Ha-ha! We CBTesters will conjure up a swarm of bugs, postponing the wipe beyond soon.
Sadly, almost doesn't count, as Latvians say.
wipe will total ruins this game ... game after wipe will be only shit BG simulator nothing morePff.. p90 x3 brd jet 12 AP BRoF better crit silent death ghost silent run sneakers killing everyone doing 1 100% crit burst from behind +2 regular bursts if target still alive? And now imagine squad of sneakers, some major gang with high online, 100% of gang members are p90 sneakers with all these perks. The only thing enemies will hear is "RAAAGGH" of their characters and then some bluesuiters with troll names with smgs appearing from nowhere running away to grid/behind wall to resneak. If only they're not p90 sneakers too, then it'll be hide-and-seek game and of course everyone with motion sensor.
Pff.. p90 x3 brd jet 12 AP BRoF better crit silent death ghost silent run sneakers killing everyone doing 1 100% crit burst from behind +2 regular bursts if target still alive? And now imagine squad of sneakers, some major gang with high online, 100% of gang members are p90 sneakers with all these perks. The only thing enemies will hear is "RAAAGGH" of their characters and then some bluesuiters with troll names with smgs appearing from nowhere running away to grid/behind wall to resneak. If only they're not p90 sneakers too, then it'll be hide-and-seek game and of course everyone with motion sensor.
Or p90 burst with silent death will be fixed and silent death will affect only pistols, as it said in description?
Pff.. p90 x3 brd jet 12 AP BRoF better crit silent death ghost silent run sneakers killing everyone doing 1 100% crit burst from behind +2 regular bursts if target still alive?
I wanna wipe for my xmas present! Dont disappoint me santa!
Yeah It's works only with HtH and pistols. You are not wrong.
i thought silent death works only for HtH and pistols ..
Pff.. p90 x3 brd jet 12 AP BRoF better crit silent death ghost silent run sneakers killing everyone doing 1 100% crit burst from behind +2 regular bursts if target still alive? And now imagine squad of sneakers, some major gang with high online, 100% of gang members are p90 sneakers with all these perks. The only thing enemies will hear is "RAAAGGH" of their characters and then some bluesuiters with troll names with smgs appearing from nowhere running away to grid/behind wall to resneak. If only they're not p90 sneakers too, then it'll be hide-and-seek game and of course everyone with motion sensor.
Or p90 burst with silent death will be fixed and silent death will affect only pistols, as it said in description?
Lexx wrote that wipe is sooner than soon in August, so keep dreamin and pay ::)
You sure? I don't remember this. For me it was always clear that the wipe isn't coming as soon as other people claimed.
It's pretty good vs nontanks. Another good thing is that if it's just you and him, you can instantly resneak after shooting. But hordes of silent death sneaks? No because you can't resneak due to the presence of your pals. But surely we will see this build around and it's only good that smgs actually have a build that uses them.I was talking about running away on WM to resneak (or hiding behind wall/in room etc.). But now you said that you can instantly resneak after shoot.. damn nice! Right now you can resneak if you tag someone, so he is in your party, so if someone else tagged him and have him as a leader, you'll have him in a party too. I once asked if it's bug or not in Q&A thread and JovankaB reported it once in bugs section. So you're player B, with friend C and D and have leader (who's p90 sneaker too) - A. B, C and D tags A. Now they 4 (A, B, C, D) can sneak in front of each other like if there were no other people. So a gang of p90 sneakers who tag one person can resneak instantly after burst by this way, if only it's not changed after wipe.
I once asked if it's bug or not in Q&A thread and JovankaB reported it once in bugs section.It was always like that, I remember we used it in 2nd session when we used low HP max sneak/crit EW builds, to keep a team of characters in sneak mode all the time. I bet it's intended, being rather a feature than a bug.
As I heard, BHH have stopped playing because of your "sooner than soon", devs. So as I see it, when pre wipe madness will begin, there will be only 10 players playing the game, because everyone is waiting for this myth. But on the other hand, would it be wiser to say exact month of the wipe? ::)
It was always like that, I remember we used it in 2nd session when we used low HP max sneak/crit EW builds, to keep a team of characters in sneak mode all the time. I bet it's intended, being rather a feature than a bug.
We're also used to pre-wipe whine and pre-wipe pessimism!
Wipe? Oh no! Old 2238 trolls will come back ::) ::)At your services, kind sire.
On forums, Mr. Nuclear, it's on forums. Or is it in IRC, too?Yes on forums, but it starts on IRC when ima goin in xD
I Don't Understand how Developers make their Game look bad by seeming Enjoying the use of "Soon" in a Meaning of an Unknown Time that may never Comes as it seems.
Anyone I can Think of would see that as a catastrophe, but here it seems as a Part of a Long Joke that isn't Funny anymore.
First rule: As long as something wasn't announced officially, everything written on the forum must be taken with a grain of salt. We never posted about the wipe in the past x months in any news if I recall correct and everything else written on the forum solely has been guessing or hoping and was never a fixed date. I.e. these "hopefully wipe in may" or "maybe wipe in august" posts never had been "we will wipe in may / august"-announcements.Then wipe it.Show us that you are meaning it seriously and all players will be happy, even if server have some bugs.
Regarding "soon" ... Well, that's a joke kind of established by the community due to slow progress and stuff like that, it didn't came from us. We had been inexperienced with giving approximate time windows and now it can't be changed anymore and we have to live with it. Living with it doesn't mean we shouldn't make fun of ourselves every once in a while, though. I can't see why this is making the game look bad.
Then wipe it.Show us that you are meaning it seriously and all players will be happy, even if server have some bugs.
We're also used to pre-wipe whine and pre-wipe pessimism!you forgot pre-wipe depression and pre-pre-wipe hysteria :)
The reason i defend the devs on this is because i'm a dev myself. My years in the IT industry made me cautious about deadlines. A cook in a kitchen can give very accurate predictions about when dinner will be ready. A guy who builds houses can too because he's built them so many times, he knows. But software developers have a different challenge: it's not the same house every time. It's a newer, bigger, cooler house each time, and each time it's just as tough to predict an accurate deadline as the first.
Yet even a cook who yells back "Dinner will be ready when it's ready!" is understood as meaning "Hey knock off that crappy pressuring me crap because goll-darn i work my butt off in here slaving for you hungry pigs and dinner won't be done any faster with all the whining in the world!" lol
So back off, ye wastelanders, and know that the longer we wait, the less bugs we'll be finding after wipe (which by the way i hear is very soon lol). In the mean time, hey i know! Here's a revolutionary idea for ya [insert sarcasm here]: take this time to find new players in-game and help them learn it asap. Tell them about wipe, but tell them about TC, radios, distress calls, crafting, alternate interfaces, targeting enemies with shortcut keys, how to level faster, the online tools like Encounter Finder, etc etc etc. Doing that would help this game survive and thrive. It would be better than complaining like spoiled kids.
Players aren't "clients" because they don't pay for anything. Players are offered a totally free game yet all they are doing is posting whine posts which doesn't help much. Developers don't need players as they have already stated that they would continue their work on this project even if there were 10 people online (or none). And no matter how unfortunate you find it, it's true :P
Some players donate so they are practically clients. And even if players are not clients they are either products or pain in the ass.Players? Products? Dude, you should change your dealer sometimes ;)
You get "donators" only because x-hundred people play just for their own fun. If you get rid of "free players" you would also lose your precious donators because no one would pay for dead project.Let's assume that all players stopped donations and there is no money to keep the server up. So? Oh wait, players can't play because there is no 2238 online. And then, what happens? Absolutely nothing. Devs are still able to work on the project (probably for fun, as they didn't get paid for it before, so nothing changes) as to keep repository and test server you don't need to pay for a dedicated server, as almost any PC switched on 24/7 will do the job. Heck, they can even invite few people for some closed beta testing, it's not demanding as keeping 100 or 300 players online without lags.
And donation is not a payment, but some people keep to claim otherwise.
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Conclusion: players donate so they have a place where they can play. They don't, they can go play requiem or tla mk2 or whatever.
Btw I bet that most of demands come from people that have never donated a single buck for the server ;DI donated few "bucks" once. Did I buy rights to complain and whine yet? :>
Players? Products?
I donated few "bucks" once. Did I buy rights to complain and whine yet? :>You missed the point which was rather obvious; those who are whining and crying the most, rarely (or never) provide any support with donations, bug reports and such. Just open a random thread on this board :> You don't make donations for developers, but for yourself and other players. I keep repeating this over and over again in my last 3 or 4 posts but you seem to not believe it :>
Anyway, however you have right with devs making the game only for teh lulz, it's a bit unlogical - making MMO game without players. It's like building a car in the garage, but never actually drive it. It's possible, but what for?I'm afraid that it's not up to you to decide for them whether their work makes sense or not.
"If you are not paying you are not client but product." For example facebook users are products of facebook and facebook clients are advertising companies who pays for number of users they can influence. ;-)Not sure if dumb or trolling, sir :) 2238 is not a machine generating money and also, I must be blind but I've never seen any advertisements in game or here.
You don't make donations for developers, but for yourself and other players. I keep repeating this over and over again in my last 3 or 4 posts but you seem to not believe it :>But that's obvious, what's to believe-or-not here? I'm quite far from "zomfg i donated gimme APA nao!", as well as from "zomfg devz buying drugz'n'whorez but make no wipe!!111". If I have fun, I donate. Fine as it is, isn't it?
I'm afraid that it's not up to you to decide for them whether their work makes sense or not.Who I am to decide about anything concerning 2238's development? I'm just wondering about reasons they do this - for teh lulz? for satisfaction? to learn something? because they can?
I find it funny how people can't understand that it's a free game and developers don't get any $$$ from it and instead of your whines, crying, neverending demands, threats "i will leave this game zomg111!!!" (well there was even some ULTIMATUM from russian players, rotfl) you should sometimes have just a nice, warm cup of stfu ;) it's disappointing, yes it's sad, but it's true.Russian "ultimatum" destroyed the Universe, true, true :>
If I may add, the game is still in development, when the game is "ready", devs will surely try to attract more players by various means.
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-Get donations
-Get drugs
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-PROFIT!!!
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you have to be open to their expectations and fulfill them as fast as you can, because you no longer do it only for yourselves, but for people who use your "product".
And for me, the best reward is knowing that people enjoy my work and are using it, otherwise there's no point doing it as I could take time to widen my own knowledge in other fields or spend more time earning money or having fun with family. If you really want to do it only for yourselves then close down the forums and make project closed. But as I said, since the moment you went with it to the public and let people use it, creating a community, you no longer do it for yourselves, but for people/community that uses it.
And the worst thing that can happen to an indie project is loosing player/userbase, and I'm suprised you don't know it yet.
I'm aware that it's hard to estabilish any deadlines with projects like that, but it's always a good idea to set up at least a basic development plan, and I can say from my very own experience that it's way better to introduce smaller updates but more often, because this keeps users hooked up to the project and they know that stuff is being worked on all the time, than release one big update once a year or even less.
Also the more info from devs about current development status the better. You've got blog and you hardly use it to inform players what's going on right now, what you plan to introduce after wipe and so on. This keeps players eager to play and wait for upcoming release.
A good idea is to set a fixed shedule for wipes and seperate them from updates development process.
Right now I made few characters to max level and there's no point in playing this game further with lack of people and having everything achieved.
you could just shut it down, prepare next wipe, and switch it on again for 2 months, waiting for people to get bored, you would save money you spent paying the server for whole year
First of all, get it once and for all - this game is free. There are no clients, no purchases, no hiring and no contracts. If you're failing to realise that, then gtfo this board and better not show anywhere on internet, or anywhere else, for that matter, because all you're gonna do is cause permanent brain damage for normal people.Too hard for "internet warriors" to understand. They think the devs live in their basements just their computer and their refrigerator there so they can develop the game 25/7.
If not, great. I couldn't give less fuck. You don't give anything to us, developers, because we develop the game for free.Not entirely true - you as a developer want to get your product be the best. In this case you want the game to be bug-free, balanced and fun for everyone. The ones who donate help you keep up the server while in the same time, they help all others that don't donate. The ones who don't donate still test your product (most likely just like the ones that donate). They give feedback (giving you, the developer, the ability to make your product better). Well, unlucky for us, it doesn't however happen much here. People come, play the game, insult the developers, spam the forum full of crapload shit and ragequit.
Not entirely true... Players LOVE this game, and enjoy it a lot. That's why they keep coming back to the forum and some even play again after quitting.
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I don't think this game will ever lose its playerbase. As said above, people complain a lot, but even if they don't want to admit it, they love this game.
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I really hope devs do not do this, because there are some people who actually enjoy the game.
this game has some limitations, which will NEVER EVER be reapired. Im talking about devs vision. Im not saying that this is bad... its just different than expectation of most players.
for example: this game is highly frustrating for casual players.
Thats... well no offence, but complete bullshit.
Maybe, players who are... 'well known' on forum/tc, but its only people who are looong here. You know, there are always people who love something, but that doesnt mean, that whole community loves that.
first of all, look at server stats. Then, make simple calc, which 'players' are jus proxies. then you will know...
I like to talk with some new people in game. And most of them, stop playing after some time, when they realize, that this game has some limitations, which will NEVER EVER be reapired. Im talking about devs vision. Im not saying that this is bad... its just different than expectation of most players.
for example: this game is highly frustrating for casual players. If youre playing hard times, its fine, but if you want to play from time to time, game mechanics smash you. Thats why, people go away after first magic moments. when they have no fun from harvesting stuff, crafting, and shit like that, they simply stop do anything.
and i cant agree, with voices about feedback. There are zillions of great suggestions here. Just read them. People here always say, that there are many crap suggestions, and because of that whole section sucks. but what u expecting? the more suggestions, the more GOOD ones. Its simple.
Ill hope u will still runnng this server, after the wipe, but unfortunately it could be really difficult after implementing new content.
players tend to farm and hoard ("just wait
until I get stronger, I will pay you back!!!", "HAHA I have a stack of 100 dynamites! Soon I will have 200
and THEN I will show them", "I don't feel safe without at least 100 BAs, how could I fight tomorrow? :S").
Maybe they should change their approach, but I doubt it's possible.
I dont doubt that. Players will not hoard stuff as sonn as some pvp market starts to work. But i doubt taht any working market will ever be implemented. :-(
Most wipe bull*** comes from players, it's not the fault of the staff that players spread rumors.
Maybe once or twice in 2 years a dev made a mistake and gave some vague date like "if everything goes
well it should be in a month, but maybe not". Can you blame them if people ask this shit every day?
Personally I think we make a mistake everytime we say "soon" (although I don't know if GMs still do this,
I believe now it's mainly players who keep repeating this, it really is a self-perpetuating machine from hell).
It may seem funny and normal people know it's just a trollish answer to annoying question, but some people
actually think it means "this week" and start spreading never-ending rumors about wipe and new players
believe them.
For me wipe date doesn't matter, but new (and not only new) players tend to farm and hoard ("just wait
until I get stronger, I will pay you back!!!", "HAHA I have a stack of 100 dynamites! Soon I will have 200
and THEN I will show them", "I don't feel safe without at least 100 BAs, how could I fight tomorrow? :S").
Maybe they should change their approach, but I doubt it's possible.
Maybe this word "soon" should be banned, it's not even funny anymore and it only makes people
upset over time. PLEASE, just answer: "don't know / there is no wipe date" or answer nothing and
don't use word "soon". I'm asking players, gms and devs.
Devs say:
Soon
Players say:
Soon(tm)
The developers are doing a fine job, it's hard for us, the players, to appreciate it.Another newbie missing the point, that this is open beta, server wipes are obligatory for further testing.
(...) Maybe this word "soon" should be banned, it's not even funny anymore (..)
... seriously, banning a word that's a joke because the situation associated with it is a joke? Get real.
Eternauta, you're right when you say that many players are still checking the forum for further updates. Nevertheless, the loss of several old friends who got bored of devs silence, the lack of communication which is really not difficult to maintain, the feeling of being snobbed everytime we got abused by some drunk gm or dev, or received some "soon wipe, please donate and goodbye" - I saw shitloads of new players donating for this game and leave within a week after magic cancealed -, all these little things together decrease the tremedous credits devs had at the beginning. I must say I'm quite surprised no serious matter happened to the game already. When you see game mechanics and compare all these things to other games... this community must be very mature after all.
The developers are doing a fine job, it's hard for us, the players, to appreciate it.Another newbie missing the point, that this is open beta, server wipes are obligatory for further testing.I do get the point (maybe more than you, who knows.). I think you missed my point.
POSTED BY LISAC2K AT 22:38
Friday, Friday, server gotta get wipe on Friday...
I am just sick of people using the phrase wipe is soon. Which I find creates a negative atmosphere.Ah, I see. I misunderstood a bit. It's just a matter of time you will start ignoring it all. This game has made me cruel and made me not trust anyone. "All information posted by someone from the crowd is false, devs and GMs for the win, this game is beta" is pretty much how I coordinate within this community.
How many people would be still active if people didn't spread wipe is soon?