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[Zak Blayde]

I thought leveling was a problem, because it's really boring. And I thought we should avoid it by beginning lvl21. But I was wrong.

I figured out the leveling wasn't the problem. The problem is that currently, the leveling means using non massively multiplayers gameplay mechanics, like PvE or quests.

There is no point to remove PvE or quests become some players like it, but we should find new ways of leveling, more in accord with a MMOG.

Some examples of leveling and experience system in other games :

EVE Online: Character advancement is accomplished through the activation of skill training kits. Once a training kit is utilized, a certain period of time must elapse before training is complete and the skill is functional. The activation time required is measured in real time and training continues regardless of whether or not a player is connected to the game. The training time needed for skills may range from less than an hour to several days, depending on the type and complexity of the skill.

Ultima Online: You gain XP by using your skills. You don't have to kill a creature to gain XP, just hitting it is enough. The good point with it is that it can be easily applied to PvP (but must be balanced, hitting a lower level shouldn't make you gain XP) and make the XP sharing easier.

A NWN2 server I was on: Role Play communication give you experience ! If you use the RP channel, you gain XP. It's a really cool system for non combative characters. But it's kinda hard to avoid system abuses. The communication have to make you win just a little XP, making combat more interesting for those who would abuse RP XP system.

An article about the 3 main leveling systems : http://word-of-shadow.blogspot.com/2008/05/best-rpg-leveling-system.html

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I don't think just changing the leveling system would be enough. We could keep it just as it is because we want FOnline:2238 to stay a little faithful to Fallout2.

But we need to think about new ways to level, more in accord with Massively Multiplayers gameplay mechanics.

Some ideas ?

[Winston Wolf]

The devs are going to implent other ways to level for sure, don't worry.

[Ned Logan]

At least it would be nice if it was viable to lvl multiplayer PvE, not like currently - who kills gets the exp.

[runboy93]

This is FOnline not ultima online (or i hope so..)
Default leveling in FOnline is good.

[Pandemon]

Actual PvE is fine. There are other things which are more important atm.

[Ned Logan]

There is hardly something more ironic about FOnline 2238, a massively multiplayer online role-playing game, than that the best way to level up is to do it alone, preferrably hiding from other people.

[Pandemon]

Multiplayer don't have to mean multiplayer getting experience.
Multiplayer means that you can meet other real players here.

[Zak Blayde]

Multiplayer don't have to mean multiplayer getting experience.
Multiplayer means that you can meet other real players here.

Yes but why should it stay as it is ? Why can't we be innovative ? You're incredibly conservative.

The devs are going to implent other ways to level for sure, don't worry.

I hope so, but Beta means also suggestions. It's really not a problem to talk about it and try to find innovative ideas.

[Pandemon]

Yes but why should it stay as it is ? Why can't we be innovative ? You're incredibly conservative.

I hope so, but Beta means also suggestions. It's really not a problem to talk about it and try to find innovative ideas.

I have nothing to your suggestion except that there are more important things now to implement or repair.

[Izual]

At least it would be nice if it was viable to lvl multiplayer PvE, not like currently - who kills gets the exp.

Don't worry ! :p Devs already said a shared-XP system is needed in FOnline, so it's on their (Huge, but still) to-do list.

@Zak : I've been reading the article you linked in the first post, and the time-based system is quite interesting imo. However, it would be a big change to FOnline, and would maybe bring the game too far from original Fallout 1 & 2 :/

@Pandemon, if you have nothing to say, stop posting. Kthxbye

[Nyan]

Exp for roleplaying?

Jolly good.

[runboy93]

shared exp sounds good, but anything else fail

[Badger]

Since when did Nyan get back? Awesome.

I think the level system does need rethinking. I can see why 21 was chosen, but it also seems like a pretty severe cutoff. That once you've hit 21, that's it, your character can't evolve any more. I guess earnable upgrades would help. Vault City Inoculations, etc.

[Alvarez]

XP for combat MISSIONS would be cool, if you're in a NPC faction, like BoS, Enclave or Rangers/Raiders.

[Quentin Lang]

Leveling over quests HAS to be improved. Who the heck apart from zealoteous roleplayer would do a quest that needs about 30 minutes and rewards you with 300 xp while you can go killing floats and cents and get about 5-10k xp (dependant on what build/support/lucky) in the same ammount of time.