realize that people play video games for fun yes? And not take it all anal serious as you do.
Asking players for feedback depends on who you ask.
I'm the rarity of players that have the sense to judge a feature properly, [...]Sounds pretty serious ;D :D
I assure you, i will make sure nobody listens to you.
I came here only to tell that you're a joke.
Wow, reply in 30 seconds, do you stay here all day, waiting for some forum pvp and hitting F5-preview button?
...Kids shouldn't get mad like that, kid. It's bad for their sense to judge a feature properly, kid. You better listen to what more competent players like Kilgore have to say, kid.
2238 seems to be on a downward slope after the SD nade nerf and TC fix again. Compared to what we've got ammo should be easier to get during the endgame, not harder. Same with stimpacks and other consumables.
Kids shouldn't get mad like that, kid. It's bad for their sense to judge a feature properly, kid. You better listen to what more competent players like Kilgore have to say, kid.
they never care to report things that makes playing easy, casual.
RAGEEE!!!!Why so butthurt, kid?
Why so butthurt, kid?
Let's clear up some things, so you rather just get all necessary items in a game without any effort, and you think everyone would like that and have fun having everything easy.yes, i would think everyone would have fun getting stuff alot easier. well, except some douche-bags, i won't name them.
I don't know maybe a game master should spawn you items so you don't have to leave the base, because it is not casual/easy to do so?