It's 1 guy on dual log. Known this strategy for a while but been too busy levelling bos thief, enclave thief, sciencer, repairer, fastrelog alts, barter chars and looking for blueprints for months. The game ain't ridiculous at all ::)
This kind of activity happens when players are tried to force to do teamwork to get something. Instead of hunting in a team able to beat those enclave in fair fight, individual players do it in abusive ways.
I'm rather impressed someone bothers himself to get these few guns he has to repair then anyway.What? No he doesn't have to repair it, since Enclave drops mostly 40-80% condition avengers, which is perfectly sufficient for common pvp. I once farmed 14% minigun from Unity and managed to kill quite a lot of people with it before I died.
that is fair. what they do is very risky, and if they found a way to creatively farm, then they deserve it.
everyone has his own tactics for looting enclave. i dont get point i have at least 60 av and 60 gatlings and what is wrong with that?I never thought I will agree with you, but now I have to.
ohhh i get it...you have only mini and m60 right? cry topic...
Farming/stealing from strong encounters have been nerfed few times already, mobs drop deteriorated items, you have only few seconds to steal from them (with hard-as-fuck-to-level-up character with 300% Steal skill, less is not effective enough), and it's still considered an "exploit"? Why, in Cthulhu's name?Because Cthulhu hates you. And you will be eaten last.
Only actual problem here is that enclave was designed to be hardass pve encounter that only powerful squads of players are able to defeat in face to face combat. Instead of squads, players just take the abuse way. So we're talking about failed feature. The fact that someone can solo enclave is not a problem, because some just want to do that no matter what.Yeah well the problem is that fighting BoS/Enclave is silly because the reward is shit for the effort it takes. I mean those encounters are buffed to the point it's just retarded - troll-tier HP and critchance, PA/APA, top-tier weapons... are you effin' serious? 10 drugged powerbuilds could fight the large ones in an open battle and lose, if I didn't know better I'd expect at least an APA drop there. If I were to choose between fighting Enclave as is and scrapping Gatling/Avenger entirely, I'd just switch to my bazooka/SG sniper alt for PvP - they're just as effective, but aren't so much of a pain in the ass to get (because yeah, it's still waaaay easier to get a sniper rifle/bazooka than Avenger/Gatling, even with the method described in this thread).
It doesnt sound easy ::) A lot of work...
Only actual problem here is that enclave was designed to be hardass pve encounter that only powerful squads of players are able to defeat in face to face combat. Instead of squads, players just take the abuse way. So we're talking about failed feature. The fact that someone can solo enclave is not a problem, because some just want to do that no matter what.Why anyone would bother? Nice_Boat has a point here. And how to share one half-deteriorated avenger with whole team of badasses?
Though i don't how to prevent this ... i was laughing with my teammates that the only way would be if you just couldn't find enclave ( they don't exist ;D ) , as there plenty more ways how to farm them.There are no caravan encounters anymore, because some, uh, "exploiters" and "abusers" were farming them for uncraftable guns like LSW. Now LSW is craftable, but too weak to make crafting it sense.
If you nerf it, it will affect non-gang members. Not pvp gangers. Atm we have around 100 players, 50 of them play this game for evening pvp and other 50 play for farming and crafting stuff. Pvp gang will always find the way, single player not. Guess who will quit? This server need more players, not less.
Start thinking kurwa.
January: ~230 players
February: ~150
March: ~115
SolarHow you have not noticed... that they can log onto forum without online produced? As well as forum mods.
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besides, at prime time it is 200 players still, I see it plenty, though maybe it is my imagination trying to give me hope :D.
prime time means that gangs are fighting and one player got at least 3 alts offline jeez... wake up manJee-wiz sorry. :P
If you nerf it, it will affect non-gang members. Not pvp gangers. Atm we have around 100 players, 50 of them play this game for evening pvp and other 50 play for farming and crafting stuff. Pvp gang will always find the way, single player not. Guess who will quit? This server need more players, not less.
Start thinking kurwa.
January: ~230 players
February: ~150
March: ~115
Awesome...
Btw. I would not really care if someone nerf it:
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unfortunatly i was drunk while i was writing this post anways the point i was trying to make was these guys had it down to a science, im not sure what wep he was using. im not going to name him in the forum but hes well known on here. anyways it was roughly 3 minutes for him to get an avenger, a gatling laser, and a plasma rifle with no shots fired save for the one that made the enclave drop the gun, instead of picking up the gun the enclave goes to chase the shooter who is already running out of map, im assuming the chase is a legacy action or faulty programming, and then his buddy goes and picks up the weapon and doesnt get shot because the enclave had moved away. so, yeah its definently a farming method and is kind of an exploit. granted its a clever one and it takes time to make a character capable of it but its happening none the less, and believe me im not whining or crying, i was out there theiving enclave myself. i just happened to run across the extra ordinary nonsense and figured id let it be known.then there's no point in that thread
the point is to let people know this is going on. if one person knows about it all should. otherwise its an unfair advantage. but if everyone does it then its the norm and everyone will be on par with each other taking away the advantages that these people have.
No, no no no. someone figured this out, you dont. Well, you were lucky, so you now know how this works, but why everyone should?
It makes me sick how everyone wants to justify how OKish, risky and such is this. No wonder, these statements are made by players defending every kind of exploit.
This "exploit" can be done with every character that has SD and even with the crappiest gun. If you remove this method, people will find their ways, but the tougher it gets, the less people will actually use it. Why bother with minigun, when I can have better avenger ? Even if it was extremely hard and tedious to get, there will be someone willing to get their hands on them just because they are the strongest weapons in the 2238 arsenal.
Farming Enclave is doable, even with 3 people, not 10 people like Nice_Boat described. Of course, its risky and maybe not worth it in terms of gain/time.
It makes me sick how everyone wants to justify how OKish, risky and such is this. No wonder, these statements are made by players defending every kind of exploit.So you're saying that loners shouldn't be able to get the best gear? You want them to be constantly pwned by other people, even in 1 vs. 1 fights. Well too bad loners always die, because the guy with avenger have friends who help him to farm avengers. A loner with a minigun simply can't. The game mechanics doesn't allow that. I know you don't give a fuck about loners, because you as the gang had avengers in the first days after the wipe. I can imagine you have like 200 avengers stashed in your base, so obviously you want this to be nerfed so you can come and pwn everyone with your avengers.
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So you're saying that loners shouldn't be able to get the best gear?
If this gets nerfed (and I am pretty sure it will), it will be only because of people like you Sarakin. Thank you, thanks to all the people crying about things you "worked hard" on and other people have it as well.What this should mean ? Am I feel ashamed or regretful ?
Why shouldn't they? Afraid that this gets nerfed? But it's all just tactics ::)
How the fuck sake, shooting npcs can be consider abuse? O_o In your thinking enclave should be immortal, and never drop anything. So why keep them in game? Just remove any good stuff from any npc, and leave only tc rewards for gangs. This game is dead anyway, so why not?
And yes, loner should never have best stuff available, best stuff should be obtained only through teamwork.Then expect even less people playing this game because guess what, there are people who prefer to play alone and enjoy the game. When you tell them "you play alone you have to suffer" then nobody from them will bother with playing.
If the first thing that comes to your mind is that players should dual log, level themselves a sneak sniper alt able to do only this task and then grind them with as little gear as possible then okay, seems like we got a bit differend view what's a fun and good feature.Then it would be fair to introduce another possibility of getting it, if you nerf one thing because of what you mentioned (irrationality) would be fine to have another, fixed feature. Nerfing isn't always bad, but nerfing without introducing a solution is.
The problem is that except this method there is no other way for a loner to obtain that stuff. There were dynamites and c4 in the past, but you can't craft it anymore (another broken feature).yes you can ;D