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SG Sniper PvP balance
avv:
--- Quote from: Fat Man on November 24, 2012, 05:15:09 pm ---This has already been done why its complete shit. You have this +40 critical defense and stonewall if you were to take all these perks, traits and combat helmets on top of it.
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Actually the damage multiplier is there but most builds have over 4 luck which means that 1/3 of your crits do bypass, that's not very good. Sniper damages are mostly being reduced by luck, crit power resists from perks only effect the multiplier and effects. At least that's how it seems, since it's hard to tell due to crit tables being a mystery.
You can see this by shooting someone with luck1 in the arm with laser. It can do over 120 dmg. Trust me, luck is something that makes sniper crits very weak. I know this by playing luck1 sneaks. Even some crappy laser pistol does over 100 dmg.
--- Quote ---Begining of session had it right but the changes to RBtE changed this.
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That's because in the very beginning many people had luck1 builds.
--- Quote ---What so we can sit there and shoot it 4 times in a fight with a fast shot build?
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I'm talking about aimed torso shots. Nobody shoots at torso atm.
--- Quote ---Its fine way it is what is wrong with eye head shots doing good amount of damage requires more skill points and action points to use.The sniper shot requires the most AP out of all the builds, and it doesn't make up for anything.
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Well you yourself suggested that helmets could break if multiple headshots were fired at it.
Besides, the enemy builds also invested perks to resist those attacks. A build without bonehead and stonewall is very vulnerable to head knockouts.
--- Quote ---This has already been done why we have full DR amors but the deterioration % determines the chance to reduce bypasses.
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Yeah but how many people run around with less than 50% condition armors?
--- Quote ---AVV please just play sniper for once all I see is you running around on big gunners and sneakers you do not play sniper enough as far as I see to understand what is wrong with the sniper.
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I know that head/eyes are bad targets to aim. But you yourself wanted diversity in the game. If you just plant a massive buff on them head and eyeshots, nobody's gonna aim anywhere else. Why aim groins or arms if shooting in head/eyes would result in best damage and effects?
And what's more, what about the builds without anti crit perks? If you buff head and eyes so that they can smash builds with the anticrit perks, the builds without those perks would be obliterated even easier. That if something would reduce diversity because everyone would have to pick those anticrit perks to keep up.
--- Quote ---Yes reduce the multiplier when a normal none critical shot on that unlucky roll does 4-6 damage, lets reduce it to x2 for top critical roll so we can now do 12 damage isntead of 50-60 on a bonehead build
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But you could always aim in torso for guaranteed good damage - if my proposal was followed. Even if you had stonewall bonehead guy against you, you could still cause knockouts by groin and then damage through torso.
Fat Man:
--- Quote from: avv on November 24, 2012, 05:42:32 pm ----snip-
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Its about all the same damage no matter where you shoot, I have shot in every part of body but its all about the same people aim head eye because it does more damage. I think leg shots should do a little more, and I think they should make a differnt crit table for eyes, so you make a specific build. You want to do damage shoot eye, want to do knock outs shoot head/groin and want to criple limbs shoot arm and leg. Maybe some new offensive sniper perks like "limb shooter" where it increases damage on limbs or something would be interesting.
So we have RbTE for head/eye builds, maybe a "limb shooter" perk for shooting arms and legs, and hell I can't think of creative name for a groin shooter. Maybe a perk like "limb shooter" +10% more damage on limbs. So you can take the perks iron grip and tree trunk thighs to defend agiasnt the annoying cripling affects but it will at least do some damage.
The main issue I have with sniper is eye shooting this should be better, you have to line up a shot to eye it requires more skill points 250% to be exact to hit 95% and its actually worse than a groin shot or head shot which requires less skill points to aim to.
Although idea of aimed torso shot is an interesting idea, and .223 ammo having a critical perk is nice idea.
But at this point discussing new features and ideas to be added in is something more so would require a new session, as far as we know if they wipe the game agian for a new session we might not have the features of this one. It might be something entirely differnt agian.
Roachor:
"crappy laser pistol" has 40 base damage, of course its over 100 on a crit. Mlp > sniper rifle
avv:
--- Quote from: Fat Man on November 24, 2012, 05:49:08 pm ---Its about all the same damage no matter where you shoot
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It's because of luck the enemy has. Luck reduces potential bypasses to normal multiplier hits which helmet resistances diminish. Non-finesse sniper can do feasible damage still, but with finesse it's basically impossible to kill a luck over 4 max hp bg.
Instead of adding bodypart-specific perks it'd be better that any sniper could aim everywhere. This is because if a limbshooter sniper encountered a character who had chosen anti limb-crit perks he basically couldn't win. It'd be like fighting a gatling laser build while wearing tesla. Because of this reason headshooter snipers are so bad because almost every bg is protected against headshots. It's not good balance that some builds simply can't win other ones.
That's why it'd be better that if you meet a char that is protected against headshots, you could simply shoot him elsewhere. Having torso shots to cause guaranteed damage is one solution.
--- Quote ---The main issue I have with sniper is eye shooting this should be better, you have to line up a shot to eye it requires more skill points 250% to be exact to hit 95% and its actually worse than a groin shot or head shot which requires less skill points to aim to.
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True it takes sometimes skill to put a succesful eyeshot, but sometimes it's completely accidental. You can't compare eyeshot to for example bg onehex, which doesn't really happen accidentally that often.
But it's good feature that crits can be situational. For example legshots could cause a guaranteed knockdown when shooting at running target.
--- Quote ---and .223 ammo having a critical perk is nice idea.
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Well it was more like that we could have some rare and expensive "High quality .223 ammo". That could be crafted and bought only in small quantities. Similarly rare as gauss ammo is. We could even have "high quality .44" ammo so that those magnums and desert eagles could do more than troll. There's no difference between rare ammo and guns in terms of value.
Fat Man:
I'm kind of a traditionalist don't really like new weapons and ammo added into the game I do enjoy the original aspect of it all, I think .223 having some hidden feature or some perk added to it in regards to criticals is something I would like not an entirely new ammo.
I think the option of making specialized sniper build is more like it instead of making something completely useless and not an option to use like eye shots. You make specialized eye shooter if you want damage, make a head spammer if you want knock outs and limb shooter for cripling, and groin is secondary option if player using bonehead, good helmet or is using a anti-cripling build.
I don't know if its just me but i hear this from many other players but the eye shot criticals doesn't seem right and only does knock down rolls rarely causes a good roll.
Of course luck is defense vs bypasses but eye shooting should be changed to do some hidden bonus to do more bypasses not saying every shot bypass but still.
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