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Author Topic: Piece of shit game?  (Read 52171 times)

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Re: Piece of shit game?
« Reply #150 on: March 09, 2012, 08:05:04 pm »

devs... mostly solar fix sd please. really you guys should have thought this threw making sneakers get insta crits like it would not be used for trolling... come on. make i weaker give it standard +25 percent damage from back and thats it not insta crit thats just op. tired of walking around and getting killed in ca by 200=280 crits from nades and its right beside my millita and mercs! they just stand there and go durrr we no see nothing becausse sneakers can sneaker right in front of us durrrr hurrrr.
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Re: Piece of shit game?
« Reply #151 on: March 09, 2012, 08:14:17 pm »

So sorry to burst your bubble, but Swarmy isn't a SD Troll, so sorry for your misinformation.  To say this game is flawless is of course ridiculous, but, it still maintains a certain sick twisted charm.  Is this game going into the direction of alienating its own base and deterring new players, yes, yes it is.  Is this a game that can replace it's lost players that loose interest, no, no it isn't.  Will this game suffer a slow wasting death into oblivion, most likely.  With all those things said, that is the core of what this "niche" game is all about.  I'm not happy with all the changes this session, but hey I have lots of freedom, you do to.  If they make too many concessions they may very well loose all that is "special" about fonline 2238, that's not to say there isn't room for improvement, there is.  I just don't like knee-jerk overcorrections (read nerfness).  Do I think NCR army needs 286 hps?  Prollly not.  Do I think cripples needed to be nerfed into nothingness, prolly not.  Hey, I'm not the developer, I loathe and hate the developers and GMs, but they have given us a pretty neat game :)  Is this game accessible to solo new players, hell no!  If your a new player considering fonline 2238 thinking to your self your a badass that loves "hard" games, just do yourself and us a favor and chop off your own dick before you post your "OMG this Game is too hard so it sucks thread!", you've been given due notice.
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Re: Piece of shit game?
« Reply #152 on: March 09, 2012, 09:56:07 pm »

It should be erased because you say so. Excellent point.

Well maybe i should rephrase myself. Its such a horrible feature, that shouldnt be ever implemented. But since, we have that crits, it should be removed. Just that. No more bitching about nerfing and other shit - simply, none needs that op crits. There is no logic in such feature. Just some LSD idea of insane crits, just because your character is transparent, and is standing back of victim;] First, devs removed original perks, because it gives 100% crits, but few wipes later, suddenly they gave us abnother perk, which gives 100% crit chance. And you dont even hase to be cap level. Pure trolling. Yeah, nice one... im waiting for more of these...
As someone wrote before: there were sneaker builds before, no need to buff them, by SD.

Why saying low-int idea is wrong? Ive heard thousand of times, about calling every regular player here in gazillions words. Why we have to treat devs better? I dont want to hurt anyone, but if someone is constantly moving around subject, and never admit mistakes, i really dont care of discussion. And yes, no matter how badly you triple want to suck someones balls, SD is still really bad feature, and you dont have to be Sherlock, to predict that it will bring only problems.

But from the other hand, you pointed me well - such words: "low-int" doesnt help to solve any problem, so sorry for guy who invented that feature. I still think that its complete crap, but admit that those words werent polite.
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Re: Piece of shit game?
« Reply #153 on: March 09, 2012, 10:25:02 pm »

So many walls of text about nothing.

Playerbase was alright until server was attacked. Having server offline for a week, people realized that they can do something more meaningful than playing FOnline. I think some chunky update might lure them back to game.
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Re: Piece of shit game?
« Reply #154 on: March 09, 2012, 11:00:29 pm »

TC fix will wake up many players , at least it should.
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Re: Piece of shit game?
« Reply #155 on: March 10, 2012, 12:23:09 am »

tc, armors and tabaco farm ;]
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Re: Piece of shit game?
« Reply #156 on: March 10, 2012, 12:41:21 am »

It all boils down to the basic problem this entire game has, no matter what the changes are, if someone can find a way to annoy, kill, troll, and lulz for cheap and easy, it WILL be found and used, and any time you talk about changing it they will cry soo hard about the so called 'cry babies' when in fact they're the ones crying over losing some easy street way of doing things.

This thread isn't just about the one broken feature of SD naders, it's about ALL the broken stuff, and stuff that should be relooked at.  Twice usable armor off npcs, crafting that takes four times as long for the same piece of crap item you're gonna lose (probably to an SD nade noob), 10mm SMG being considered a top teir item along with it's better counterpart the HK p90c.  The merchant system *which isn't finished yet but still an issue*  TC, the fact that the game is LESS playable to new players and smaller groups (baring times where the server is WAY low pop).  But hey if you guys wanna keep banging your heads against the wall over one topic I'm not gonna stop you, that's the FOnline way anyhow.  Spend time make gear, level a few times, lose all to pk, repeat.
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Re: Piece of shit game?
« Reply #157 on: March 10, 2012, 12:44:37 am »

whatever liek it was said the whole balance of thos game is fucked up sorry for these words , maybe server crash had something to do with it but i guess not . its too hard for loners and new players and all these trolling stuff u only see here . i have enjoy the last season and i dont care what stuff other people got as long i cant see it ^^ last season was a good season but this season i dont know ...
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Re: Piece of shit game?
« Reply #158 on: March 10, 2012, 06:11:38 am »

All said below is dramatically true.OFC i don't want this game to become mainstream.I feel like i am way,way better than tons of others players that ragequitted,because i raged,yes,a lot,but never gave up-just like many others struggling to have some fun in this post wipe hellish wasteland.But the only,whole point of the question,in my opinion,apart from obvious polishes needed and largely discussed is:We desperately need to create a niche for novice players to learn their way,even if they are loners,and to learn how to organize,keep their interest intact without hurting them too much and without ruining the fact that real prosperity is for organized pros.That's the real challenge for the devs.Because even the most die hard fans of this game first of later is going to go away from the game,just a matter of time,and we need turnover,and increasing population.


So,why not making exp easier to get..?Suggested basic builds in the character creation screen..?Talking npcs who gives REAL suggestion around the game (where to farm proficiently,how to make some cash..?)...and other little helps that makes life easier for newcomers..imagination is our friend.Not too easy to unbalance,but still easy enough not to give up in half an hour...
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Re: Piece of shit game?
« Reply #159 on: March 10, 2012, 10:24:31 am »

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So,why not making exp easier to get..?Suggested basic builds in the character creation screen..?Talking npcs who gives REAL suggestion around the game (where to farm proficiently,how to make some cash..?)...and other little helps that makes life easier for newcomers..imagination is our friend.Not too easy to unbalance,but still easy enough not to give up in half an hour...
Novice players won't play this game due to ridiculous amounts of grind and due to the fact that to grind anything you need to know shit you can't learn without being in a faction with a full set of alts which you can't even exp due to being poor because you can't even grind for viable stuff. Solar (or was it someone else?) turned the economy into an effin' vicious circle for the newcomers and into a total pain in the ass for the oldschool players, no wonder none are pouring in and some are opting out.

As for the latter part - yeah, no. It seems it's better to annoy people with lowering the rewards for doing quests as awesome and educative as carrying boxes from point A to point B in a guarded city. What was that supposed to accomplish again? And I mean both the lower reward and the fact the quest actually exists.
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Re: Piece of shit game?
« Reply #160 on: March 10, 2012, 11:14:19 am »

meanwhile 85 people online :D lets w8 for begging for donations, I know it sounds cruel but it really looks like Solar wants to finish off this project
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Re: Piece of shit game?
« Reply #161 on: March 10, 2012, 11:16:18 am »

Novice players won't play this game due to ridiculous amounts of grind and due to the fact that to grind anything you need to know shit you can't learn without being in a faction with a full set of alts which you can't even exp due to being poor because you can't even grind for viable stuff. Solar (or was it someone else?) turned the economy into an effin' vicious circle for the newcomers and into a total pain in the ass for the oldschool players, no wonder none are pouring in and some are opting out.

I have to agree. Every time my alliance gets some new player who asks how to get some good stuff or advance economically in the game it's difficult to explain that to be really good fast, you have to work hours every day and make dozens of alts and abuse features.
Sure you can succeed in time with normal methods like mining, crafting, farming and shopping but if you do that alone with single char, it's going to take forever before you got enough gear to do competitive pvp.

I'd say abuses and exploits are too profitable compared to mundane methods. But people don't want to report them because normal ways are too slow or boring. But devs keep working, new features emerge and once those are done they can ask us what needs doing. Then it's time to reveal these exploits and abuses and suggest something compact and fun features to replace them. I simply refuse to haul spears to junktown as main source for caps.
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Re: Piece of shit game?
« Reply #162 on: March 10, 2012, 11:57:09 am »

I have to agree [...]

Yep. This and i would add: devs want to cut every feature, that makes players life easier, even if DOESNT BREAK GAMEPLAY for other players. Example? SMG removed from stron slavers. SMG is shit anyway, if you want to pwn players in pvp (and strons slavers had only jhp ammo!), but someone figured that this is too easy to get nice pve gun. Solar wants everybody to be nolife, and grind whole day to get shit, which isnt even worth anything for merchants around wasteland.
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Re: Piece of shit game?
« Reply #163 on: March 10, 2012, 01:52:52 pm »

This is a multiplayer game , players need to work together in order to achieve something , those who do have no problems everything piles up so quickly after few weeks of playing you have equipment for the rest of the season. There are those factions where each member has his own base where he keeps stuff , so no wonder why their always so slow in the beginning of wipe for example , then you can hear how hard is to obtain stuff from those members.
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Re: Piece of shit game?
« Reply #164 on: March 10, 2012, 02:58:47 pm »

So many walls of text about nothing.

Playerbase was alright until server was attacked. Having server offline for a week, people realized that they can do something more meaningful than playing FOnline. I think some chunky update might lure them back to game.

 I will prefer event. What abou wanamingo infestation in Redding, or Enclave invasion in any city. Of course, GM should first check if there is any activity in that city or if that city is not mostly empty.

 But i bet my left testicle that GM will not create any funny event to bring back players.. :/
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