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Carryweight
Crazy:
--- Quote from: Swag on December 03, 2011, 10:00:18 PM ---I think this would unbalance builds somewhat since you could just take weapon handling on every build and pump the extra SPECIAL points into Endurance or whatever.
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Huh, that's already what's happening... And you kinda forget it still use a perk slot...
Izual:
Unless I misread first post, this is absolutely not about a closed beta report. Proper place seems to be in suggestions subforum; let's keep the CBT one a bit clean to keep it useful.
T-888:
--- Quote from: avv on December 03, 2011, 06:32:46 PM ---However carrying stuff is something every char should be able to do since the gameplay is pretty much centered abound stuff. If you take a look at any game where carryweight exists, even the least carry-able chars can always carry enough to make basic gameplay possible.
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I can't argue about this.
--- Quote from: DocAN. on November 13, 2011, 07:33:07 PM ---Maybe move Pack Rat and Strong Back to Support Perks? !
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I don't see a reason how this wouldn't work but i could add something for it to be a more efficient solution. The problem is if the requirements are wrong as they are now it won't provide utility for most of the characters to fully or at least partially take action in the most basic activities like gathering resources. It doesn't make sense to me that the strong back perks have high requirements for STR , usable only by characters that already have enough carry weight for pretty much all the basic things to do and if they take it they become " universal mules " as we know - looters.
Move Strong back to support perks attainable by characters that have specials lets say only if less or , and equal than 4 STR , that should do the trick fine.
RavenousRat:
Offtop:
--- Quote from: avv on December 03, 2011, 07:59:01 PM ---A sniper - tank tradeoff is balanced because you can't be both at the same time.
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A cocktail of drugs from nuka, cigs, psycho and buffout.
Of course you can do only 1 shot per once, and you need to regenerate all APs to do it again. And you'll have only 75% to hit chance in the eyes on 50th hex to 10 AG + BA guy what isn't good. But he is a sniper and tank! Under psycho +x1 toughness and BA, he'll have 10 DT and 60% DR. His high FoV for tank allows him to umm.. tank other tanks faster by imba knock outs and downs and bypasses from 50 hexes so they won't even see him!
You can make 8 LK and 2 ST, then you will have exact 95% to hit in the eyes on 50th hex.
Btw he has carry weight!!1
About carry weight: you already said in 1st post that ST is useless except for carry weight, so.. you want to make it useless at all? Let's remove that stat with CH, make PEIAL, because everyone picks 1 CH anyway except for merc leaders, so let everyone have fixed number of mercs and able to taxi each other, also fixed carry weight for everyone and no ST check penalty and remove ST requirements for weapon at all. I think EN gives too much already by giving you HP, it would be good if ST affected rolls against at least weapon drops and cripples. 1 ST would automatically fail all rolls, so each time someone crits you in hand or leg you'll drop your weapon and cripple limb and 10 ST should give you almost immunity to these. Then weapon handling perk won't be so overpowered. As for small frame, it was said long time ago that it's just +1 SPECIAL, probably they want to leave it as it is, small frame can work something like Jet partly, giving you +1 AP but decreasing DR or work like better criticals but opposite, giving to your enemy +to crit roll against you, then small frame will be avoided by everyone but snipers.
Also when you say there's no trade off, because you can relog/use proxy of your 10 ST pack rat alt, it's already a trade off! You need to use proxy or relog!
--- Quote from: avv on November 12, 2011, 06:28:57 PM ---However when you need to do anything else but fight, carryweight becomes very important.
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Raise your ST or don't take imba Small frame trait.
Yes, it's stupid, it's like:
"I can't sell my guns because barter timer goes so fast! Or I want to buy some guns, but damned Sha Enin has 23942348723 radios and I can't scroll to it and don't know about filter and timer runs out faster!"
"Raise your barter skill."
Will someone raise his barter skill? Of course not! They aren't idiots, they better suffer from it and try again and again and adapt to it. The same with repair skill, science skill, outdoorsman skill, CH requirements, crafting. It works in single player, but it doesn't work in multiplayer, but we still have it and we have a lot alts and we'll have. Dual loggers, triple loggers, quadro loggers, talking to your own alts in front of GMs, FOnline forces you to do that, if you want to remove that, then removing carry weight (or making it good even with 1 ST, but its the same as removing it) is just one of these things and it won't remove amount of alts, you also need to suggest to remove crafting requirements, change outdoorsman skill, change repair and dismantling, change barter, change quests, etc.
Swag:
RavenousRat, I could quote the whole thing but I won't... thank you though...
Izual you're right this has pretty much nothing to do with CBT and I apologize for posting here. I had to post because this idea is kind of outlandish to me... my question to avv is basically "Ok you can mine with a PvP character... what next?"
I'll answer... "Well I'll relog to my crafter and make what I need..."
So I ask, why not just do that with the crafter?
I agree with you avv that proxies and alts kind of ruin the game... Izual, you are totally correct... this is not a CBT problem, this is a "general" problem. And I think the majority of the playerbase will agree that it isn't a problem. avv, if people are exploiting and using proxies this is on another level altogether, from what I am hearing it's common practice, which is just wrong... I mean we want this game to work (at least I do), so what benefit is there in cheating?
I mean come on... the staff is giving you a free game, please don't abuse it... if it's done right it is an awesome game for sure.
Mod: Please move this topic out of this forum because it is in no way related to the CBT
And I'm sorry for writing a novel
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