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[Wichura]

using a skill developed on your character for a particular use is a feature even if accidental.

[DeputyDope]

omfg haven't you guys figured out already that high-tech gear and farming is for suckaz? blue spandex suits with 220 AC and jinxed are the new thing now. who needs SS when you have a trollbuild?

[Michaelh139]

snipped for retarded elements.

Yes. :>

[Giftless]

It's not an exploit.

An exploit is finding a dialogue tree that gives you infinite of some item.

using a skill developed on your character for a particular use is a feature even if accidental.

It's like screaming exploit in skyrim because you used your sword to hit a boulder onto an enemy's head.

"ZOMFG I didn't mean for that boulder to be used like omfg exploit! MUSTZ NURF!"

*Makes boulder immune to sword*

Yeah, it's not abuse when a player has taken the time and the assorted disadvantages to build up a 300% steal "Mission Impossible" type character. To dictate that a character like that should fail 3/4 of the time is ludicrous. Should no one be allowed to be proficient at anything?

A just a word about crafting--because this does relate to character development--if a player has devoted the time to 1) earn the caps to buy the smithing professions, 2) searched for or bought blueprints, and 3) labored to earn the materials; do they really deserve to get kicked in the nuts at the end of the line by putting a 1 hr cap on crafting? Oh, and there's also the time spent building up a Gun Runners rep; good luck if you're using an unprotected bench.

Seriously, could someone tell me how the "advantages" previously enjoyed by thieves and crafters hurt the gameplay for other people?

[Wichura]

It's a horrible exploit that ruins whole economy. It's a good thing someone decided to finally stop this. Or something.



Itanz Assembly Line was long already before these last updates. I can't even imagine how long it is now :>

[EnergyForYou]

Yes, but imagine that someone who abused this has around 500k 5mm AP ammo and another tons of superstims. So technically he is prepared for this.

[Wichura]

Yes, but imagine that someone who abused this has around 500k 5mm AP ammo and another tons of superstims. So technically he is prepared for this.

So he doesn't give a shit. Yet. When all these itanz are gone, we sure can see another wave of "zomg this game sux ballz imma leavin nao!1111" whine posts.

[EnergyForYou]

So he doesn't give a shit. Yet. When all these itanz are gone, we sure can see another wave of "zomg this game sux ballz imma leavin nao!1111" whine posts.

Yes, that's true. But when, If you are manage to lost only 1k per day. He is prepared for 500 days

[Giftless]

It's a horrible exploit that ruins whole economy. It's a good thing someone decided to finally stop this. Or something.



Itanz Assembly Line was long already before these last updates. I can't even imagine how long it is now :>

Ruins how? The activity of thieves made a MFC surplus available in stores, so that anyone with a non-looney-tune build could barter for them.

What's the alternative? Slogging out 1,500 caps per 100 MFC in Broken Hills, in a pk zone? Sure, let's pinch off the supply so people can't use vehicles and to make things harder on EW users, since these builds are pwning big gun bursters everyday of the week, right?

[T-888]

Oh shit! 8 minute cooldown on my first aid, *!^@&!*$ developers they ruined my game.

What's the alternative?

How about you go try to craft them, farming them in a different way is possible, you just aren't aware of that. Over-exaggerating whine as always.

In my case i should invest more skillpoints into first aid.

Ruins how? The activity of thieves made a MFC surplus available in stores, so that anyone with a non-looney-tune build could barter for them.

Who wants to buy MFC in stores if everyone has surplus, and everyone is looking to dump them into stores? Logic win!

Two new players: A and B
A: hey look go check out that store, maybe there are some weapons there, we need some small gun.
B: no, there's only MFC.

2+2=4 two apples plus two apples is four apples

[FrankenStone]

i guess T-888 is one of the trolls who already have 500k 5mm ammo and superstims so he dont care at all rofl but yeah lets trade some stuff for 5mm ammo , merchant system is great these days or isnt it ?

[Wichura]

Ruins how?

I was just trolling. Everybody knows our Orphanage ruined economy - we had this Tree of Abuse with infinite apples, so we could make bazillion flamer fuel and flood shops with it. Now tree is gone, economy should back to normal. Yeah, something like that.

Crafting MFC? I've never tried that, I prefered gathering ready-to-use MFCs from Anklavs instead of gathering uranium between mad apes in BH.

[Stration]

i guess T-888 is one of the trolls who already have 500k 5mm ammo and superstims so he dont care at all rofl but yeah lets trade some stuff for 5mm ammo , merchant system is great these days or isnt it ?

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LtMLezBkAI" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LtMLezBkAI</a>

http://www.std.com/obi/Fairy.Tales/Grimm/ant.and.cricket.txt

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[T-888]

i guess T-888 is one of the trolls who already have 500k 5mm ammo and superstims so he dont care at all rofl but yeah lets trade some stuff for 5mm ammo , merchant system is great these days or isnt it ?

I don't care about it, but not because i have 500k 5mm ammo, maybe some 70-80k in all bases with the best case scenario(who the hell even needs more on normal circumstances?), but that's for a large faction, zero percent fuck given for other reasons you couldn't comprehend, make more assumptions. I don't really need to explain myself, not much effect for it, just more whine i guess. This is like giving a huge bag of candy to a kid then taking it away after a while. Wichura told you that it destroys economy and you don't seem to understand that, what the fuck is that "economy", you don't even see nothing wrong with obtaining those items in such quantities, what matters to you is that you can't do it anymore, so you are hostile to change no matter reasons for it, because as i said you don't understand. That's like nerfing avenger minigun or any other weapon for balance purposes, the response from community is that they don't like a weaker avenger minigun, but is that a reason to raise complains about? No.

An axe in the head.

Crafting MFC? I've never tried that.

Without crafting cooldown it was the fastest way, there was no need to mine uranium ore because of the magic TC box in BH(TC box the most valuable resource this wipe), it was just a matter of hauling items in dog, could make 10 or 15k or how much i wanted MFC in one trip, now it's reasonable due to crafting cooldown.

[Jytz]

Well I guess I was the guy ruining the ecnomy with my thiefs. But I well say this I do not think this game was revolved around player trading and setting up an economy. I'm not really one to trade with other players but more so like to get stuff on my own in these type of games. This seems more of a group effort game and figuring out little tricks to get stuff than a trade game with auction houses.

I used to craft MFC last wipe, so I was prepared for the whole advanced work bench thing. Used to risk 100's of uranium ores electronic parts and the such going to mariposa. But I found this was useless and a waste of time and it was easier to steal from enclave and farm unity.

I wouldn't be such a whiner on this if there were other methods like the ability to actually trade useless farmed items to shops. But you know this game has turned into a competition and just because I got to the shops first before everybody else clearing them out of the good items is any differnt than fast logging or using cows at mines so other players can't mine? This wouldn't be such an issue if we could actually trade more stuff to the shops. I mean the only thing gun runners takes is metal armors, mfc and 5mm and rockets, you can't trade shotgun shells or anything anywhere. Its just too limited as to what the shops can take.

But the thing is for me I didn't keep all my 5mm and MFC I would keep a stack of 2,000-5,000 for action and then trade the rest for other stuff at the shops. Take me for example I probably have stolen a million MFC 5mm and thousands of super stims but I don't have a stock pile because these were the only things shops would take that anything worthy of use. So no not all of us who used thieves have billion rounds of 5mm and super stims as of right now.

Actually what kind of set me off on this was I was stealing BOS and there was no reputation being displayed when I failed, but then out of no where -300 and then I was crit bursted entering an encounter, so there is a bug with this.

But you know we are not stupid players we well figure out ways to get our gear with less time consuming and solo methods. Also, note on crafting 100% repair is really easy to get to, you just get to level 2 or 3 and fast log craft for metal armors.