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DonGizmo:
not everyone (pvp build) choose 2x toughness, sometimes you dont take even first one and you replace it by Stonewall, and i think, that if awareness perk would looks like on FOCD (so you can see how many HP, what kind of gun/ammo,.. EVERYBODY has), there would be less toughness perks in the snipers builds

Marko69:
Toughness complete waste, go for offense not defense, what you think 250hp tank with toughness will save you? He will be too slow or blind, such build won't work now.

Aryan2:
H0ws it g0in s0lar :)

not my intention to have a dig man but we've seen a constant nerfing of bg, the avenger inparticular, since the start of beta. it still amazes me that we've had players 'testing' this game for over a year now, who voice thier opinion about the state of bg or the game in general yet all the sudden changes seem to be a reaction to the whinings of a minority of new payers who generaly are only around for a few weeks, a month tops, leaving us long term players to deal with the changes.

the pourpose of avenger pure dmg, it has no knockdowns or cripples, just dmg, and as a consequence of this it uses more ap and in pratice makes a charcter somewheat slower in pvp. now we see this weapn doing dmg in the viciniy of 80 dmg (prewipe, less now) midrange armred target in practice, a crit player with a 10mm pistol can do more, and has knock downs too boot. As bg players we no longer have the support of jet or fast shot, what exactly is the point of using bg aside from show?

As it stands today solar an average pvp fight is, bg bursts sg for 80 dmg, sg shoots, bg kncked down, fight over. Balance?

maszrum:
its hard to dont agre with aryan :/

Crazy:
Crit LSW build with stonewall are the only solution for Big Gunners I think. You simply don't deal enough damage with an avenger and 2*BRD, when a nasty crit with LSW is enough, less expansive, more effective, even if you deal 20 dmg less than avenger when you don't crit.

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