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Author Topic: GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent  (Read 20102 times)

JovankaB

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Re: GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2010, 11:34:49 pm »

How about implementing some feedback everytime a GM interacts with a player? I'm talking basic info, like "you've been done X by Y" etc?

Problem is sometimes when you are testing for cheats (mostly bots) you don't want player to have any feedback... But I suppose it could be done somehow, no window blinking etc.
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Re: GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2010, 11:35:46 pm »

The situation here is sort of fucked up. Basically, people here know what the GMs can and can't do, but they have no info on how they're using their powers. On most other game servers, people have plenty of feedback on how they're using their powers, but don't know jack shit about what's happening behind the scenes. The only thing I'm fighting for here is the ability to know three things whenever a GM interacts with a player: who, with whom, what did he do. I don't really care about "how", because I know more than I would care for.

People playing other games on others servers can make a good assumption of what GMs can and can't do on those servers.
And on those servers they have not much information about how those powers are used either, perhaps with exception to banned players who might either complain on a forum or be listed as banned somewhere.
It's quite normal you don't know what's happening behind the scenes, simply because you don't have to know.
People don't have plenty of feedback on how GMs are using their powers on most servers. If there's feedback, it's mostly because someone who's behaviour got corrected started a forum thread whining about it and the GM in question tells his/her side of the story.
GMs should always identify themselves when interacting with other players on behalf of their GM role. They should also do so if they step intervene in a situation.
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The only thing I'm fighting for here is the ability to know three things whenever a GM interacts with a player: who, with whom, what did he do. I don't really care about "how", because I know more than I would care for.

Personally I don't want you or anyone else to know when I contacted a GM, whom I have spoken with and what it was about.
Perhaps I just reported a possible cheater, dual logger or fast relogger.

Well, if you want to be racist here please keep it to yourself. I don't really want to know about your prejudices. Just FYI, 2 of the GMs are Poles and there's a Pole in the Dev team.

You're offended?
Why?
Should I have called you a rightwing nationalist for specifically and for no special reason refering to the fact it was posted in the Polish subforum?
I said it before, I say it again, I have no idea why you refered to that fact.
You not explaining it, only feeds the idea it was some kind of nationalistic pride.
I have met Polish people in various foreign countries (foreign for them and me) and they were all nice and friendly people.
Most Polish people I met on the FOnline server are assholes with a serious lack of social skills.
And no, that's not due to a language barrier.
As far Wolfenstein Enemy Territory goes, yes we banned over 90% of Polish players from our severs after we caught them cheating.
We never banned without a reason and we actually discussed every ban preferably before we issued it.

Methods used by GMs to detect cheaters and exploiters are well-known already.Yeah, and all people with account's name starting on H are known for spreading only bullshit here.
Seriously, you have just made my day. You forgot to mention that every Pole is a thief.

You're talking forum or game accounts now cause if it's forum you forgot to mention names starting with the letter K.
If I made your day with that, you have a sad life.
Apparently you're Polish, so you should know best.

And one suggestion when you won't show gm's logs just allow players to look on their own logs I thing in players logs you can see what gm do with you (example teleporting etc)

I missed out on that 1 at first, thanks for mentioning it again.
That indeed is a good feature.
It should come with it's own colour, so it's easier noticed.
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Re: GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2010, 11:41:58 pm »

It should come with it's own colour, so it's easier noticed.
What does it mean? I don't understand why looking on my own logs should be in colour o0
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Re: GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2010, 11:51:06 pm »

What does it mean? I don't understand why looking on my own logs should be in colour o0

I assumed you also mean it would be visible in the text box on the screen.
Than press F2 for a log.
In the box it would be useful if it has it's own colour. The log file itself is plain text, so no colours there.
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Re: GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2010, 11:54:12 pm »

and I on my sugestion I mean just simple program where you can login onto your character log (daily log from server or sth) with this same login/password what is your character
It can be simple implemented ;)
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Re: GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
« Reply #50 on: July 19, 2010, 12:02:45 am »

Well, I never had any trouble with GMs (I mean, nothing that I really matter), since the begining of the beta, I trust them like I trust devs, but, in a concern to be fair, yeah, maybe some "rules" concerning GMs rights should be set to reassure all the paranoids...  :P
Ideas 3 et 4 sound good, but where can we find this fair-minded guy ? We will never be agree to choose this guy...




 
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Re: GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
« Reply #51 on: July 19, 2010, 12:06:11 am »

Well, I never had any trouble with GMs (I mean, nothing that I really matter), since the begining of the beta, I trust them like I trust devs, but, in a concern to be fair, yeah, maybe some "rules" concerning GMs rights should be set to reassure all the paranoids...  :P
Ideas 3 et 4 sound good, but where can we find this fair-minded guy ? We will never be agree to choose this guy...




 
How about me  ;D. jking jking.

Btw although I entirely agree we need some rules and ways to get evidence of possibly "abuse" you can't expect someone to monitor GMs literally 24/7, perfectly....  Its just too much work in my mindset.
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Re: GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
« Reply #52 on: July 19, 2010, 12:31:14 am »

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it would be very easy to prove that a GM is spying for his favorite faction.

Of course, we're here to help our mates to defeat Rogues. What else ?

I agree we need some new rules about some behaviours that haven't been discussed already, but as I told to my mates when we discussed about this thread, I trust all GMs for their involvement into the game. So far I only saw people complaining about GM abuses who were, in fact, the abusers themselves.

Btw, here is a funny example that just happened when I was reading the thread :

[0:07:20] (Channel) XXX: WHAT A FUCK ARE YOU DOING&&&????
[0:07:45] (Channel) XXX: why you kill fucking remix in redding!!!?

I wasnt even connected and someone came to cry about an abuse. These days, I see people crying about abuse everytime something bad happened to them. It is some sort of mode or what ? I also see more and more people insulting GMs into NCR for free. And they whine when they got jailed after spamming something like I saw just some hours ago : "TheBob suck my dick !"

Hell, continue on this way, and I'll perform my first true bans. Yeah, the only true ban I performed in days was some multiple logger who just ignored the rules about that. We're not your monkeys, and we don't consider you all as ours.
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Re: GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
« Reply #53 on: July 19, 2010, 01:24:09 am »

shangalaer then what are u gonna say about izual events for NA ?
free stuff free ammo free events ? only for choosen ones while other factions hadnt got a chance to do it ...
also not so long ago i was showing u a screenshoot with a guy ( samurai bbs member ) with a dog's skin from half sack scouting other faction's rush,
nice boat used to play with a gm, he knows how much a gm is able to do, if he says that it means that it takes place ....

and again what is this NCR military camp ??? why some people had free stuff ammo and builds?
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Re: GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
« Reply #54 on: July 19, 2010, 02:14:02 am »

shangalaer then what are u gonna say about izual events for NA ?
free stuff free ammo free events ? only for choosen ones while other factions hadnt got a chance to do it ...
also not so long ago i was showing u a screenshoot with a guy ( samurai bbs member ) with a dog's skin from half sack scouting other faction's rush,
nice boat used to play with a gm, he knows how much a gm is able to do, if he says that it means that it takes place ....

and again what is this NCR military camp ??? why some people had free stuff ammo and builds?

You apparently don't know anything about "roleplaying" (for the NCR military camp), nothing about "asking to a nice GM to do a training" (nothing prevent you to organize such a thing, but no, you prefer cry "hey they have a close event, GM ABUZE!!1!". You could cry about the event NAvsDA too, it was close event...). Oh and he have a dog skin! My god, it will help him much for scooting! Like a dog he will be able to use his nose maybe?
Man the point of all of this is to do fun thing which are not like all days things in Fonline, and if you have fun with that, and it don't prevent the fun of other people, what the hell is wrong?
Seriously...
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Re: GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
« Reply #55 on: July 19, 2010, 02:26:15 am »

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

that's what im talking about, everything is alright as this guy says
gm is checking ur locker, sorry i forgot it's ok he is just RPG
GM is using the same mumble channel with some gang members and obsing a battle at the same time,
oh sorry its only RPG or he just wanna see some action

u know what i wanna do some RPG in modoc, den and other places, i will be a bad player killer, please find me some gm who will give free stuff k?
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Re: GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
« Reply #56 on: July 19, 2010, 02:29:28 am »

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shangalaer then what are u gonna say about izual events for NA ?
free stuff free ammo free events ? only for choosen ones while other factions hadnt got a chance to do it ...
also not so long ago i was showing u a screenshoot with a guy ( samurai bbs member ) with a dog's skin from half sack scouting other faction's rush,
nice boat used to play with a gm, he knows how much a gm is able to do, if he says that it means that it takes place ....

Free stuff yes, like in all events. But we don't keep the stuff at the end.
And maybe if Rogues/BBS/Yuras/etc. would not act like jerks they could participate on more events.
It reminds me the event with Wright family in Sierra. Only TTTLA and VSB were accepted to the event. Why ? Because when GMs trieds to gather people before the event, Rogues and other started to shot at everybody.
Don't be hypocrites : if you act like kids then GMs don't like you and if you are able to feel it then you become paranoid.

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Re: GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
« Reply #57 on: July 19, 2010, 02:35:06 am »

"asking to a nice GM to do a training" (nothing prevent you to organize such a thing, but no, you prefer cry "hey they have a close event, GM ABUZE!!1!"

the thing is gms do it only for "friends" if u are not a friend and ask them u will see a middle finger, they help friends, give stuff to friends and nobody can do anything about it,
u know what one of my mates got 3k ammo from a gm, i spoke with lexx and solar and they werent able to say anything about it, he is a gm for free after all, right?
so we have to let them slap people from time to time, kill'em bann 'em nuke'em from time to time, and u know what, some of these gms are players as well, traders, fighters, if i kill him today he will remember my acc tomorrow when i ask him about something, are u really sure hes gonna help me in the same way as if he wasnt a player?
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Re: GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
« Reply #58 on: July 19, 2010, 02:38:44 am »

You apparently don't know anything about "roleplaying" (for the NCR military camp),
I'll repeat what one of my friends said, after another battle with NCR Army out there somewhere:
"OK, that's fine, now I want to role play Enclave patrols, so give me APA mk2 and Vindicator for free :)"

Roleplaying? Fine. But whole crafting system is working well, so why one group of players has to craft all shit for hours and the other gets it for free? Not that I'm bothered by it that much, because well, more loot, the better, but if I was some trader from NCR then I would get seriously pissed off :)
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nothing about "asking to a nice GM to do a training
First, you must have a GM friend or a GM that once belonged to your faction, because otherwise no one will make any "training event" for you.
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And maybe if Rogues/BBS/Yuras/etc. would not act like jerks they could participate on more events.
Please don't troll. The thing that those mentioned are "bad PKers" is so bad for you? Is the fact that GMs couldn't handle few PKers at the location the event was taking place making someone "jerk"? Yes, maybe Shangalar and Izual don't like "Rogues/BBS/Yuras", as they were their enemies for the last year.
Re: GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
« Reply #59 on: July 19, 2010, 02:41:14 am »

Free stuff yes, like in all events. But we don't keep the stuff at the end.
And maybe if Rogues/BBS/Yuras/etc. would not act like jerks they could participate on more events.
It reminds me the event with Wright family in Sierra. Only TTTLA and VSB were accepted to the event. Why ? Because when GMs trieds to gather people before the event, Rogues and other started to shot at everybody.
Don't be hypocrites : if you act like kids then GMs don't like you and if you are able to feel it then you become paranoid.



u forgot that Izual was a member of NA, free events only for one side are not right, are they ?
"if you act like kids then GMs don't like you" what does it mean ? he only supposed to look at people and do something when they break rules, its nothing about being freinds or like someone or not, dude its a game and he is a gm GAME MASTER, if i go around killing people it doesnt give him a right to kill me or nuke me or spam 300 mutants just b/c in his mind great NCR or Broken hills that is near is so powerful that supposed to send some soldiers to kill me
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