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Cha:
Sorry to but be rude avv but, what a stupid exemple... how a non-combat char is supposed to kill anything ? ...  ::)

And for skills for pvp, its absolutley clear that its not that simple as some of these posts mention... being a noob with a good powerbuild will save you from time to time but will loose in the end... moreover in gangVSgang fights...

VongJin:

--- Quote from: avv on October 14, 2010, 10:47:13 AM ---Oh yeah? Then I'd like to see the player who manages to totally dominate in pvp with this build: http://www.nitue.net/fcp/ load public "mr.skills"

By your logic VongJin, you should be able to use that build to defeat less-skilled enemies with powerbuild chars.

And what comes to teamwork, even if you had 100 of players who played with that build, they still would lose to a dude who had enough ammo to shoot you all.


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Dude your post is senseless(butthurt?). your mr.skills build have nothing common with PVP. it's a simple crafting alt.

You wanted to show your intelligence, but showed your stupidity and no ability to engage in dialogue.

avv:

--- Quote from: Cha on October 14, 2010, 01:37:01 PM ---Sorry to but be rude avv but, what a stupid exemple... how a non-combat char is supposed to kill anything ? ...  ::)
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Who says whats non-combat char? Isn't fighting everyman's right? It's not even stupid example. VongJin said: There is no ultimate builds it's all about how skilled  u are  and how skilled your team members.

So if there is no ultimate build, and it's all about skill, then doesn't he exactly mean that no matter the build, more skilled player wins?


--- Quote from: Cha on October 14, 2010, 01:37:01 PM ---And for skills for pvp, its absolutley clear that its not that simple as some of these posts mention... being a noob with a good powerbuild will save you from time to time but will loose in the end... moreover in gangVSgang fights...
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I never said that more experienced players haven't got some aces in their sleeves, it's obvious. I just wanted to point out that build is the key factor when it comes to winning a fight. Skill only starts to take place when both sides got equal builds.


--- Quote from: VongJin on October 14, 2010, 02:45:56 PM ---Dude your post is senseless(butthurt?). your mr.skills build have nothing common with PVP. it's a simple crafting alt.

You wanted to show your intelligence, but showed your stupidity and no ability to engage in dialogue.

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You said yourself it's all about player's skills, not build. I questioned that, isn't it called normal dialogue?

Crazy:

--- Quote from: avv on October 14, 2010, 04:20:57 PM ---Who says whats non-combat char? Isn't fighting everyman's right? It's not even stupid example. VongJin said: There is no ultimate builds it's all about how skilled  u are  and how skilled your team members.

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You were talking about a big gun RL. He was talking about kind of build (small gun sniper, big gun burster, big gun RL, laser sniper, plasma tank etc...), not about build itself. He was obviously thinking only at optimized combat build. He say that all kind of optimized builds are equal, and skill make the difference.
And I agree with him, tough a bit of luck have to been taken into account. Also, due to constant balancing, some are a bit over the other (foe plasma tank when plasma was firing at 30hex, and now big gun are a bit under other because of nerf), but skill still influe enough to give you victory if you play well.

Cha:

--- Quote from: avv on October 14, 2010, 04:20:57 PM ---Who says whats non-combat char? Isn't fighting everyman's right? It's not even stupid example. VongJin said: There is no ultimate builds it's all about how skilled  u are  and how skilled your team members.


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Oh come on avv, saying that there is no ultimate build doesnt mean that all builds are equal... Useless to say (seems not) that if your build is pure shit for fight (like the the one in your link) you will do shit ...

Anyway for topic issue, pvp (moreover in groups) its far from easy click... and im really not sure "everyone" has mastered it and then justify that we need more complicated new features



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