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Re: Donations needed
« Reply #90 on: October 02, 2012, 11:45:51 pm »

So why are you still playing it/write on forums?
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Re: Donations needed
« Reply #91 on: October 02, 2012, 11:49:08 pm »

Yeah, when you read some of their posts it becomes obvious they're disconnected from reality when it comes to how games work. I mean I understand they might see 2238 as a nice pet project that they like to work on, but it doesn't change whether it works as a game or doesn't. Games are supposed to be entertaining and to appeal to their target group - and who does 2238 really appeal to? How many people would write this game a stellar or even mediocre review right here, right now - and how many gaming magazines or even niche blogs would accept a positive review without losing credibility in front of their visitors?

The problem is nobody's asking these questions, it's just the same old ego-fueled story with some of the devs acting like 2238 is special as if the internet wasn't already full of free games. The reality is harsh - if a game sucks, it loses players and stops being played. Games are designed to be played, so if they fail at attracting people they are bad games. It really is as simple as that. And if the devs are hell-bent on disregarding everything (I mean negative support is still support, if you want your game to improve as a game it's infinitely better than silence which basically means your game is dead an nobody cares) and making a bad game that will cater to somewhere around ten or twenty people with some extremely weird tastes, they should just have the god-damn balls to finally admit it so that everyone else can finally know what to expect.

Aren't you tired of repeating yourself all the time?
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Re: Donations needed
« Reply #92 on: October 02, 2012, 11:49:50 pm »

Let it be clear, I have nothing against Jov, Mayck and Johnny. They are connected all the time, doing their best and I support them, especially in this terrible atmosphere. The problem is, they seem to be alone. They should work to support the original devs, which are unavailable most of the time. I didn't see any message from Ghosthack, Atom or Solar for an eternity. I know they have totally good reasons, as well as rights, to be away. But since, afaik, Rotators' team allocated the different aspects of the game between its members and never seemed to be able to replace someone when he left for long period, no surprise about te results we observe for a very long time now. The lack of communication and planning is the reason of my anger, much more than the ingame problems we have, which can be fixed pretty fast, even in a non-final way.
Re: Donations needed
« Reply #93 on: October 02, 2012, 11:52:15 pm »

Aren't you tired of repeating yourself all the time?
IMHO this is the problem. pointless post with no feedback or anything related to the topic.
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Re: Donations needed
« Reply #94 on: October 02, 2012, 11:52:43 pm »

Aren't you tired of repeating yourself all the time?

So are you saying he's right?
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Re: Donations needed
« Reply #95 on: October 02, 2012, 11:58:40 pm »

So why are you still playing it/write on forums?
Because I just might be one of the 20 people with a really weird taste. Or maybe it's just by a force of habit. Who knows?

Aren't you tired of repeating yourself all the time?
Not really, no... how about you? I'm just really curious whether anyone from your devteam can provide a somewhat satisfying answer to the questions I ask. On the other hand, I'm not entirely sure what's your point... do you get off on acting mighty, arrogant and dismissive all the time?

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Re: Donations needed
« Reply #96 on: October 03, 2012, 12:02:37 am »

Not really, no... how about you? I'm just really curious whether anyone from your devteam can provide a somewhat satisfying answer to the questions I ask.

What answers do you want to have? Should we bow down and admit all faulty things and then go cover in shame? What would it change for you? Would you get off on it?
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Re: Donations needed
« Reply #97 on: October 03, 2012, 12:04:30 am »

No idea what answers you want to have. Should we bow down and admit all faulty things and then go cover in shame? What would it change for you? Would you get off on it?
You could join the discussion instead of making snide replies here and there to other players.
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Re: Donations needed
« Reply #98 on: October 03, 2012, 12:06:34 am »

This "discussion" here comes up like every two days and I really don't feel motivated to hash and rehash it over and over again.
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Re: Donations needed
« Reply #99 on: October 03, 2012, 12:10:32 am »

This "discussion" here comes up like every two days and I really don't feel motivated to hash and rehash it over and over again.
But you are motivated to reply in an unprofessional manner on a regular basis, i see. My point is that all most of these people want is an intelligent conversation with a little feedback from the devs and maybe use the blog a bit more to let us know whats being planned for our future.
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Re: Donations needed
« Reply #100 on: October 03, 2012, 12:11:20 am »

What answers do you want to have? Should we bow down and admit all faulty things and then go cover in shame? What would it change for you? Would you get off on it?
When you admit you're doing something wrong you can start doing it right. Have you ever tried to get over yourself and consider the fact that at least some people who care enough to post here just might be trying to help you out, or at least give you feedback you can work on?

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Re: Donations needed
« Reply #101 on: October 03, 2012, 12:12:42 am »

Every two days ? So could someone enlighten us ? What is devteam plan for the future of their game ? Are they going to give more freedom to their new partners, and/or recruit new ones to replace those who cannot participate ?

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Re: Donations needed
« Reply #102 on: October 03, 2012, 12:22:09 am »

The "new partners" have as much freedom as any other dev in the team. Nobody is limited, there is no fuhrer none whatsoever. Every decision is talked about in a collective, everyone has the same voice and can state their opinion about everything whenever they want.

Nice_Boat talks about stuff all the time which we know already. In fact, most of the shit is what we have seen before already, but that doesn't mean it can be changed ninja-style. Reading about it all the time, though, is as annoying as listening to jehovah's witnesses. I am pretty sure I explained this already a few times, but hey, as long as we don't do a huge shame-post or whatever it probably isn't noticed, I have no idea.
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Re: Donations needed
« Reply #103 on: October 03, 2012, 12:30:17 am »

Nice_Boat talks about stuff all the time which we know already. In fact, most of the shit is what we have seen before already, but that doesn't mean it can be changed ninja-style. Reading about it all the time, though, is as annoying as listening to jehovah's witnesses. I am pretty sure I explained this already a few times, but hey, as long as we don't do a huge shame-post or whatever it probably isn't noticed, I have no idea.
First of all, I don't really post here a lot and if you all knew this stuff I wouldn't have to reply to posts like the one coming from Jovanka or I would've gotten a definite answer a long time ago and stopped bugging you about this issue.

Secondly, most of the shit people are asking you to fix is simple enough for a newbie scripter or dialogue writer to handle in an hour, tops. This is not 2009 Lexx, many people actually have some first-hand knowledge of how FOnline development works and this excuse will just not fly this time around.

And yeah, I see what you're doing here and let me tell you that confusing the few inexperienced players left here is not going to buy you a whole lot of time. But to be completely honest - if you want to see 2238 irrevocably crash and burn, who am I to judge? Your game, your responsibility, your effort, your call.
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Re: Donations needed
« Reply #104 on: October 03, 2012, 12:31:28 am »

I think Lexx's display of integrity is refreshing.  It would be so easy for him to say "Sure thing guys, changes for x, y and z are on there way.  I've totally seen the error of my ways, now please send the money." then take the money and run to Mexico.  I for one appreciate that he isn't a politician catering to patronize every one.  Sure the "monetary" incentive would be to add all the shitty features the population wants (as the sad fact is most of the population is 12yo wow playing carebears), which would probably leave you with a WoW lite fallout experience.  I don't want that.  Am i defending all the choices and the direction of the development of 2238?  No, but in order to proceed forward you need to implement changes from time to time and some are gonna suck.  Hopefully the whole process of refinement will help remove shitty features while adding good ones, that takes time and is always going to be individually subjective.  This game tries to cater to several competing groups of players, some pvp, some pve, some rt, some tb, some rp, etc,.  It's very hard to balance the needs, wants and expectations of such diverse interests.  That said, update please! 


(or at least tell us what to expect, that would make rationalizing donating much more palatable.  Or you can remain steadfast on your principles, whatever they may be, and expect to get what your gonna get.)
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