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Yes

27 (25.7%)

Yes, but I would change some things

33 (31.4%)

I don't care

1 (1%)

No, but under some circumstances ...

10 (9.5%)

No, idea of getting PA's into fonline is completely wrong

34 (32.4%)

Total Members Voted: 105

[Sarakin]

I dont understand, why are you making PA so poweful. Just compare it to Brotherhood armor - Normal DR is the same, DT is higher just by 4. Ok ,DT of laser and explosive is high, but plasma DR is even smaller than BA has. Sniper and laser rifles can bypass your armor anyway, or even instant-kill / KO you and BG bursts are roughly the same. Only players using rocket launchers might complain.

To sum up, I dont see any problems having PAs in game as long as they are limited somehow

[Kharaam]

don't forget about +3 STR bounus! it is a lot!

[Yanglegend]

I think that PA shoul have simple req to wear: BoS faction member.
Also when someone not from BoS holding the PA, he should have about 5% chance to meet encounter - mad BoS patrol (anywhere on map).
We can't talk about PvP balance, cause this will be more like RP part of the game and player faction will not be able to use PA.

[Solar]

I dont understand, why are you making PA so poweful. Just compare it to Brotherhood armor - Normal DR is the same, DT is higher just by 4. Ok ,DT of laser and explosive is high, but plasma DR is even smaller than BA has. Sniper and laser rifles can bypass your armor anyway, or even instant-kill / KO you and BG bursts are roughly the same. Only players using rocket launchers might complain.

To sum up, I dont see any problems having PAs in game as long as they are limited somehow

Indeed, the power of them isn't really the problem. It's just a complete atmosphere break to have every man and his dog running round in PA.

Dunno if I've said this in this thread before but eventually BoS members will have access to a limited number of them. But don't hold your breath

[FischiPiSti]

I dont understand, why are you making PA so poweful. Just compare it to Brotherhood armor - Normal DR is the same, DT is higher just by 4. Ok ,DT of laser and explosive is high, but plasma DR is even smaller than BA has. Sniper and laser rifles can bypass your armor anyway, or even instant-kill / KO you and BG bursts are roughly the same. Only players using rocket launchers might complain.

To sum up, I dont see any problems having PAs in game as long as they are limited somehow

Hmm it doesnt seem too much yeah, its just memories of me clearing out the masters bunker in FO1 with hardened PA and very little effort. The only thing i had to worry about was crits that bypassed armor and knocked me down, other then that, it was way too easy.
Err, we do get hardened PA right? Because if we are talking about BA vs PA, and not the default CA vs PA, then we need to talk about BA vs hardened PA.
And APA MKII, now that IS OP.

Dunno it must be just me, but to me, PA+melee just seems such a perfect match like with all that extra STR it gives - all that extra melee damage, yeah it is like every other mmorpg out there, but most of them do follow this general rule(big dude.heavy armor.huge maces. lesser damage tho. small mages do more damage with spells.) because it works. So why change something that works.. :/

[Sarakin]

don't forget about +3 STR bounus! it is a lot!

Yeah,good only for compensating its huge weight

[RavenousRat]

Yeah,good only for compensating its huge weight

No, it's PvP-builds with 1-2 STR, without weapon handling.

[Sarakin]

No, it's PvP-builds with 1-2 STR, without weapon handling.

So you suggest making build with PA involved... interesting

[RavenousRat]

So you suggest making build with PA involved... interesting

Nope, atleast not for me, I don't like focused build on only one task: craft, scout, player-killing. Because I can't get fun when my char can do only one task, I still be play for fighter/crafter/scout, no matter that they will do.
I just wanted to say, that there're alot players, who don't want to waste points in CH, making snipers with 2-3 STR + weapon handling on 15th lvl, because lifegiver on 12th, is it normal for standart playing? Of couse no, this build oriented for 21st level at begin, and his the only task is: kill players, nothing more. So, of couse, they will start to make character builds suitable for PA, may be even with 1 STR (I don't know will they be able to pick up PA..) + Weapon Handling at the same time for BigGunners! But, who knows.

[Neuromancer]

Rat this isn't topic about builds or powerbuilds. And suggestion says that that easiest way of obtaining PA would be by joining faction and then doing quest and raising rank ( which won't be easy anyway )
The idea was:
If PK loots PA it would be almost impossible for him to mantain it, and forcing players to fight for it and recover it ( BOS faction ) so it would be similar to Town Control but for no faction/gang players.

Very important issue is to avoid hiding PA's in tents/bases etc.

[RavenousRat]

Rat this isn't topic about builds or powerbuilds. And suggestion says that that easiest way of obtaining PA would be by joining faction and then doing quest and raising rank ( which won't be easy anyway )
The idea was:
If PK loots PA it would be almost impossible for him to mantain it, and forcing players to fight for it and recover it ( BOS faction ) so it would be similar to Town Control but for no faction/gang players.

Very important issue is to avoid hiding PA's in tents/bases etc.

I'm not talking about any builds with PA, I just want to say, that PA is one of the ways of solvation powerbuilds. So PA-user is crafter/fighter, not pure fighter.

[Roachor]

people will just pk crafters to disassemble the PA then, they could have 99% dr and they'd still get owned.

[Wilk]

I think this is good idea, but PA should be obtainable by chain of quests from BoS, Simlar like repairing quest in FO 1, Like going to the glow for Fussion Battery and
 Systolic Motivator  from other dangerous location. And the with use of instructions you need to repair PA.

[Sius]

Well imho PA can't be introduced until other factions have something to balance this. Even if the PA would be accessible only through really hard chain-quests and some rare materials would be also required its still and "epic" item from BoS faction. What does other factions offer? Profession trainers and thats all. This will result in BoS being overcrowded by gangs that will do anything to get their hands on such equipment and loners trying things just for the lulz. No faction should be joined because of professions nor items but you should decide who to join because of your ideology. If you are same asshole as BoS idiots then you will like being one of them, if you are one of the pure people then you will chose Enclave, if you are wastelands sheriff you go down to NCR an so on... But joining factions just to instantly profit from membership is bullshit.

If there should be something like membership benefits (easier access to profession trainers, chain-quests for stuff and such) then it should be time/honor/reputation based. If you join military faction as BoS then you are no one, you are some meatstick from wasteland that is there just to catch bullets instead of senior members and you should be threated that way. If you will work long and hard enough some senior member might notice you and offer you some extra quests and missions. When you done them too then you might start your career there still like a outsider but no longer unknown "soon gonna be dead" bastard. And after some freakin long time when you are like approved member of BoS then you should be able to get your first real bonuses. And PA should certainly not come like first one of them...

[Wilk]

Well imho PA can't be introduced until other factions have something to balance this. Even if the PA would be accessible only through really hard chain-quests and some rare materials would be also required its still and "epic" item from BoS faction. What does other factions offer? Profession trainers and thats all. This will result in BoS being overcrowded by gangs that will do anything to get their hands on such equipment and loners trying things just for the lulz. No faction should be joined because of professions nor items but you should decide who to join because of your ideology. If you are same asshole as BoS idiots then you will like being one of them, if you are one of the pure people then you will chose Enclave, if you are wastelands sheriff you go down to NCR an so on... But joining factions just to instantly profit from membership is bullshit.

If there should be something like membership benefits (easier access to profession trainers, chain-quests for stuff and such) then it should be time/honor/reputation based. If you join military faction as BoS then you are no one, you are some meatstick from wasteland that is there just to catch bullets instead of senior members and you should be threated that way. If you will work long and hard enough some senior member might notice you and offer you some extra quests and missions. When you done them too then you might start your career there still like a outsider but no longer unknown "soon gonna be dead" bastard. And after some freakin long time when you are like approved member of BoS then you should be able to get your first real bonuses. And PA should certainly not come like first one of them...

I agree on 100%

How about Power Armor Training Quest perk? If PK loots PA it will be impossible for him to use PA without proper training. What do you think?