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Carryweight
Swag:
--- Quote from: avv on December 03, 2011, 06:32:46 PM ---Proxies don't relog. They wait on worldmap in another window.
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Well that's just against the rules... never used/wanted to use proxies to dual log, that's why I thought at first you meant relogging to a mule character... it's pretty sad that people actually resort to this honestly, it's a pretty lame form of breaking or at least bending the rules.
I think the cw thing is balanced as it is... I mean you might as well give more skill points and hp too and let 1CH characters have followers. I think as far as SPECIAL goes it's pretty well-balanced the way it has been
Jackall:
Idea is cool, happens just too many times this situation:
You win a fight and get attacked while looting.
For some reasons enemy can keep everyone in gear while some "unknown bluesuits" spawn and take the loot.
The fact that a thing is "against da rulez" won't stop cheaters. So, every actions that can discourage proxy usage and alting should be really taken into account.
Jotisz:
--- Quote from: avv on December 03, 2011, 06:32:46 PM ---If you don't care what the gameplay is like, why are you telling what it should be?
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I care for gameplay, I don't care about dual loggers and proxy users since I can't do anything about it why should I brother then. Instead of having fun should I go crying that people dual log ban them? Personally I think it wouldn't work those who cheat they wouldn't stop.
avv:
--- Quote from: Swag on December 03, 2011, 06:52:43 PM ---I think the cw thing is balanced as it is... I mean you might as well give more skill points and hp too and let 1CH characters have followers. I think as far as SPECIAL goes it's pretty well-balanced the way it has been.
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You can't call anything that can be bypassed somehow balanced. A sniper - tank tradeoff is balanced because you can't be both at the same time. Hauler - fighter isn't balanced because you don't use the abilities in same situations thus allowing the use of alts.
Balance is based on tradeoffs, choices and consequences. You can remove the tradeoffs of low cw with alts so where's the balance?
Why cw is differend from charisma is that charisma isn't necessary for everyone. Carryweight is pretty damn necessary for everyone so that's why I'm saying it should be generally increased.
--- Quote from: Jotisz on December 03, 2011, 07:37:30 PM ---I care for gameplay, I don't care about dual loggers and proxy users since I can't do anything about it why should I brother then. Instead of having fun should I go crying that people dual log ban them? Personally I think it wouldn't work those who cheat they wouldn't stop.
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But proxy has pretty high impact on gameplay because it rewards cheating. That's why it'd be best for the game to fabricate features that either don't support it or make using it pointless. If players could carry more, looter proxy wouldn't be that useful and cheaters wouldn't benefit anymore on this area.
Swag:
--- Quote from: avv on December 03, 2011, 07:59:01 PM ---You can't call anything that can be bypassed somehow balanced. A sniper - tank tradeoff is balanced because you can't be both at the same time. Hauler - fighter isn't balanced because you don't use the abilities in same situations thus allowing the use of alts.
Balance is based on tradeoffs, choices and consequences. You can remove the tradeoffs of low cw with alts so where's the balance?
Why cw is differend from charisma is that charisma isn't necessary for everyone. Carryweight is pretty damn necessary for everyone so that's why I'm saying it should be generally increased.
But proxy has pretty high impact on gameplay because it rewards cheating. That's why it'd be best for the game to fabricate features that either don't support it or make using it pointless. If players could carry more, looter proxy wouldn't be that useful and cheaters wouldn't benefit anymore on this area.
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I agree with this assessment completely avv. There's no reason to reward cheaters. I'm not a huge fan of needing to have alts either for that matter... but my only concern is that if we increase carry weight for everyone to a decent level then there is no point to a Strength stat at all. Or very little point as Weapon Handling is available to circumvent ST requirements of weapons and with increased carry weight that would be all that matters. I agree with your thoughts on the matter, I just don't think it can really be executed well and keep the game somewhat balanced. I think this would unbalance builds somewhat since you could just take weapon handling on every build and pump the extra SPECIAL points into Endurance or whatever. I agree about the proxies; I'm looking at things from a build standpoint.
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