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[vedaras]

Aha! Interesting in what terms? As long as there is no crucial update incoming needing the economy/playerbase to be wiped, what reason there is?

well example of 2 wipes ago:

all people did quests at beginning, and cajuns were killing people on quest places (in den) and taking stuff like metzgers suitcase, then you could buy it from them for 1000 caps and 1000 caps was quite much at very beginning. Things like that never happen now, so my point is that at beginning gameplay of all players is much more various

[Crazy]

well example of 2 wipes ago:

all people did quests at beginning, and cajuns were killing people on quest places (in den) and taking stuff like metzgers suitcase, then you could buy it from them for 1000 caps and 1000 caps was quite much at very beginning. Things like that never happen now, so my point is that at beginning gameplay of all players is much more various

Haha, I remember that, killing peoples in one burst with my loyal shotgun, and then my flamer, to get their award (or their suitcase if I was too fast). I even got the berzeker for some time ;p
This is a perfect example why wipes are awesome.

[Surf]

And what purpose does it do for testing stuff for the beta (as long as it was not a  bug - then I can understand you) ?

[vedaras]

And what purpose does it do for testing stuff for the beta (as long as it was not a  bug - then I can understand you) ?

testing would be 100% same, just the players will have more fun. Is that bad?

[Surf]

No one said it's bad, there is just no need for it. Also, don't draw everything from you to everyone else, not everyone enjoys to have his shit wiped over and over again periodically.

[Andr3aZ]

Most players don't really test, they just wanna have fun in this fallout world, their way.
But players and their choices make testing possibly. I think with more wipes we would create more different active player scenarios (as some posters here already told) as the players are kinda forced to do something. Nowadays its hoarding stuff and TC to improve your BA-carpet. If somebody wants to do something special for testing or not, its always kinda artifical and didnt come from alone (and it sometimes takes too much effort / gets destroyed by others too fast)

[JovankaB]

And what purpose does it do for testing stuff for the beta (as long as it was not a  bug - then I can understand you) ?

You seem to be confused. This is game suggestion (or call it server setting suggestion, whatever). Its purpose is to make gameplay better, by making period of low/mid tier longer relatively to whole season, not to improve testing somehow. It has nothing to do with testing, just like most sugesstions in this board have nothing to do with testing. We "tested" long seasons already I think it doesn't work very well, because people hoard items and level up new alts ad infinitum. Or they get bored eventually and stop playing.

I think there is a need for shorter seasons with many "win" conditions (or rather achievements).

[Rascal]

4 months sounds optimal for me. Its enough time to gather good stuff and ejoy having it. But not that much u have on evry hex of ur tent/base ba or camk2 :F (ofcooz it depends from gameplay style).

Surf, wipe always bring a lot of people back to the game, server is alive, wasteland is full of wastelanders, cities are full of life etc. Currently we have situation that players have tooons of stuff so they dont need to craft/farm/hoard/pk their stuff - they have no motivation to do so. Therefore only whats left is PvP whats in couse of swarms/mercs/militia i boring as hell too. So servers stats simply shows  month by month drop of active player base.

When wipe comes everything is different and server is alive. Just stop being blind to facts.

[Surf]

Surf, wipe always bring a lot of people back to the game, server is alive, wasteland is full of wastelanders, cities are full of life etc. Currently we have situation that players have tooons of stuff so they dont need to craft/farm/hoard/pk their stuff - they have no motivation to do so. Therefore only whats left is PvP whats in couse of swarms/mercs/militia i boring as hell too. So servers stats simply shows  month by month drop of active player base.

When wipe comes everything is different and server is alive. Just stop being blind to facts.

http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=15771.msg130530#msg130530

[Andr3aZ]

http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=15771.msg130530#msg130530

This is not a good answer in my opinion. The ones who want periodic wipes want it for getting the server full of life for gameplay improvement. In your linked post Lexx answers to Wichuras "2238 player stats have sunken because of the new travelling speed" that the devs would still develop the game if there were 0 players. But here we don't talk about players vanishing because of a feature (maybe the ones getting bored of the current server state), but how to get the server more action-loaded so it attracts more players to play it active.

I think both topics have nothing in common.

[Sarakin]

Good idea, f.e. having the period of 4 months with unlocking some things every month (being able to craft CA) can be more fun at this stage of development.

And each era having unique goal, like:
- PvP goal - first to reach 5k PC kills
- trade goal - first to gain 10 M caps
- PvE goal - first to slaugther 10k DC
etc. can even improve this

[abegade]

That's a stupid idea imho, we should work to balance a persistent world, not thinking about wiping every month. It could be funny at beginning, but you will soon have only 30 players left.
Don't forget that this game has a random playerbase and most of them can't spend hours farming and such, I left playing after my first wipe for example and started back only after a while since i didn't want to level up again, get stuff etc.
It could be funny for factions, but a real pain for solo players or even small groups. I lost 2 mates coz they don't want to level up again, and this upcoming wipe is even worse since they won't play knowing that everything they got will be lost.

[Sarakin]

If you have some experience, you know, that gaining stuff and lvling to 21 can be made within several days. And if were talking about 4 months, its more than 120 days - good enough to do or gain anything worthy.

I dont want to start any flaming, but on various occasions, only loners complain, that they wont be able to play like they did if some suggestion will be implemented. My question is, why do we have loners in MMO ? Its multiplayer, played by multiple players and the game is and should be about interaction between players - gangs, small groups, big groups. It is clear, that loner should have very hard time playing multiplayer game.

[avv]

That's a stupid idea imho, we should work to balance a persistent world, not thinking about wiping every month.

I agree here. If the game needs a wipe it only means that the features aren't long lasting enough.

[vedaras]

but you will soon have only 30 players left.

soon we will have this amount without wipe. Also keep in mind that this is just suggestion, the time of session till wipe and all other details are object of discussion.