fodev.net
15.08.2009 - 23.06.2013
"Wasteland is harsh"
Home Forum Help Login Register
  • December 22, 2024, 08:14:27 pm
  • Welcome, Guest
Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Play WikiBoy BugTracker Developer's blog
Pages: [1] 2 3 4

Author Topic: Restrict insta kills to players that have the better critical perk  (Read 8234 times)


If insta kills are going to be implemented in game it should only be for players and only players with better crit. AI should never be able to instantly kill you because it makes the game too dependent on luck, plus it's not like they have the perk so why should they all magically have this ability?
Logged
 

FischiPiSti

  • frikkin' SledgeHammer
  • Offline
Re: Restrict insta kills to players that have the better critical perk
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2010, 10:28:43 pm »

If insta kills are going to be implemented in game it should only be for players and only players with better crit. AI should never be able to instantly kill you because it makes the game too dependent on luck, plus it's not like they have the perk so why should they all magically have this ability?
Instant kills should not be in an mmo game in the first place.

Other games dont feature abilities that damage for X% hp (only constants like X, or X-Y), because in bossfights where the boss has millions of hp that would be imba. Afaik Frank Horrigans crit table didnt include instant kills. For that exact same reason this game should not either. 400 damage instakilled mean centaurs, and enclave patrol? No.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2010, 10:30:17 pm by FischiPiSti »
Logged
Troll.
HtH suggestions: Melee: +DR(PA)
Unarmed: +AC(active sneak should boost AC as they are "less visible")
General "class" idea pool in the form of new perks with high skillrequirements: http://anarchyonline.wikia.com/wiki/Professions
Re: Restrict insta kills to players that have the better critical perk
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2010, 12:57:18 am »

Instant kills should not be in an mmo game in the first place.
*
Also, adding them to Better Criticals it's not a solution. Again, this will only increase cloned-people, with all the same perks (Toughness, Lifegiver, Better Criticals...).
Logged
Want to play Hardcore? Choose Melee!
I still fight for HtH rights. Join the cause in http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=3723.0
Re: Restrict insta kills to players that have the better critical perk
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2010, 02:47:07 am »

*
Also, adding them to Better Criticals it's not a solution. Again, this will only increase cloned-people, with all the same perks (Toughness, Lifegiver, Better Criticals...).

Insta kills are only supposed to work with better crit, it's about rolling over 100 on the crit table.
Logged
 

Sius

  • Sheep EX machina!
  • Offline
Re: Restrict insta kills to players that have the better critical perk
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2010, 04:19:49 pm »

Insta kills sucks ass.

Just imagine PvE with those. You fight your way through some "dungeon" just to find out that final boss was 5 shot work. That would be hella disappointment for me.
Re: Restrict insta kills to players that have the better critical perk
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2010, 07:09:00 pm »

Yeah, nothing is more frustrating than an instakill. In any game.
Logged
Re: Restrict insta kills to players that have the better critical perk
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2010, 07:58:56 pm »

I don't mind it for pvp as it gives all weapons a chance to kill so everyone doesn't end up bursting as the only option, and it's still only 13% chance to kill with maximum crit % and eye shot. You're much more likely to succeed with smgs.
Logged
 

Johnny Nuclear

  • Rotator
  • hrmm
  • Offline
Re: Restrict insta kills to players that have the better critical perk
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2010, 08:05:05 pm »

there was mistake with instants few wipes ago, i dont know why admins did same mistake again
« Last Edit: April 19, 2010, 08:06:51 pm by Johnny Nuclear »
Logged
Rockwell gold card owner.

Sius

  • Sheep EX machina!
  • Offline
Re: Restrict insta kills to players that have the better critical perk
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2010, 08:09:38 pm »

there was mistake with instants few wipes ago, i dont know why admins did same mistake again

Well I must say that in current PvP it has its place. But I would not like anything like that in later versions.

Johnny Nuclear

  • Rotator
  • hrmm
  • Offline
Re: Restrict insta kills to players that have the better critical perk
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2010, 09:20:14 pm »

Well I must say that in current PvP it has its place. But I would not like anything like that in later versions.
sorry sius but i havent seen u in PvP for ... last 5 months ?
Logged
Rockwell gold card owner.

FischiPiSti

  • frikkin' SledgeHammer
  • Offline
Re: Restrict insta kills to players that have the better critical perk
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2010, 11:06:26 pm »

Insta kills are only supposed to work with better crit, it's about rolling over 100 on the crit table.
Even thats wrong. An extreme multiplier like 6x would have the same effect most of the times in PvP, but still wouldnt kill a centaur, etc. So even if it extreme, i vote for 6x multiplier with 101+ rolls(only achievable with better criticals) instead of instakills.
Logged
Troll.
HtH suggestions: Melee: +DR(PA)
Unarmed: +AC(active sneak should boost AC as they are "less visible")
General "class" idea pool in the form of new perks with high skillrequirements: http://anarchyonline.wikia.com/wiki/Professions
Re: Restrict insta kills to players that have the better critical perk
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2010, 01:40:05 am »

Even thats wrong. An extreme multiplier like 6x would have the same effect most of the times in PvP, but still wouldnt kill a centaur, etc. So even if it extreme, i vote for 6x multiplier with 101+ rolls(only achievable with better criticals) instead of instakills.

I like it because it makes flavour weapons like throwing knife viable, 6x on 12 dmg isn't enough to make it playable. Plus 13% max chance per shot (unless you us unarmed) still makes it a rare enough occurrence that it isn't OP. I say we keep it just because you can only do it with a specific build and that build still doesn't compare to  a burst smg/mini build. The addition of chance is nice because in fonline, like in life, nothing is ever certain.
Logged
 

FischiPiSti

  • frikkin' SledgeHammer
  • Offline
Re: Restrict insta kills to players that have the better critical perk
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2010, 02:10:01 am »

Its not a question of liking, but rather an issue of balance. Dont take it the wrong way, i respect your opinion, but in this case, this "feature" is a potential gamebreaker.
Imagine the scenario: Some mutant forgot to close the door to the masters bunker. A mosquito entered the bunker at night, and decided to have a snack. Master was critically "stinged" for 99999999 damage to the eye. A few days later the Vault Dweller arrives armed to the teeth to end the tyranny, and finds the Master dead. Game Over.
Lethal BB guns against APA MKII is just wrong. Sure, low chance, and only a few selected individuals(better criticals) could achieve kills with it, but even the slightest of chance means huge differences in RPGs. Players grind days, weeks just to get a 1% damage increase in some games. And im saying this as a current unarmed fighter not a BG, if anyone needs boost, then its HtH. But not this way. Besides aimed throwing knife to the eye blinding the opponent, knocking him out and doing 68 damage bypassing armor is quite a nice effect imo.
OR, it WOULD be plausable, if there was a "resilience" stat like in wow, that decreases chance to critically hit/decreases crit effectiveness. This way, players could at least take countermeasures against killer crits.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2010, 02:15:23 am by FischiPiSti »
Logged
Troll.
HtH suggestions: Melee: +DR(PA)
Unarmed: +AC(active sneak should boost AC as they are "less visible")
General "class" idea pool in the form of new perks with high skillrequirements: http://anarchyonline.wikia.com/wiki/Professions
Re: Restrict insta kills to players that have the better critical perk
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2010, 02:28:13 am »

You say it's a balance problem but I don't think it is. It gives a viable alternative to bursting, which otherwise is the only real combat choice. Energy weapons either suck or have ammo that are a huge pain to make, unarmed is a joke, small guns is based around the p90 and miniguns were the main choice (although apparently they've been nerfed). Without instakills there is nothing to balance against. Also wow has some of the most bland pvp you could hope to find anywhere, grinding for weeks for a 1% bonus you'll barely notice is boring as shit. Having an element of chance adds excitement to the game. Also your mosquito thing is pretty irrelevant, I'm talking about players here.
Logged
 
Re: Restrict insta kills to players that have the better critical perk
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2010, 03:06:38 am »

Instant kills should be just RARE. I mean, for a crit sniper there should be a tiny chance to score a critical hit, even if he scored critical straight into the eyes. I mean making instakills sth that makes you say "WHOA I'm a luckbox!" (and his target: "Fuck, I'm so unlucky :((( "). In my opinion, no more than 1-2% of all eye-crits should cause an instakill.
Pages: [1] 2 3 4
 

Page created in 0.17 seconds with 21 queries.