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[Handyman]

Well... it would acctualy make people come to NCR armored, no more bluesuits swarm !


Idea need some fixes but it's nice....


Handyman Approves

[Chrupek]

This server is rotten, almost dead... its hard to understand why to nerf everything.

Mother of god.... why?! Imagine antitroll - standing in PA in NCR. U will lose your items anyway, bunch of trolls will burst you.
Nerfing stealing means: no more valuable thief alts >> every thief alt would go to ncr, because its useless anymore in farming. Is that what you want?

Suggestion makes sense in terms of logic, but there is 27894569487435 things which had to be changed. Can you run all the time? Nerf! youre tired! CD or something. Can you haul items while leg crippled? Nerf! and so on... list never ends...

[JovankaB]

every thief alt would go to ncr, because its useless anymore in farming. Is that what you want?

People who steal ammo are not necessarily interested in playing thieves anyway.

And yes, I want thieves in towns not on desert pickpocketing BoS patrols.
I would prefer if there were some thief PvE features for them in towns though not just a grief/troll.

[DocAN.]

Do we need -95% on PA/APA if they arent avaible for players.
Hevnt seen any player in PA doing some shoping.

[Chrupek]

I would prefer if there were some thief PvE features for them in towns though not just a grief/troll.

So maybe first, introduce those features instead of nerfing nearly last fun feature in 2238.

[JovankaB]

So maybe first, introduce those features instead of nerfing nearly last fun feature in 2238.

LOL. Stealing ammo fun? You gotta be kidding.
Anyway, then write such suggestion if you want. I just make my own suggestions like anyone else

[Sarakin]

Good idea, I assume this malus is percentage from the skill, not substraction.

[Perteks]

OH if its malus to skill then my bad i think it was to succes chance ;p

[Roachor]

LOL. Stealing ammo fun? You gotta be kidding.
Anyway, then write such suggestion if you want. I just make my own suggestions like anyone else

I have to agree with him, the game has no content nerfing the only effective way to get enough ammo for pvp is a terrible idea. Making guns and ammo hard to get makes the game a boring grind and people won't want to risk losing what little they have. Crafting is pretty much useless because of advanced workbenches/ being tedious as hell. I don't have a thief alt myself and because of this my bg build never has ammo. Only real bg weapon i can craft is m60 but i can't make the ammo without advanced bench so its not worth my time.

[Wichura]

LOL. Stealing ammo fun? You gotta be kidding.

+1, it's just gathering, but from NPCs, not rocks. And why anyone would bother crafting MFCs, since it's real pain in the arse to run between ape hordes in BH?

[Eternauta]

I personally think the whole Steal skill should be deleted. PvE stealing is a metagaming tool to get ph4t l3wt, and PvP stealing mostly is a trolling tool.

[Who Killed Bambi]

totally agree with jovankas suggestion

thiefs uberpowered and pointless for other players which not steal.
economy, trade, newbies, and other points have no bonus from thieves.

with some people point instead of yelling there they can make own suggestion:

add steal able ca/apa from bos
add steal able guns and caps

gather bottle caps and ammo from trees

and other.

[Nice_Boat]

This is stupid, unrealistic and unnecessary - if you want to nerf stealing, there are way more elegant ways of doing it. And with the way armor and combat gear works in real life, it should actually be + modifier instead of - because aside from a few pistol and knife holsters all this stuff is designed for easy access in combat and not to prevent stealing, not to mention the fact that the heavier armor you wear the less feel of your surroundings you have.

[Who Killed Bambi]

in fo, fo2, fo tactics, fonline is no realism at all. lets start from this
there is no such easy way to get stuff like rob bos or enclave or masters army remnants.
lol, in what universe/game u can rob same faction in same square 720 hours per year to get stuff ?


1. where in real world you can kill at least one rat/man/molerat ?
2. where you can kill 5+k creatures ?
3. where you can rob all town ?
4. where you can trade stuff for stuff ?
5. where you can stay in part of america never used any food or water ?
...
8016. where you can ...

[Chrupek]

LOL. Stealing ammo fun? You gotta be kidding.
Anyway, then write such suggestion if you want. I just make my own suggestions like anyone else

Well... for you nothing is fun, cause u can spawn yourself everywhere with uberstealth so... whatever...
Just nerf everything and it gonna be fine:))