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[Giftless]

Thought some of you survivalists might enjoy this; it has nuclear themes and scary puppets

http://archive.org/details/rural_civil_defense_tv_spots_1965

[Cyber Jesus]

the fuck is this some kind of US propaganda movie?

[Gob]

oh, i get it. obama is banning semi-auto's and handguns, and now people are pissed and getting ready for civil war.

[Roachor]

Hay is well known for its radiation blocking properties

[Giftless]

Hay is well known for its radiation blocking properties

It might be dumbed down; but assuming you don't have concrete block or lead shielding, getting a couple of feet of soil between you and the blast is about the best way to reduce exposure to the initial radiation.

Then if you consider that soil is primarily decayed plant material... Hay isn't exactly a nonsensical material to line the walls of a barn with.

[Roachor]

It might be dumbed down; but assuming you don't have concrete block or lead shielding, getting a couple of feet of soil between you and the blast is about the best way to reduce exposure to the initial radiation.

Then if you consider that soil is primarily decayed plant material... Hay isn't exactly a nonsensical material to line the walls of a barn with.

Soil is dense, hay is dry grass in bales. I'm pretty sure that would do nothing to help.

[Giftless]

Soil is dense, hay is dry grass in bales. I'm pretty sure that would do nothing to help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_protection

Shielding: The term 'biological shield' refers to a mass of absorbing material placed around a reactor, or other radioactive source, to reduce the radiation to a level safe for humans.[1] The effectiveness of a material as a biological shield is related to its cross-section for scattering and absorption, and to a first approximation is proportional to the total mass of material per unit area interposed along the line of sight between the radiation source and the region to be protected. Hence, shielding strength or "thickness" is conventionally measured in units of g/cm2. The radiation that manages to get through falls exponentially with the thickness of the shield. In x-ray facilities, the plaster on the rooms with the x-ray generator contains barium sulfate and the operators stay behind a leaded glass screen and wear lead aprons. Almost any material can act as a shield from gamma or x-rays if used in sufficient amounts.

Including materials such as water and wood--which are listed under the section "Shielding Design."

[Giftless]

http://www.ki4u.com/illwind.htm

If anyone's curious, this page has some text from "Radioactive Fallout on the Farm," one of the pamphlets shown in the video. Either scroll down until you see it or do a command [Find: PROTECTING LIVESTOCK] on the page.

[Fat Man]

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqXu-5jw60" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqXu-5jw60</a>

This is videos that all our parents watched when they were kids growing up in the 50's, 60's they used to make jokes about this video. "When there is a nuclear attack you put your legs behind your head and kiss your ass good bye" 

Also the inspiration for this fallout1/2 fan site.
http://www.duckandcover.cx/

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Krv4YEMwCE" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Krv4YEMwCE</a>

[Roachor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_protection

Including materials such as water and wood--which are listed under the section "Shielding Design."

Notice how it says its determined by g/cm, hay is pretty much the lightest material possible and would be useless for shielding. Sure anything can be used, if you had a mile of hay it might help but I doubt a few bales will do anything. Remember this is the same people that sad hiding under a desk can protect from nukes.

[Ganado]

The point of that is to keep order and nothing else. referring to the duck and cover video.

[Giftless]

Notice how it says its determined by g/cm, hay is pretty much the lightest material possible and would be useless for shielding. Sure anything can be used, if you had a mile of hay it might help but I doubt a few bales will do anything. Remember this is the same people that sad hiding under a desk can protect from nukes.

No, the point is not everyone is at ground zero; and once you reach a certain distance from the blast, even minor protection can help. Maybe in the case of a nuclear attack you'd prefer to stand in the open air, lamenting how nothing can be done. As for me, I'd rather take a desk over nothing and have some protection against flying glass and collapsed ceilings.

By the way, according to this site the density of hay is 160 kg per meter cubed.

http://www.fao.org/docrep/007/j4504E/j4504e08.htm

Which is only about 1/6 of that of water at 1000 kg per meter cubed. Now I can easily plug this information back into the wiki-chart (noting the fairly consistent inverse relationship of "halving thickness" and "density" in similar materials) and get a halving thickness figure of 3.75 feet, or less considering that the wood of the barn is being used as well as the hay.

[Roachor]

Ok well next time a nuke goes off go stand in an outhouse and let me know how well you are protected.

[Fat Man]

Ok well next time a nuke goes off go stand in an outhouse and let me know how well you are protected.

Or how about we should be thinking about how to prevent a nuclear attack than worrying about what to do if one happends?

The only way to survive a nuclear attack is for one to not happen at all is the reality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis

[Roachor]

Humanity could use a good culling, nuclear war is inevitable. It's like giving a chimp a loaded gun.