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[corosive]

I just tried using a BB Gun as a "cost effective" weapon... but I just realized that its pretty crappy... with 4 ap cost, cheap ammo and an average damage of 1-2 hp on raiders it's pretty much garbage. My fists can do way better. So I suggest lowering the ap cost of BB Guns (and implementing the old ideas of the Red Ryder BB Gun) to something productive like 2 per shot. 3 per Aimed Shot, 3 to reload (your pouring at most 100 bb's into a canister) this would make the very cheap BB guns worth something to someone... When I go mining I want a cheap ranged weapon to bring with me along with my sledge, the BB gun seemed like the perfect weapon until I used it and found out that I might as well just use my own fists or the sledge itself...

so thats it! Lower the ap cost of BB guns to make them a very cost effective ranged weapon or lets be able to craft Pipe Rifles! If this has already been said well im sorry! :p but it should have been implemented by now! lol we need a use for bb guns seriously....

oh and btw completly off topic but Police Batons (Clubs) should inflict an extra 5% chance off knockdown or knockout... 

[gordulan]

instakills?

[virus341]

Yeah 3 ap (BRoF taken) eyeshot would be fckin nice.

[Roachor]

I agree, the str requirement should also be 1 because it has no recoil, it's a spring firing mechanism meant for small children. As for insta kills, yeah that would be the only reason to seriously use this weapon but even at a faster shot rate it's still a 13% max chance and every hit that isnt an instalkill will do nothing so it's not a serious pvp weapon. Also it has pretty low range for a rifle.

[corosive]

how can you possibly get an instant kill with a BB Gun ? All you have to do is make to so you can't get an instant kill with a BB Gun... simple...
I would just like to fire it 4 times in a round and each shot do about 1-2 everytime... just set a max damage. But the ability to shoot someone in the eye and cripple their eye is realistic but if they are covered in armour its going to be a tough shot.

[geraioptuaer]

I think it would be better to make the crit to eye a lot lower and give snipers better chances for hitting other limbs so it acts less like a railgun from quake

[blahblah]

Leave the AP cost as it is, but make the damage 5-8 instead of 1-2. This would make the BBgun a tempting alternative to 10mm pistol for newbs because 10mm ammo is hard to make.

[gordulan]

i would prefer 7-8 damage, maybe even 6-9.

[Roachor]

Leave the AP cost as it is, but make the damage 5-8 instead of 1-2. This would make the BBgun a tempting alternative to 10mm pistol for newbs because 10mm ammo is hard to make.

It's a bb gun, the real life equivalent you'd be hard pressed to kill a small bird at ten feet.

[blahblah]

It's a bb gun, the real life equivalent you'd be hard pressed to kill a small bird at ten feet.

I don't know what BB guns you've been using, but my cheap run-of-the-mill pistol can shatter bottles from 10 metres. A reasonably well made rifle can easily go right through a small animal from 10-15 metres. With pellets you'd probably kill any small bird from 20 metres if you can hit it.

[Roachor]

I don't know what BB guns you've been using, but my cheap run-of-the-mill pistol can shatter bottles from 10 metres. A reasonably well made rifle can easily go right through a small animal from 10-15 metres. With pellets you'd probably kill any small bird from 20 metres if you can hit it.

You're forgetting how old and shitty the red ryder bb gun is, it's a toy.

[blahblah]

You're forgetting how old and shitty the red ryder bb gun is, it's a toy.

In my imagination it's a medium-class bb gun used for sports shooting. Also, it's crafted from wood and junk, my char can add a bit of oomph to it :p

[corosive]

just lower the ap cost by 1 lol forget damage we need a cost effective gun we can shoot 50 times for cheap that doesnt break often but a damage of 1-5 would be good against rats and ants...

[Frosti]

Those are not casual rats - those are biggest, most badasses rats taht survived fallout - you need at last 10 mm bullet for them. BB gun is good to troll bluesuits tho.

[BrunoAnso]

perhaps keep the damage low, cant kill anyone, but allow for the normal blinding by eye crit thing, with a normal one having average accuracy and the LE having high accuracy, so its expensive, non-lethal (practically) and can blind.