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[Wichura]

Few thoughts about faction bases.

Base types

That could be nice to have a choice where to set up a new base of any kind (Gas Station, Secret Cave, Bunker etc.) In my opinion it's very easy to do, so why no to implement this? (this is a quiestion to developers, if any would come here)

Indeed. Maybe except bunker, which should remain available via quest.

What other base types would be needed? Dunno, we definetely need something that fits San Francisco, maybe nice spot hidden between ruins? Any ideas?


Base prices

Cave has only one small entrance.

Was planned different, back when the maps have been created. Will maybe change again some day in future, don't now.

Plans changed for now I see, so should prices then. Binding price only to containers count is a bit wrong, since for example Depot and Cave both cost 30k, and have totally different containers count.

Resources? Well, I see nothing wrong in having your own fiber-fruit field on your own piece of land.


Base locations
They are random now and will remain random, as it's not so easy to implement I guess. That's not the point here anyway.

For now we can buy base in Junktown, Klamath, Redding and Necropolis. How about move base "vendor" from in-the-middle-of-nowhere-Klamath to Broken Hills? How about adding such vendor in BH or other, like San Francisco, Gecko or NCR? This could go along with shrinking base appearance area, so after buying base in Redding you won't find it around Vault City anymore etc.


Base visibility
No. People used to hoard items and I bet my balls they wouldn't like to make their hamster burrows become visible to any griefer or pack of bored assholios wandering around.

Besides there are tents, where you can still keep tons of stuff. If tents become visible too, I sense flood of 10 ST "storage" alts to keep items on them. Who would waste money for bases, mercs to secure them and so on, if he can ask a friend for log into StorageAlt437 for a while?


Bunker base
It's amazing, outstanding, large-as-hell, well equipped, kick-ass-climate, resources-rich ... most useless base I know. Price isn't a problem here, sooner or later every organised group of players is able to gather 500k caps.

Location - this is main and only reason, why this base isn't popular as I believe it was intended to be. Imagine you can finish this quest and buy a huge bunker in Broken Hills, which is in the middle of the map, close to PvP cities, close to civilisation and fresh noobs down south, close to HQ mines. Did I just hear loud "YAY!"? Besides there are some ghouls in Broken Hills - why not put Wally the Greedy Lord there?

Our small gang bought bunker in this era again, and again I see rarely someone there. Pity, it's an awesome piece of mapper's art.



I'd like to ask "it-is-fine-as-it-is" guys to abstain from posting here. Base feature isn't bad, but I wouldn't call it "good", "fine" or "done" yet. Thank you for cooperation.

[Lexx]

Price was not only about container count, but ressources available in the bases. But this doesn't matter now anyway, as all the shit will be reworked some day. Right now it's very low down on the list.

[avv]

So this is about setting up a base by players. We could mix some faction rep stuff here, for example a gang with bad rep with SF hardly could set up a base right next to the city.

What's the point of containers anyway? You can just scatter everything on the ground and there's not even carrying capacity there.

Resources? Well, I see nothing wrong in having your own fiber-fruit field on your own piece of land.

Couldn't find anything else to disagree except this. Resources should be gathered in places where there's a risk of losing resources too.

[Surf]

What's the point of containers anyway? You can just scatter everything on the ground and there's not even carrying capacity there.

It looks ugly. Not everyone has an absent sense for aesthetics.

[avv]

It looks ugly. Not everyone has an absent sense for aesthetics.

Everything looks meaningless after a while and then only practicality counts.

[Wichura]

But this doesn't matter now anyway, as all the shit will be reworked some day.

Maybe it's good to know what people think about "all this shit", just in case.
Or not?

What's the point of containers anyway? You can just scatter everything on the ground and there's not even carrying capacity there.

What about stackable items, like raw materials, ammo or tools? It's simply comfortable to keep your stuff in some order.

Resources should be gathered in places where there's a risk of losing resources too.

Should we get rid of guarded LQ resource mines then? Sure, base could be just a huge "locker", without even a workbench, but then price should be lowered.

[Surf]

Bunker base
It's amazing, outstanding, large-as-hell, well equipped, kick-ass-climate, resources-rich ... most useless base I know. Price isn't a problem here, sooner or later every organised group of players is able to gather 500k caps.

Location

Each feature (should have) has upsides and downsides. Upsides are obvious on the bunker base, "downside" is the more remote location of the bunker. It is fine.

[avv]

What about stackable items, like raw materials, ammo or tools? It's simply comfortable to keep your stuff in some order.

My point was that there's no penalty for keeping items on ground and it's hardly problematic to keep items in order even then. So the question is why do the containers cost more money when the real pros when it comes to base are accessability to workbench and faction panel and visibility.
If you think about it, the best base would be an empty area where workbench and all other interactions were right next to you after entering.

Should we get rid of guarded LQ resource mines then? Sure, base could be just a huge "locker", without even a workbench, but then price should be lowered.

Guarded mines are still unsafe because you have to travel there. Surely they are pretty secure but their output of resources isn't particularly amazing either.

[LagMaster]

about the san-fran base, i think of 2 posibilities:
1. make it via a San Fran quest(SF is wa8 out the player interests for PvP and the encounters are to hard fpr loners)the quest shoud be easier(Wichura, you can make some sort of office building base, like the building used at Hinkley Warzone map)
2. add a new place to buy bases, like scavengers(they shoud know some good places for bases)


and also my sugestion: make the provate mine a base, why to give 75k caps for a place where only you can see it, not even your friends or alts

[Alvarez]

What about city ruin base, a mall or metro station, for example?

[LagMaster]

What about city ruin base, a mall or metro station, for example?

still it will need some modifications, but if you make a cheap office building to serve as a base with about 3 desks, a still in the basement, 3 lockers and a desk terminal it will be a good replacement for a cave

[Wichura]

Each feature (should have) has upsides and downsides. Upsides are obvious on the bunker base, "downside" is the more remote location of the bunker. It is fine.

No it's not, especially with current travelling "speed". Downside, if I can call that, is half milion of caps required to buy it. For a half milion you get the largest available storage, located in the middle of nowhere, so you use cheaper bases or tents and bunker stays abandoned. Something is wrong here.

If you think about it, the best base would be an empty area where workbench and all other interactions were right next to you after entering.

Duh, no. Well, yeah, I guess we can find more than one player that would love small square map with workbench and bazilion lockers one by one as "base", but please. For lazy retards there is many other games.
Point is - puting everything on the ground is simply inconvenient. It's not "wastelandish", it's not "cool", it's not "fine as it is" or "get use to it". It's just pain in ... dark place.

[Surf]

What about city ruin base, a mall or metro station, for example?

I like that idea. If I find the time I could do some mapping later on.

No it's not, especially with current travelling "speed". Downside, if I can call that, is half milion of caps required to buy it. For a half milion you get the largest available storage, located in the middle of nowhere, so you use cheaper bases or tents and bunker stays abandoned.

Fair enough, you even repeated the arguments that the bunker base is more then fine with your own words.

[Wichura]

Fair enough, you even repeated the arguments that the bunker base is more then fine with your own words.

Constant repeating how fine is not-so-fine feature won't magically make this feature real fine. Whatever, we are losing track here.

Metro station map could be cool, there are train tracks in mapper. How about a little challenge, Mr. "Fine" Surf?

[Alvarez]

I like that idea. If I find the time I could do some mapping later on.

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