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[JovankaB]

There needed to be something to test for bypasses

Maybe armor deterioration?

[Solar]

Something without totally re-writing how the critical table is made

Luck is fine and won't change.

[bobek289]

this wipe, become the game in the boring game

so sad

yeah   

[T-888]

It makes no sense for anything else either. You don't use Pe to prevernt bypasses, you don't Endure past bypasses, etc.

Uncalled relies on luck more than anything else, which means it is generally only a problem with SD bursting (which was not a factor when I was designing the perks or the new table, because SD working with bursts is/was a bug).

Yes , i understand.

I know it was a bug , i was the first one to make a smg silent death sneaker and reported it , i suggested for it to stay as to test how powerful it really is , at the moment it was hard to understand the magnitude of it's potential due to bugged ammo types as well of incomplete build types and lack of knowledge , i didn't know that the only defence against bypasses is luck.

It is the counter point to getting lucky for a critical hit, you get lucky (or infact unlucky) that bullets found a weak spot. There needed to be something to test for bypasses, else it's very restricted.

The problem now there's hardly any counter against SD , hardly motion sensor and stick with the group if you have anyone besides you , yet some 10mm smg still has more range than sensor reveals sneakers and let's not talk about p90 in that case.

It's illogical for silent death to stay at this state , make some decisions and change it please , i think you will make some friends in this case

[Solar]

I'm pondering if GG needs to be toned down or if bursts working with SD needs fixing. Yet to be convinced 10mm SMGs and p90s are a problem.

[T-888]

Damage has been done , i mean people have already made builds specially for this perk , if fixed you will just delete a good feature of a perk that can be changed and adapted made viable that way. I think it's too obvious that everyone expects a readjustment not fix and if i give it a better thought i can't find a reason why not ?

[Enzotainment]

Can't bursts just stay how they are? Evil.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to make Silent Death single shot only. Would make the game a lot more exciting.

Question though: Does Silent Death also work with plasma pistols and grenades?

[Mithguar]

How about only 1st bullet o counts towards SD? Becouse you can aim first shot but rest just can't be aimed for weak spot. Rest of bullets is just "spray and pray"... So first bullet will be auto crit but others are normal with chance to crit. Not sure how it works now but you just can't get lucky with all bullets. It just never happen. Well maybe rarly... But definitly not every time you sneakyburst

[Sarakin]

There's no 100% armor bypassing even using Silent Death. Stop telling lies.
Maybe I should make some screens with my SD bursts and compare them to some BG bursts(non crits) and put them there.

I wasnt mentioning rate of bypasses but effect. Maybe YOU should hone reading skills.

[Solar]

It doesn't bypass 100 percent of the armour either

[Sarakin]

DR/5 is final bypass right ? The idea is to soften the bypass effect, no the rate.

[Killy]

magic comes back, the only problem is that all they need is a smg, if they get killed they lose nothing, make sneakers use something expensive if they want to turn sneak on. The other problem is picking up stuff, dunno how it works but should have turned sneak mode off.
also if it was up to me, I would make scanner reveal sneakers for user, this way he might shoot and cancel sneak mode

[pistacja]

2x Damage == No bypass issue.

It's a clean and elegant solution with no strings attached.

[Solar]

Don't dump luck = no bypass issue. That's not what I'm worried about really.

[avv]

Remove the ability to onehex with silent death. That's what's doing crazy damage.

Nerfing greasegun won't help because 10mm smg is right next to it. In addition grease doesn't particularly shine outside silent death bursting.