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No, that stuff takes hours to reinstall!

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Sure, I have plenty of time to reinstall everything weekly/daily.

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I might for awhile but, I bet I would get tired of it.

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I don't know.

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Total Members Voted: 23

Voting closed: June 27, 2011, 03:08:12 am

[Trokanis]

Well it's way too late to start a list of people we know who have quit playing.  And I know so few people care, mostly because they don't understand that the loss of more players means the death of a game.  This fact is something that is a constant in every game anywhere.  Two more active players are gone.  I don't think I'm gonna fully quit but I'm pretty sure I won't be back til wipe.

The Cause.  We were out on mid lvl characters.  Headed home after an hour of fun, had a person drop in, one single person with a laser rifle could shoot 4 times in a round, was able to heal "I assume with a super stim" and still move/shoot 3 times.  Now I know this isn't like a hacked build it's just a jacked up drugged out pk build.  The problem is unless you're the same 'type' of build you get owned.  Then to TOP this all, one of managed to get away, moved into an entirely new zone and got pulled into that SAME encounter, and man was he jumped on like a fat man chasing a cupcake, not sure how either cause our bodies were on the other side of the map and he spawned right hand middle and ran as fast as he could.  4 shots dead... So after losing another hours worth of work they're gone.

Many people don't play this game for the PvP aspect.  But EVERYONE of them is punished by it...

One of the captions under the FOnline pic at the top of the forums says "Everything else is dead or dying."  And every day it becomes more true for the game itself...

[aForcefulThrust]

Many people don't play this game for the PvP aspect.

If you don't play for PVP then why do you play? To kill molerats and hunt ghouls? If you don't want to PVP you can always just stay in the hub and roleplay a hub villager.  But... I think 95% of us play for pvp and harsh, open loot world.

[Trokanis]

We play for the other things in this game.  You only see farming mole rats.  We see the quests, 'more are coming' the exploration, the adventure of taking on places like the Glow, and the new LA Tower whenever it hits.  Of roleplaying trying to build in the wastes.  If they added the feature of building your own base hell I'd be doin that, or putting together our own cars from scaving.  Then there's this feature oh god what is it people don't play it much, what was it called, oh yeah TC where players actually expect to be shot at.  Full loot drop while wasting low lvls is WAY beyond boring to my friends and I.  We don't need to get our jollies by making ourselves feel powerful by taking out weaker targets.  We take 3 people and go in to greater deathclaw caves and enjoy the thrill of the fight.

And really I know that some people enjoy that 'WoW style let's take our capped toons and sit around low areas and kill all the lowbies and npcs yay fun.' game play.  But after every wipe, once the ubers are done lvling in a day and tc'n for 2 days they turn to wiping out lowbies.  And every time the population drops and drops, and becomes nothing until next wipe.

The definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.  No matter how much is added, the core dynamic is what kills this game world.


http://www.rookie.name/fonline/playerStats.php?r=year&s=1308423150&ts=0&ar=0&step=12

[Reiniat]

Trokanis i think you are wrong, the game is dying, BECAUSE WIPE IS NOT HAPPENING, this game is harsh, it must be harsh.
We need a new update with funny new thinks, then people will come again, most of the players that left the game still visiting the forum periodically to see if wipe comes.
If there are other guys lefting the game because "it is too harsh and unfair", they dont deserve to be here.

[Surf]

The game was never meant to appeal only to the PvP crowd. At best, it is one part of it, not the whole experience.

[Trokanis]

The game was never meant to appeal only to the PvP crowd. At best, it is one part of it, not the whole experience.

The Wipe is 'part' of it, but the abuse wrought on the players who want to do the many other parts of this game is a large factor.  In the cases of many of my friends and the people we met in our gang and later over the last 2 years, they left for that reason.

I'm not stating this because I think pvp should go away, hell if you read my suggestion that's the last thing I want.  But some form a regulation wouldn't hurt. 

There is a difference between Harsh and one sided abuse.  This game has become you HAVE to be a pk build farm up to lvl 21 get hyped on drugs and pray you don't get jumped by more than 2 people.  Most pk builds can't even talk to quest givers or merchants, that takes away 70% of the rest of the game.  Sure the fallout universe is 'harsh' but there was always a Limit that's why that universe is Fun.

http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=17070.0

There are threads most recent with people who are starting up the game for the first time, that are already frustrated or even gone.  Most replies are stick with it, you'll get used to losing all the time.  Yeah that doesn't sound like a fun idea, playing a game just cause you got used to losing all your stuff all the time?  Seriously? One of those is, 'don't think of the gear as anything other than crap.'  For some people that's all they can hope to hold onto. And if you get higher gear you sure as hell aren't gonna take it out of your tent, cause it's gonna be gone.

[Jotisz]

Well sadly Trokanis is right its not fun if a new lvl1 guy finally gets a 12mn pistol and a jacket then he gets in an enc and he is dead without a chance.
In Fallout there was load and save which helped a lot here we can't have that so only option is running away but its just not possible for an lvl1 guy to run away from a strong enemy.
Also though PvP is a big part of Fonline its something I personally don't like I prefer simply team plays in PvE if it should be about the fighting but I would prefer going around doing quests bad thing that most player don't care about the RPG aspect they play it like an isometric Queke: A player -> I shot.
This make doing quest in TC towns quite hard.
Still even if its like this I still like this game though if I would start today without any prior experience toward Fonline I would probably quit like most of the new guys.

[Perteks]

The game was never meant to appeal only to the PvP crowd. At best, it is one part of it, not the whole experience.

I though its was faction mod then its developed for mostly for pvp. Like in normal fallout fight, run or die you cant talkover raiders ;p

[Surf]

Like in normal fallout fight, run or die you cant talkover raiders ;p

I beg to differ.

[zuhardu]

Play Fallout 2 or learn to make a proper build, those are your choices. You can play the game with a 25-30% crippler and have fun with the pvp and rp. You really can't expect to be better than a guy that tried over 20 builds in pvp by now, is like trying to teach a teacher. In Fonline death is certain no matter what build you own (maybe except apk gangs, they   usually travel/play in herds), the difference is made by the the player's will and devotion. Most of them quit crying, some of them try to get better with every build and then, get even.

[Perteks]

I beg to differ.

And yes sure usually Garl is in every raiders encounter even non Khans clan raiders
Sad thing he live around 2161 now he will be too old (if he is alive ) to make anything than sit in his cave

[yoz]

You are mad that a pvp build has an advantage over a nonpvp build in pvp? Really?

[LagMaster]

we need some non combat skill guns

like zapper for science, wrench for repair, spear for ODM
or some else

[Swinglinered]

Losing an hour of farming loot is not fun, what I don't get is why you would be carrying so much stuff at once.

Make frequent stash drops, avoid well-trodden paths.

Carry a few frags to knock down PvPers/go for their arms.

Yes, some players are one-dimensional children. Do you have a time-zone/hunting pattern that puts you in frequent contact with these people?
I've had a handful of run-ins with PvP specs in a year, and I go all over the map.

[Trokanis]

Losing an hour of farming loot is not fun, what I don't get is why you would be carrying so much stuff at once.

Make frequent stash drops, avoid well-trodden paths.

So now it's spend 10 minutes or more with a non-outdoorsman char to get away from the 'well-trodden paths' then make a tent walk around and be sure to after every encounter walk back to your tent spending several minutes to and from, drop you gear, rinse/repeat?  Then after you have some nice stuff carry it to town PRAY that you don't get jumped on the way, or shop shot in town, or pick pocketed clean while trying to talk to the vender?  Yeah that sounds like fun over and over and over.

Yoz it's been stated that this isn't supposed to be a PvP dominate game.  That is just one part of the game. 

I'm not mad that they have the advantage, since I have the advantage of not needing to have 50 alts to get a job done.  I'm speaking for the Frustrated players, me included that are tired of trying to do the Other parts of the game and being constantly struck by the whims of the passing pk'r.  It may be a scary thought but there are actual people on the other side of those characters getting abused at low lvls by the bored pks and lulz seekers.

And Perteks this is more than just a faction mod, there is supposed to be more going on than just one side vs the other.  That's how the Fallout universe works.

Zuhardu, so you're saying conform or quit?  That's more of a WoW thing not a Fallout thing.  As Surf said, this isn't supposed to be JUST about pvp.  And really even with a 30% cripple build you short change your character to the other parts of the game, and in the end it just becomes you kill everyone else just in 'case' they're trying to kill you, possibly screwing over another new player.  That kind of circle of destruction leads to the same issue we already have.  People leaving.