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Solar:
--- Quote from: Solar on September 08, 2010, 11:03:10 PM ---A LSW does this much damage compared to the Avenger
Armour Fraction of Avenger Damage
None 0.5
LJ 0.7
LA 0.8
LA2 0.8
CLJ 0.8
M 0.8
M2 0.8
Tesla 0.7
CA 0.8
CA2 0.8
BCA 0.77
DPS-wise, the only critical hit weapon that comes near an Avenger is the Plasma. Its probably needs reducing back to 24 hexes, but I was sick of people moaning about it not being used. Hense we have a little experiment.
Of course if you'd prefer to make outlandish hyped up comments about weapons, ignore these facts and continue :)
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Interestingly, approximate a minigun to 10 shots and an avenger to 14. 10/14 = 0.714 vs every armour.
You see a LSW is a little bit above (or below in 3 cases) the Minigun and the Avenger is a good way above both.
Ned Logan:
--- Quote from: Solar on September 09, 2010, 01:17:23 PM ---Well, stats and traits aren't in a finished state, so I don't tend to bother with toughness or more crits as they won't be taken by everyone in the end. I stick to the fundamental ones - BRoF, 2*BRD and Better crits.
The minor ups and downs to all aspects that other traits and perks then just serve to mix the balance up a bit.
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Well every crippler powerbuild has at least 2x more crits, and 10 LK (some 8), so please count with it...
No need to bother with toughness of course, it is the damage what interests us (+ possibly bypass chance)...
eBay:
well, to be honest plasma was better than the avenger just before the wipe now it is even better than it used to be, dmg is not everything, with plasma u have knock downs, knock outs etc ...
35 30 or 25 hex doesnt really matter u cannot fight against snipers in open area anyway, these are close combat guns, after 3rd part tools bann using plasma is a pain in the ass but price and cost effe. make plasma better weapon than avenger, also things like armors, drugs ( psycho ), perks cannot save any sorry ass in front of plasma rifle with 10 luck, thats why avenger is worse
eBay:
--- Quote from: Ned Logan on September 09, 2010, 01:48:11 PM ---Well every crippler powerbuild has at least 2x more crits, and 10 LK (some 8), so please count with it...
No need to bother with toughness of course, it is the damage what interests us (+ possibly bypass chance)...
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toughness vs avenger is the most important thing, ca:ba +2 x toughness make avenger useless, Solar u are a dev just make a quick test creat 2 char. 1 with 2 brd another one with 2x toughness +ca:bh and shoot him from 1 hex using ap ammo, all ur lists of dmg are useless in front of this test then use lsw
Solar:
My lists tell me what will happen without having to bother repeating and recording the test thousands of times.
Incidentally,
Avenger, 2 BRD, 2 Toughness = ((13.5*(2/3))-4)*(1-(0.5-0.35))*14 = 59.5
LSW, 2 BRD, 2 Toughness = (33.5-12)*(1-(0.5-0.1))*4 = 51.6 (86.7%)
Avenger is still better.
Plasma Rifle, when factoring in 75% crit chance (eyes, 10 luck) does ~10.1 damage per AP against CA. An Avenger does ~17.7. May very well be that the crit effects make it worth more, but things can be done to allow you to "save" vs those things (like stonewall now does)
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