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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => Closed suggestions => Topic started by: Bulldog on September 07, 2010, 04:50:43 am
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As the topic says, ban anyone insulting a whole nation and all of that sort. Make strict rules and punish the ones that disobey them.
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We already do this.
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We already do this.
Well, not good enough then.
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Word filter every racial slur into something nonthreatening and Falllout appropriate. Like skag.
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As the topic says, ban anyone insulting a whole nation and all of that sort. Make strict rules and punish the ones that disobey them.
you just have to realize, that there is no racism in yelling "fuckin russians" after being raped by russian PK... if you think it is, then you have misunderstood whole meaning of the word "racism"... ;)
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Racism is, as soon as someone insults me.
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ok... we have whites, blacks, yellows.. and Lexx ;D ;D ;D
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What color is Lexx? He is green! ;D ;D ;D
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Whhheehee! Let's ban everybody, who uses words 'I' or 'me', cuz by using this words (s)he insults ALL other members of OUR small and friendly FOnline society.
Nuff said.
Ofc racism is bad thing, but let's leave this to real life. E.G. in WOW no one gonna ban you, just cuz you say 'orcs must be eleminated, erased from the face of earth...'
P.S.^ I'm a bit drunk, so i can be a bit misunderstood too - don't judge me too xxx...
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1. WoW has nothing to do with FOnline.
2. No one is talking about ingame canon "racism" (towards ghouls, mutants etc)
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2. No one is talking about ingame canon "racism" (towards ghouls, mutants etc)
Yup it is, BUT if players had a choice of e.g. 15 races (no benefits or smth, just the race name(that would be displayed before nick)) - i bet, that russians in the most amount would choose e.g. 'ghouls', polaks would choose 'mutants'... etc. And vouale... ''I killed u cuz u're russian'' will magically transform in 'i hate ghouls'
... and problem of ingame racim is solved.
P.S.: Disabling all variants of communication, except in english will greatly improve politeness of ingame communications. I mean disabling all kinds of non-english-language communications (even transliterated messages). lol. Big Brother is watching u.
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If no GMs online to report racism and hostile speech about parents, to who should I send screen and log on forum?
Any GM?
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Yup it is, BUT if players had a choice of e.g. 15 races (no benefits or smth, just the race name(that would be displayed before nick)) - i bet, that russians in the most amount would choose e.g. 'ghouls', polaks would choose 'mutants'... etc. And vouale... ''I killed u cuz u're russian'' will magically transform in 'i hate ghouls'
... and problem of ingame racim is solved.
P.S.: Disabling all variants of communication, except in english will greatly improve politeness of ingame communications. I mean disabling all kinds of non-english-language communications (even transliterated messages). lol. Big Brother is watching u.
Racism has nothing to do with orks and ghouls as stated before. If you're writing this sort of messages then you either are stupid or ignorant to other people. Racism is a crime, no matter in game "Fucking Russians" or in real life "Fucking Russians". I'm amazed that this project is over 2 years old and still we have this type of shit-holes (racists) walking among us.
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Racism has nothing to do with orks and ghouls as stated before. If you're writing this sort of messages then you either are stupid or ignorant to other people. Racism is a crime, no matter in game "Fucking Russians" or in real life "Fucking Russians". I'm amazed that this project is over 2 years old and still we have this type of shit-holes (racists) walking among us.
Today one moron was shouting about mothers and russians whole day at NCR, and nothing happened to him.
No GMs were online.
I have only screenshots and log.
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Today one moron was shouting about mothers and russians whole day at NCR, and nothing happened to him.
No GMs were online.
I have only screenshots and log.
I suppose you should share the screens so that we could keep track on GM actions concerning this case.
Besides, the server should know it's "heroes".
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should know it's "heroes".
dremor...
He was spoted before wipe many times for racism and saying bad words about parents.
Character names I saw was:
dremor
Lynch
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I just don't see the problem with racism... People who act racist are either trying to be funny cracking a for example *Mmm lets go to KFC *****s![incase banforum]) or they're just being pricks and should simply be ignored unless they're for another example, continuosly harrassing like following u around in ncr and saying fucking greenass polish over and over again, then thats a reason. But if its just one spout of racism and its done then I honestly don't see how its so damn awful and evil just because of what racist people have done in the past, that doesn't mean every racist person is like such, they simply have different opinions.
Ultimately, in my perspective, don't like it, ignore it or fight them back, with... like a smg in the face in ncr :). But if they're incessintly fucking with you whether its verbally abusive or racially (Technically same thing) it should be bannable.
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It's against the game rules. Doesnt matter if one wants to be "funny" (whats that for a humour anyway?).
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It's against the game rules. Doesnt matter if one wants to be "funny" (whats that for a humour anyway?).
You obvously wouldn't understand even if I explained it...
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Surf Solar
Now we have two names, are you going to take any actions?
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It's been said several times that we wont give people sanctions just because people say it so.
If we are there too and see such bullshittalk, then we do something. You can use +requesthelp aswell if you encounter such kids yelling racist remarks.
Another thing are offendable nicknames, you can PM us the names.
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Russians don't understand english insults anyway. They don't feel offended and everyone is happy.
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Russians don't understand english insults anyway. They don't feel offended and everyone is happy.
Those are the people who should be banned, people who don't know english that play an english server.........
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You guys are just like screaming kids to whom someone said an insult.
I hate racists maybe more then average persone, but whether racial speech is against the rules or not, you should either just ignore the retard or act as you can in game to punish him...
At least I welcome the fact that I can see right away these people as retards, when they don't have to hide it, then if I found out later...
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Those are the people who should be banned, people who don't know english that play an english server.........
Exactly. It's not like I don't like Russians but mostly all what they can say in english is "fuck USA" or "you nazi". Anyway, insults give the game more wasteland feel. Wasteland is nothing like today's world.
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You guys are just like screaming kids to whom someone said an insult.
I hate racists maybe more then average persone, but whether racial speech is against the rules or not, you should either just ignore the retard or act as you can in game to punish him...
At least I welcome the fact that I can see right away these people as retards, when they don't have to hide it, then if I found out later...
The problem is that the "in-game punishment" one player (or a gang) can do is almost ridiculous.
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One great thing about MMO gaming is that you can actually vent your frustration on people. For example in a guarded town if someone is getting on your nerves, stash all your stuff and run up and kick them in the groin. If you are lucky the guards will accidentally burst them to death and they will loose their stuff.
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People are you all crazy or what? What shit is this discussion about? You really think that if someone shouts "fuckin russian" (fuckin czech, fuckin german, or fuckin whatever), that it is racism? What the fuck? From my point of view, I dont see any racism, just swearing to some specific player or group of players, because it is simply easier to tell "fuckin russian" than "fuckin boy in bluesuit with nickname written in cyrilic"... just stop this madness, dont try to be übercorrect, you will just ruin this game with some friggin censoring...
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Punishing people breaking the rules has nothing to do with censoring.
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Punishing people breaking the rules has nothing to do with censoring.
well, if some people cannot make the difference between swearing and racist insults, then there is no difference between punishing and censoring ;)
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If a group of players with cyrillic names kills me, and I shout "fucking russians", how do you know if I am referring to these particular players (legal swearing), or all russians (illegal racist speech)?
IMHO such things shouldn't fetch one a kick or ban, unless the racial speech doesn't go really overboard, like saying some real life group should go to gas or die in another way...
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If a group of players with cyrillic names kills me, and I shout "fucking russians", how do you know if I am referring to these particular players (legal swearing), or all russians (illegal racist speech)?
IMHO such things shouldn't fetch one a kick or ban, unless the racial speech doesn't go really overboard, like saying some real life group should go to gas or die in another way...
You should avoid using "Fucking Russians", read a vocabulary if you lack insults. For example "you bitches blah-blah" or whatever comes to your mind, racism is a forbidden and it's a crime.
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You should avoid using "Fucking Russians", read a vocabulary if you lack insults. For example "you bitches blah-blah" or whatever comes to your mind, racism is a forbidden and it's a crime.
Exactly, well said.
I don't understand to insult other people in the first place, but I see there are many people who can't calm down and realize that this is just a game. ;)
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People are you all crazy or what? What shit is this discussion about? You really think that if someone shouts "fuckin russian" (fuckin czech, fuckin german, or fuckin whatever), that it is racism? What the fuck? From my point of view, I dont see any racism, just swearing to some specific player or group of players, because it is simply easier to tell "fuckin russian" than "fuckin boy in bluesuit with nickname written in cyrilic"... just stop this madness, dont try to be übercorrect, you will just ruin this game with some friggin censoring...
Ruin the game by making people obey the rules or maybe ruin it by making people more tolerate or maybe teaching people that race has nothing to do with behaviour? If you wish me to show you how awful racial insults may be just pm me, I'll offer you a couple of free examples if you name me your sex, race and colour.
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People are you all crazy or what? What shit is this discussion about? You really think that if someone shouts "fuckin russian" (fuckin czech, fuckin german, or fuckin whatever), that it is racism? What the fuck? From my point of view, I dont see any racism, just swearing to some specific player or group of players, because it is simply easier to tell "fuckin russian" than "fuckin boy in bluesuit with nickname written in cyrilic"... just stop this madness, dont try to be übercorrect, you will just ruin this game with some friggin censoring...
You mean I can roleplay a nazi, who will tell that X nation sux, or X race sux all the time at NCR laughting and it's ok?
They ban people who painting nazi sign at NCR with brahmin shit, but they shouldn't ban them if they only saying that?
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Exactly...
Its JUST a GAME!
So if someone in a GAME tells me "Fuck, you fucking Greek and all you giros and feta eating bastards" I wont really care...
because its a GAME!
If it was in real life I would probably STILL not care unless if he kept repeating it.
But in a Game to be "bothered" and "upset" because some sleazy fat guy who probably doesnt own a second pair of underwear and is sitting for the second day in a row in front of a pc told me that my mother is a slut or something and for me to actually take offence...
well then I am the pitifull one for caring about what a random guy said!
Edit: Also I like how GMs and Devs and Mods tell us to man up and not to complain about PKers who murder low level blue suits a bazillion times before they can gro up to become 21 level themselves and start pking out of revenge"because thats how the game is, tough and unforgiving" but god forbid someone says something racist... the whole world will collapse! The universe will end! A whole race will feel slighted and WWIII will start because one idiot called another idiot a racial slur! Ban them! Ban them all lest civilisation ends!
Political Correctness for the Lose!
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So if someone in a GAME tells me "Fuck, you fucking Greek and all you giros and feta eating bastards" I wont really care...
Racist! get him :D
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I think drawing facist or nazi symbols should be rewared with a permaban.
Thats fucked up shit that represents a bunch of criminals who forced people to kill, lied to them and let the psychic ones go crazy one the ones they hate. I myself feel extremly disturbed by the sight of idiots drawing symbols "for the lulz" that remind me of the victims of this bunch of assholes and the poor generations which had been taken their youth and future or even life.
Most people dont know that this whole nazi crap is an insult to germans too. It wasnt all fun and games here in germany during the nazi time...
As for spoken racism im parted. I dont care what to be called but i respect someone beeing insulted by "damn [insert race/country here]".
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So if someone playing the game is Muslim should he be offended if someone draws a cross?
Since the crusaders murdered thousands of innocents in numerous cities after conquering them.
Should a non-christian be offended also by the cross especially if he has european origins and hence his "ancestors" suffered under the Inquisition?
In general if you WANT to find racism and if you consider a 'symbol' to be evil then you have other issues and problems in real life and no game can solve all of those. If you start nit-picking then you will find a million things that could be considered improper or racist from one group or another and you cannot satisfy all of them but satisfying some of them just makes it feel more unfair.
Unless you are prepared to add to the rules of the game "You are not allowed to bring up in any manner: Religion, race, belief system, core values, political views, wealth levels, family relations, football team preference, basketball team reference" and so on and so forth anything that may cause division, derision or arguements" then in my honest opinion you should not bother with such rules.
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Im not offended by symbols, im offended by idiots who think its funny to paint the ground with such symbols.
Because they do it for the sole expression of dumbness and trolling.
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Im not offended by symbols, im offended by idiots who think its funny to paint the ground with such symbols.
Because they do it for the sole expression of dumbness and trolling.
Then it seems you have to make up your mind if you want to ban the symbols or trolling and idiocy in general...
Or just take it easy, ignore the retards and not to try to ruin this game by making more and more people watch their mouth...
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just take it easy, ignore the retards and not to try to ruin this game
Doin that sir. Just stating what should be a reason for bans in the categorie "racism"
Im not a crybaby about swastikas or anything - i just dont like the uneducated guys who call every german a nazi but draw facist symbols theirselves.
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People drawing such symbols to offend others for their fun have some serious issues.
Swastikas have always been the sign of good things till the nazis used it.
In western culture, especially in Europe, it nowadays is associated solely with nazi Germany.
Some of you should read up on swastikas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika).
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Some of the people in this thread are lucky I'm not a GM or a Moderator, cause I would ban you only for such childish/ignorant/idiotic/whatever support or protection of in-game racism. If you find such cases funny, basically any racial insult, well then, you must be either dumb enough not to have even a basic idea of worlds history or just simply a bitch in real life. I keep repeating this over and over again, racism is a crime, if you doubt that, find any educated enough German and ask him what does he and his all nation think about that, I'm sure you'll learn something new for yourself. Racism is one of those mistakes the humanity should not repeat. If your family was lucky enough not to be involved into WW2 then I'm glad for you, although I feel sorry for you being so foolish and uneducated to support such ideas.
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Race wars are stupid, but people are entitled to their own opinion, just don't get other people involved in your ignorance.
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In most cases racist are just morons who failed in real life and now have to compensate it in a game by trolling and calling other people names. And give stupid excuses. Why don't you people just stop caring about nationality of players? Seriously, WHY do you a give a **** where some player was born?
Exactly. It's not like I don't like Russians but mostly all what they can say in english is "fuck USA" or "you nazi". Anyway, insults give the game more wasteland feel. Wasteland is nothing like today's world.
You talk about players, not about their characters. It's not roleplaying but a lack of manners. How things like "I rape your mama you stupid polacke" adds to the wasteland feel? It destroys the feel completely. I wish there was more in-game wasteland "racism" - roleplaying hatred of ghouls, mutants, tribals, "people from south", anything that fits with Fallout storyline. But what you talk about is not California wasteland language, it's some social ghetto language from real XX/XXI century. So keep this talk for primitives from your real life neighborhood, don't bring it here because you don't add anything to the game that would have any meaningful value.
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I would like (if at all possible) by a member of the Fonline team to also expain "hostile language" from the game rules section.
Are curse words hostile language? And to what degree? Should I call a GM if someone says "fuck you"?
Is saying retard a "racist" or "hostile" remark since it refers to the mentally or physically handicapped in a derogatory way?
If somebody tells me "that was so gay" does it fall under any of the above categories since it is used in an offensive way towards an act that the offender finds to resemble the behaviour of a homosexual?
Is "stupid idiot" a hostile remark?
How about if they use a foreign language which I dont understand but suspect they are being aggressively hostile? Shall I report them then?
Lastly, if you dont accept "our word" would a post with screenshots work? Or the only way to get an offender is if you happen to catch him on the act?
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If someone never roleplayed, always talk in game out of character about people from real life, stats, game mechanics etc. who do you think does he calls a "retard", "fag" etc? Yes it is hostile speech directed towards other players and has nothing to do with so called wasteland feel.
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Jovanka is totally right here, and just the fact that this is a such a big discussion at all, says something.
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I would like (if at all possible) by a member of the Fonline team to also expain "hostile language" from the game rules section.
Are curse words hostile language? And to what degree? Should I call a GM if someone says "fuck you"?
Is saying retard a "racist" or "hostile" remark since it refers to the mentally or physically handicapped in a derogatory way?
If somebody tells me "that was so gay" does it fall under any of the above categories since it is used in an offensive way towards an act that the offender finds to resemble the behaviour of a homosexual?
Is "stupid idiot" a hostile remark?
How about if they use a foreign language which I dont understand but suspect they are being aggressively hostile? Shall I report them then?
Lastly, if you dont accept "our word" would a post with screenshots work? Or the only way to get an offender is if you happen to catch him on the act?
I've read all of your post carefully and I didn't understand your motivation, although I have some variants:
1) You're just one of those idiots that like opposing the society and social norms cause you like drawing attention this way (which you most likely lack in RL)
2) You're ignorant to other people and have zero history knowledge.
3) You're just bored and want to see how many posts you need to get a +% speech.
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You are close with 1 and 3.
Also include there the fact that I like southpark and follow the motto that if you allow for one thing then you should allow everything. I dont suggest that there should be NO punishment for racism (though in my opinion we should involve ourselves with serious racism and not silly just talking internet racism) but that if there IS punishment for racism and foul language then it should be for everyone and not just for those we (you, me, the devs etch) like but every aspect of it.
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OMG such a flame! I think this game has more pressing matters to discuss and anyways bullshit costs nothing as it is worth even racist one. (not like brahmin shit which is precious commodity)
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Ghosthack is right. Let alone that we HAVE such a big thread of discussion (and it's not the first one) shows something about some individuals of our playerbase. Jovanka had some good points in her last posts, Bulldog too.
No one has something against it if you stand in Redding or wherever and tell the local sherrif "that mutants are fucking stupid", or your character doesnt want to travel to Necropolis because there are "the stinking ghouls" or such. There is no need nor a neccesarity to yell "fucking polack" "I rape your mother" and other immature shit on one each other and I think I will handle such things in the next time much harsher and will look more for that.
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I see... we will be übercorrect, like whole Europe... even if I hate nazis and racism and any kind of discrimination, I dont understand those "inquisitors" who needs to punish everyone, censore everything and enforce every little rule or law, even if it is not necessary...
as already mentioned by some other people, if you feel insulted so much by some cursing kids, there is something wrong with your self-esteem...
I quit this discussion with this very last post, because it makes me sick...
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If someone never roleplayed, always talk in game out of character about people from real life, stats, game mechanics etc. who do you think does he calls a "retard", "fag" etc? Yes it is hostile speech directed towards other players and has nothing to do with so called wasteland feel.
Those avatars are the players ingame so yes of course its directed at them/whoever, there are humans in Fallout 1 and 2, there are:
Retards, racists, genocidal maniacs etc...
So saying such vulgar words don't exist in a Wasteland as does in RL, where law is ungoverned except by whoever has a gun or knows how to use one better is completely ... hmm retarded?
BTW, notice how the devs and GMs are ignoring the constant trolling remarks of Bulldog just because "He is anti-racsist" calling people trolls and idiots and such which for anyone else would immediately be given a "Shut up or ban" Sticker most likely.
Your lucky to have such a playerbase that wouldn't ultimately quit because of the extreme challenges as more than 90% of the at least "Generaly well-off people who can afford computers" population are complete pussies who wouldn't last in this game for 5 minutes because of constant-death or greifing of other players or racial slurs etc.... It shows toughness, and loyalty to the game "for the most part" anyways...
As said before... I don't have a problem with racism, it shouldn't be bannable unless continuosly harrassing and should just deal with it like every other player who' been killed be a russian or polish dude.... or anyone else ;)
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Those avatars are the players ingame so yes of course its directed at them/whoever, there are humans in Fallout 1 and 2, there are:
Retards, racists, genocidal maniacs etc...
For the 142948295th and LAST time: Racism playing a character in a fallout world (racism towards mutants, ghouls etc) is allowed and welcomed if played well. Don't you get that there is a difference between that thing and insulting players on a personal not in character manner?
I can show it to you, but I can't understand it for you, that's your job.
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For the 142948295th and LAST time: Racism playing a character in a fallout world (racism towards mutants, ghouls etc) is allowed and welcomed if played well. Don't you get that there is a difference between that thing and insulting players on a personal not in character manner?
I can show it to you, but I can't understand it for you, that's your job.
So... If a player is acting gay... thats the only time I can call him stupid faggot? And is racism only meant for ghouls and mutants? Because no one can be ghouls and mutants... so you just contradicted yourself... Whats the point in calling some npc mutant a big green sasquatch or ("troll" anyone? :D)
Btw thx for ignoring the rest of my points...
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Russians are the ones that happen to kill me, not mutants.
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People could just roleplay irradiated/mutated humans too. ::)
You can call your slave a "fucking stinking ghoul" too.
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You still think Fonline is about roleplaying? I mean standing in a circle and typing silly messages. Leave roleplaying to LARPs. All roleplaying you can get here is burst in the face.
btw. I'm glad Izual and Jovanka aren't GMs anymore. Maybe they'll stop posting such bullshit on forums they used to. :D
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Yep, Fallout had never something to do with Roleplaying. ::)
I suggest you shouldn't write in that topic anymore.
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People could just roleplay irradiated/mutated humans too. ::)
You can call your slave a "fucking stinking ghoul" too.
I would just throw on a green suit and roleplay in real life because if we're supposed to pretend in a game (Which since its a RPG ok to a extent BUT) which is suppose to have all the imagination and immersion to fit such a playstyle doesn't exist how the fuck are we gonna roleplay a mutant or ghoul!??!??!???!
Yeah I could also call that bald trapper a eggheaded cunt skinhead.... woopdy freakin doo where does he reply with a fuck you and a give you a busted lip?
(I would .. maybe do it in RL if I wouldn't have been arrested for harrassment.... plus maybe die from 10 bullets in the FACE! xD but thats what games are for...)
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I pity your lack of imagination.
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btw. I'm glad Izual and Jovanka aren't GMs anymore. Maybe they'll stop posting such bullshit on forums they used to. :D
:/... I resigned from GM team to be able to write more bullshit in forums.
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:/... I resigned from GM team to be able to write more bullshit in forums.
Why did you resign, if you don't mind my asking?
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I pity your lack of imagination.
Pfft, I'm a Habitual Daydreamer, sure its a real bitch in class but I can imagine real life events and actually participate in them.... even though I have no control over them... And they're not all nice... But fuck I don't even need video games I just play them because they're one of the few "Fun" things I can do without going back to Lalala freaking land every second of the day.
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Why did you resign, if you don't mind my asking?
For very personal reasons ;p And that's not the proper thread to talk about it.
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Yep, Fallout had never something to do with Roleplaying. ::)
I suggest you shouldn't write in that topic anymore.
So first you say it's no longer a Fallout but a Fonline and then you say opposite?
:/... I resigned from GM team to be able to write more bullshit in forums.
No, I meant now you will get opportunity to play as normal player. You will have occasion to enjoy all the cooldowns and stuff.
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Man, I'm playing as a normal player for... Almost two years, now. And you?
Oh and - I enjoy the cooldowns. And I enjoy the lack of namecolorizing. And I enjoy the low travel speed on worldmap, despite I don't have a car. And I enjoy actually many things in this game, which is why I play it and why i'm posting on this forum.
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How can you enjoy a cooldown ?
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You can watch p0rn during waiting for example :>
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Way to derail a thread. Now that everyone unleashed it's inner fury and everything has been said, this one sleeps now.
Locked.
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This abomination of a thread shall rot in closed suggestions.