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[cortez72]

A few minutes ago, some jerk named Sobolan killed me when I was picking up some junk in Boneyard. He killed me and then walk avay taking nothing. I just started my game with my new caracter and I only have few worthless things with me. This is maybe my 14-15 try of this game and after numerous loses of my life I'll quit forever. I was thinking this should be a god game, because I love Fallout games. But there are freaks thinking killing newbies is fun. Actually, they are scared that new players will be too much challenging for them if gain few levels.  They don't giving us newones a chance to play normal game. It should be some  free time for new players not to be killed or not be able to kill others till level 2-3. This way game sucks.

[LagMaster]

Wasteland is harsh...wait, SOBOLAN* WAS HIS NAME?

o yeah, my newbi, you had been killed by a romanian S8 player that do not know anything than troll the encounters in Hub area, my advice just change location, don't warry, you will die a lot of times

if you whant to, i made myself nest in VC-Klamath area. if you love to join me on my solitary quest of leveling for fun and playing i will gladly share skype/x-fire/FB ID with you, just PM me

don't warry, everyone has been killed for no reason at least 14 times ech, right BIG BAD PKS?

^{*sobolan=rat in romanian}

[Desert Mutt]

Welcome to FOnline2238.

[Prometheus Pithras]

what can i say? that has happened to 99% of the players in the game, unless you stay in a guarded lvling as a doctor, or chatting, you cant prevent the game from being like that, also, if players wouldnt have killed you, some nasty npcs will, dying is part of the game, sometimes in the wasteland you wont be able to escape death, whatever you try.if you really want to avoid dying theres some ways, like getting access to all train stations after doing the quest for the doc in vault city, i know that some players do it, then you need the caps to travel

btw lagmaster, ive been in section 8 for nearly 2 years, and no one has that character name, so dont invent stuff

[Chrupek]

A few minutes ago, some jerk named Sobolan killed me when I was picking up some junk in Boneyard. He killed me and then walk avay taking nothing. I just started my game with my new caracter and I only have few worthless things with me. This is maybe my 14-15 try of this game and after numerous loses of my life I'll quit forever. I was thinking this should be a god game, because I love Fallout games. But there are freaks thinking killing newbies is fun. Actually, they are scared that new players will be too much challenging for them if gain few levels.  They don't giving us newones a chance to play normal game. It should be some  free time for new players not to be killed or not be able to kill others till level 2-3. This way game sucks.

youre not clever enough to avoid deaths. Harsh, but true. After lvling n chars, u will develop your own technique to survive.
Oooo... u dont, cause u quit :]

[Tomowolf]

A few minutes ago, some jerk named Sobolan killed me when I was picking up some junk in Boneyard. He killed me and then walk avay taking nothing. I just started my game with my new caracter and I only have few worthless things with me. This is maybe my 14-15 try of this game and after numerous loses of my life I'll quit forever. I was thinking this should be a god game, because I love Fallout games. But there are freaks thinking killing newbies is fun. Actually, they are scared that new players will be too much challenging for them if gain few levels.  They don't giving us newones a chance to play normal game. It should be some  free time for new players not to be killed or not be able to kill others till level 2-3. This way game sucks.

Wait what?
This game don't suck, its a wasteland not themepark, If you didn't watch Mad Max or any post-apo movie, and think that this game will be player friendly youre wrong, I dont really care if you exit or not, but people like you arent need there, we got enough of whiners now, and guys which were killed should learn to run or to grap a gun and kill enemy.
Your problem, wasteland is harsh not tamagochi.

[Surf]

Wait what?
This game don't suck, its a wasteland not themepark, If you didn't watch Mad Max or any post-apo movie, and think that this game will be player friendly youre wrong, I dont really care if you exit or not, but people like you arent need there, we got enough of whiners now, and guys which were killed should learn to run or to grap a gun and kill enemy.
Your problem, wasteland is harsh not tamagochi.

This nonsense gets thrown around pretty often around here.
People ganging up in a encounters where you die  the instant your map loads has nothing to do with being "harsh" - it's a crappy game mechanism with no chance to fight back. A player getting shot by a much higher level guy in the middle of the desert while he collects wood etc. has nothing to do with being harsh - it's one click for the high level guy, a "lulz" for him while the victim could not defend himself in anyway.There is a difference between "being stupid" for a low level player who just started the game and runs into potentially dangerous areas over and over without learning, and a player who is just unlucky and  gets thrown into situations where he can't defend at all. Cool and fair for a game, huh? So cut this "harsh" bullshit, it makes you look pretty retarded.

[Tomowolf]

This nonsense gets thrown around pretty often around here.
People ganging up in a encounters where you die  the instant your map loads has nothing to do with being "harsh" - it's a crappy game mechanism with no chance to fight back. A player getting shot by a much higher level guy in the middle of the desert while he collects wood etc. has nothing to do with being harsh - it's one click for the high level guy, a "lulz" for him while the victim could not defend himself in anyway.There is a difference between "being stupid" for a low level player who just started the game and runs into potentially dangerous areas over and over without learning, and a player who is just unlucky and  gets thrown into situations where he can't defend at all. Cool and fair for a game, huh? So cut this "harsh" bullshit, it makes you look pretty retarded.

Where some PK could know that he is newbie?
First create system which will help newbies, then critic my post, player getting shot by some other guy in middle of desert could be random... 14 times... and it is called randomism in this game, one time you get nice items, second you got killed much times.
If there would be some tutorial system telling that player can be killed anywhere and by anyone then I could agree with your post.
We all started from cratch, been killed many times, and I don't throw stereotype of "Wasteland is harsh, bro" but just telling that its hard game still not balance because in beta. Also for example if there is player that plays long, and got pack of mercs whom help him making traps for newbies - is it fair? Does it need nerf or what? No, because he earned that stuff, maybe by killing other newbies while he was noob too, and he became stronger, every player need to learn to run or shoot as said. Don't even try to tell me that its "stupid", ask Sir Hubertus how much woodsman newbies he killed, and tell him its stupid, for him its fun, for newbie its ragequit.

So please get off my post.

And one more thing http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=18977.0 why not impleneted not so yet? It could save lot of newbies...

[pistacja]

Fonline is like BDSM. You like it or you can't take it.
Sometimes you're the sub, sometimes you're the dom, and 'quit' is the safe-word no shame in using it.     

[Surf]

If you get instakilled in a random encounter (other player moved in) this has nothing to do with a "hard game". For the game to be "hard", there first must be a chance that you actually can fight back.
It's the same if I would login to my GM account, roam the desert randomly and shoot players in random encounters 4 the lolz. Sounds pretty fair huh? Or will you complain that you got killed without a chance to defend then? Following your logic, this should be completely ok because the Wasteland is harsh and there are always people stronger than you!11 Right?

Also for example if there is player that plays long, and got pack of mercs whom help him making traps for newbies - is it fair?

Seeing how those Mercs still have superhuman reflexes and can shoot things on sight this is far from being "fair". Again, dieing because of bad odds with no chance of defending has no reason to stay in a game, no matter if it's about "the wasteland" or not - there is no difficulty involved. If someone "earned" these mercs by whichever means it does not grant him the right to exploit the game and kill people in situations where they (given gameplay mechanics, loading times etc) can not defend themselves.

[Tomowolf]

If you get instakilled in a random encounter (other player moved in) this has nothing to do with a "hard game". For the game to be "hard", there first must be a chance that you actually can fight back.
It's the same if I would login to my GM account, roam the desert randomly and shoot players in random encounters 4 the lolz. Sounds pretty fair huh? Or will you complain that you got killed without a chance to defend then? Following your logic, this should be completely ok because the Wasteland is harsh and there are always people stronger than you!11 Right?

Seeing how those Mercs still have superhuman reflexes and can shoot things on sight this is far from being "fair". Again, dieing because of bad odds with no chance of defending has no reason to stay in a game, no matter if it's about "the wasteland" or not - there is no difficulty involved. If someone "earned" these mercs by whichever means it does not grant him the right to exploit the game and kill people in situations where they (given gameplay mechanics, loading times etc) can not defend themselves.

So balance game and make 1st level guy kill 24 lvl guy, make them happier, your post didnt bring anything to disscussion but only make me flame things :S.
It is harsh for its atmosphere, it is hard because one guy got minigun and can insta kill, yes and what can be done against it? ban or what? You need to deal with it and go get minigun and payback or just die again whining more that game mechanism is hard, tell that to Devs to change some level req's to get killed by other player...
It isnt fair, but what you'll do with it?
Look at people in Africa that are poor - they can be enslaved by local gang , and forced to work for them, also others are killed , is it fair? No it isnt and we cant do shit against it, if whole community dont help, as it wont help because at least 50% of players dont care.
Personally getting instakilled isnt fair but what? Many times I was killed by some BoS vs Gecko while got crafted 100 cw and should I ragequit because of "stoopid game mechanics" or first report that bug?
There was also other topic there whining on that player could enter other's player encoutner and kill him - is it fair? Is it intend or fail game mechanic? No its just normal thing in the world, and roaming around the cities may e deadly, because some guys will always scout for newbies and kill them.

If you find way to balance 1st level vs 24th lvl tell me please.
Talking about chance to defend is like getting a crafter character versus some pvp ape charcter, Imagine which one got more chance to survive and kill each other? Iam just saying this all the time that you can't do against that for now, but need to get more tougher, and dont go in same place if you did die there.
Talking about instakills because someone wait in encounter for newbie is just same, you can't do shit, you'll make rule that one cannot camp for newbie or ban for it or what?

[Surf]

It may surprise you, but real life isn't a videogame. Videogames are supposed to be fun . Dieing with no chance to defend yourself is not fun because there is no "game" involved for neither of the combatants (the receiving end is disapointed and the "killer" has a "lulz"). Thus, it is a crappy gameplay element that needs to be tweaked.

[Prometheus Pithras]

Personally getting instakilled isnt fair but what? Many times I was killed by some BoS vs Gecko while got crafted 100 cw and should I ragequit because of "stoopid game mechanics" or first report that bug?

i always found absurd the fact that guards/npcs can kill you with theyr bursts and you cant defend yourself, but if you do accidentally shoot any, everyone will shoot/attack you hahaha, aswell as the unarmed npcs not running away from a minigun/armed guy, like in reno, you hit someone, whole damn npcs come to make you moonwalk and break your armor with "no damage" haha its bullshit

[Tomowolf]

It may surprise you, but real life isn't a videogame. Videogames are supposed to be fun . Dieing with no chance to defend yourself is not fun because there is no "game" involved for neither of the combatants (the receiving end is disapointed and the "killer" has a "lulz"). Thus, it is a crappy gameplay element that needs to be tweaked.

Still you didn't give proper answer.
How you will balance thing that Guy newbie with low level and low tier gun, armor can defend against? He cannot and what? Should he have some magical shield helping him or what?
Players from beginning should learn how to play proper game and how to get fun from it
Its a MMORPG so all fun comes from PvE, PvP and questmaking.
PvE is cool but need proper level to do it, same with PvP but it need skills and there arent so much quests to make, so what could bring fun there? Of course Iam not saying that people should be happy bcuz their tamagochi FOnline character got isntakilled, but they should think what the hell happend and what to do next time to not die.
Sometimes you gain fun by playing game, sometimes not.
I can give you example with League of Legends:
You play a match which stays for like 60 minutes, and you just are about almost to win, but one of your team mates goes offline and you lose match due to that thing, then your rewards by playing match are 60% smaller, was the time worth it seriously?
Also there are more examples in game, which don't bring fun but make you more annoyed or bored like gathering stuff(for now) crafting etc. and still there are things which bring fun.
Please give normal answer next time, and don't play with me some word game but serious answer.

[Floodnik]

Surf, for one man to have fun, other has to suffer.
Many people have so much fun when they kill other players and know that they are angry/sad... Pretty much sadists.
That's why they play this game.
Believe me, if you wouldn't let sadistic people fill their fetishes, server population would fall down