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[Michaelh139]

I was asking about your builds to see your experience in Hinkley. For that you gave me a CHARACTER PLANNER and a bg with bloody mess and awarness. I made my point.

I gave you one character planner and one ingame.  >.>.

Awareness is a tactical perk, so...  I don't see how it's a bad thing, it's about PvP playstyle.  I told you the second one was flawed...  so your kinda being douche there.  I just got done finishing levelling the first one that is shown by character planner. >.>

And FYI  What is wrong with Character planner?  You asked about builds no?  

[aForcefulThrust]

BG kills in 2, 3 shots max. Just about always.   As a pistol crippler you shoot 5,6, maybe 9 times before you make a kill and die in 1-2 shots from BG almost always. Only way for survival is arm critical/cripple or knockout.

Also so what of BG are more expensive, any experienced player can get them NP so it doesn't really matter. Adjust prices problem fixed.

Anyway i'm sure the devs have thought this out very thoroughly, and have added a new kind of weapon perk(more critical aimed shots!) to compensate for anti crit perks and armors

[Perteks]

BG kills in 2, 3 shots max. Just about always.   As a pistol crippler you shoot 5,6, maybe 9 times before you make a kill and die in 1-2 shots from BG almost always. Only way for survival is arm critical/cripple or knockout.

BG kills in 2-3 shots from hex rest is maybe dmg for 40 (sometimes much less), dont count crits because its like bypass done by sniper.

[Johnnybravo]

BG kills in 2-3 shots from hex rest is maybe dmg for 40 (sometimes much less), dont count crits because its like bypass done by sniper.

Then you're doing it wrong. For example avenger minigun loaded with AP ammo (remmember that vanilla minigun is going to get it's stats after wipe, while this big boy is going to be buffed even more) do about 80-100 damage per burst in arbitary distance except from 1hex which is obviously much lower.

If you reduce this damage with toughness, beer and psycho you're definetly not playing sniper.

[Perteks]

Then you're doing it wrong. For example avenger minigun loaded with AP ammo (remmember that vanilla minigun is going to get it's stats after wipe, while this big boy is going to be buffed even more) do about 80-100 damage per burst in arbitary distance except from 1hex which is obviously much lower.

If you reduce this damage with toughness, beer and psycho you're definetly not playing sniper.

Damn but truth is other

[Johnnybravo]

Yeah right, I meant damage from hex is higher not lower, silly typo.
Why don't you just try it with your friends?

[Perteks]

Yeah right, I meant damage from hex is higher not lower, silly typo.
Why don't you just try it with your friends?

Sad i tried it many times and avenger do shitty dmg from more than 1hex. How sad even with 2 brd i can shoot to bluesuit knocked out sometimes for 40 dmg ? Ridiculus yea but true. Without 2brd u can hit from pointblack for 40 dmg into ba guy. Without 2 more critical u can score still high dmg from eye shot

[Michaelh139]

Sad i tried it many times and avenger do shitty dmg from more than 1hex. How sad even with 2 brd i can shoot to bluesuit knocked out sometimes for 40 dmg ? Ridiculus yea but true. Without 2brd u can hit from pointblack for 40 dmg into ba guy. Without 2 more critical u can score still high dmg from eye shot

I do 60-80 with a minigun and 80-120 with avenger....  I don't know what your build is man but it is messed up somehow.

[Perteks]

But i said about real pvp when people have ba +drugs not to bluesuit shooting

[Solar]

He is just taking an unusually poor avenger shot and moaning about it as if it were typical.

[Michaelh139]

But i said about real pvp when people have ba +drugs not to bluesuit shooting

that is what I'm talking about.  trolol?  Of course I usually go for the snipers....  But i do decent damage on tanks aswell

[Perteks]

delete this post i will give screens etc for prove.

[Solar]

delete this post i will give screens etc for prove.

I have shot the avenger many times in a controlled test. Sometimes the early bullet will miss and you'll get a low total. Average damage is ~90 per burst, I don't care what screens you have to post.

[Perteks]

How sad when i test it it was 30-60 dmg without drugged enemy and nearly half of it with same opponet but with no double brd. LSW give same result without brd huh ok i think its my last post here

[Reiniat]

BG kills in 2, 3 shots max. Just about always.   As a pistol crippler you shoot 5,6, maybe 9 times before you make a kill and die in 1-2 shots from BG almost always. Only way for survival is arm critical/cripple or knockout.

Also so what of BG are more expensive, any experienced player can get them NP so it doesn't really matter. Adjust prices problem fixed.

Anyway i'm sure the devs have thought this out very thoroughly, and have added a new kind of weapon perk(more critical aimed shots!) to compensate for anti crit perks and armors

come on, youre doing it wrong.
first if you plan to use 6 or 5 shots for kill your enemy you will need to reload you AP at least 3 times (if you have a doubleshoter) wich means that the BG will run like Rambo and kill you from one hex

The purpose of a pistol crippler is blind the enemy, or take out his weapon, (we cant know what is more probable, thanks again devs!!)
But pistols are for shot from FAR, laser pistol has 35range and plasma 20. (im not SG pistolero, and i can kill only in the wastes, you should add this weapons at hinkley) the purpose of the gun is inabilite the guy before he reaches you. its a AP isuue, your enemy can shot you from far and waste his AP or run like a heck against you, awesomly no one do this most of the guys waste his AP from far and get killed easy.
Laser pistol will do criticals from 60-100 plasma 120-150. doubleshooters have a 44% of make a double critical. one shoters have 75%, but they need to reload his AP. this is designed to inanilite the enemy in 1-2 shots, the other ones are just an issue. IT IS POSIBLE TO KILL BG USING YOU BRAIN, but most of the time you will get killed for close distance, (had 200HP is useful then), practically those builts are based in real life Luck, if you dont inabilite your enemy on time you be simply dead.
In encounters with Cautios Nature you will always rock killing BG because you arent even in his sight, but i dont even think in use EW pistols in TC or hinkley, then i drug my char to do double plasma shots from the Plasma Rifle.
If you do something like a new way of resist criticals you will crush most of my builts (the only ones i can use) and i will not play the game the next season.
PD: a new conraresting perk will make us waste a perk in our builts, i need BroF, 2xToughness, Better Criticals, Lifegiver, Awareness and Action boy, there is no space for more perks, unless i get drug or use 10AG and 6END wich is idiot