I think we should let Jovanka respond.
I think we should let Jovanka respond.
Recently the community has been saying "oh the devs suck." and "the devs are running this into the ground." so perhaps an easy fix is to post what will be worked on or implemented in the news section. Then listen to community input about planned features and actually take that into account.Check this:
http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/board,9.0.html
has any else noticed ever since jovanka became a "dev," the game started to become lame, boring, and no fun at all.
Also don't forget dying
I'm just assuming though
We mention things that we work on or are todo on the forum sometimes.
But perhaps the post I quoted is a good example why this doesn't happen more...~
I'm afraid we would spend most of the time reading personal attacks, nonsense flames
and even outright insults than any useful feedback about upcoming stuff. If you would like
forum to be a place that has more influence, we would have to ban people like STALKER,
who don't act in civil manner and hijack discussion by attacking people instead of commenting
the ideas.
If you just posted what was being worked on without input that would be fine as well.This, by itself, would do more than a million player-influenced changes; the silence is defening, and scary.
Recently the community has been saying "oh the devs suck." and "the devs are running this into the ground."
People say this since we released in 2009. :)
Additionally, Jovanka is right. As soon as we are posting something, someone will jump out of the bush, throwing around insults. And it is not my hobby to read insults.
(which you don't have to do anyways),
We mention things that we work on or things that are todo on the forum sometimes.I can't wait for this bad boy (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,27353.0.html)to get implemented and see you complaining again how there was no feedback.
But perhaps the post I quoted is a good example why this doesn't happen more...~
I'm afraid we would spend most of the time reading personal attacks, nonsense flames
and even outright insults than any useful feedback about upcoming stuff.
I can't wait for this bad boy (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,27353.0.html)to get implemented and see you complaining again how there was no feedback.
Your existence as a 2238 developer is an abuse in human reasoning.
Funny that you brought it up, distress thread shows how low quality commentsLow quality ideas get you low quality comments.
you can get here and you are one of the best examples right on the first page:
Thanks for your input.
Low quality ideas get you low quality comments.
So you can't control yourself if someone writes a message that you can't agree with?Of course not, that's why the forums have the reply button my little turbo farmer.
So you can't control yourself if someone writes a message that you can't agree with?Can you?
People say this since we released in 2009. :)
Additionally, Jovanka is right. As soon as we are posting something, someone will jump out of the bush, throwing around insults. And it is not my hobby to read insults.
Can you?
So davrot how can you make remarks about devs ignoring feedback if you yourself aren't able to provide it properly?I never said I provided feedback, there are other people in that thread expressing their displeasure.
Additionally, Jovanka is right. As soon as we are posting something, someone will jump out of the bush, throwing around insults. And it is not my hobby to read insults.
People throwing insults and shitposting irrelevant stuff are asking for a ban and should also get one.
I think what Starner is proposing is a good idea to try out. Talking about these things just need some rules and banhammer for braking the rules.
insults? where? shitposting? where?
give this man honorary membership in the new closed forum!I just can't wait to see those beautiful changes that will come from such closed paradise of jovanka and her followers ;)
I just can't wait to see those beautiful changes that will come from such closed paradise of jovanka and her followers ;)
Just picked up the worst ones I found. These posts didn't bring anything to the discussion.(https://i.imgur.com/SCrCvEb.png)
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Recently the community has been saying "oh the devs suck."Might have as well stopped reading the thread here. As far as I can tell, people have been shouting that for about 3 or 4 years now.
People throwing insults and shitposting irrelevant stuff are asking for a ban and should also get one.
Absolutely true. I would hammer the ban button like nobody else, but sadly many peeps are able to hide their insults under harmless looking posts and as soon as we ban & delete, the next ones will come and yell how we simply delete and ban everything we don't like to read.
Though, keep in mind: We are already deleting really shitty posts like madmen. The junkboard is like a huge brain tumor already. Reading it makes you bleed out of your eyes and ears.
The active devs are - as far as I know - mainly trying to fix broken features and not add huge new ones.
which is funny considering that the exact opposite has happened this session - huge gameplay features being implemented without no warning whatsoever.
Well, let me jump back a few years in time: People were posting so many suggestions and often the same, that we just couldn't read every single post and provide feedback of whatever kind. It's a lot work- at least as much as working on the actual game, I'd say. We did read a lot, but it was / is simply impossible to answer every suggestion thread in detail.
I am not saying we handled it good, but there were only so and so many things we could do per day. It simply flooded the gates. In the end, it would have required a special person who would do nothing else than reading everything and transforming it into a list with good overview.
"As far as I know"
The only "huge gameplay feature" I remember right now is idling, the rest was changes to existing system, I think. Not 100% sure right now.
The active devs RIGHT NOW are - as far as I know - mainly trying to fix broken features and not add huge new ones.
listening only to people who tell you how awesome you are might be good for a therapy session, but it won't help you in making better development decisions.
Another hilarious thing about this idea is that I suggested something like that with the players who'd be allowed to participate in such a closed forum being selected by the community via a popular vote
I don't think I ever wrote about a place for yes-sayers. I meant a board for people who instead
of indulging in personal attacks (like you) give their feedback about features which are getting
implemented or planned by criticizing them in a polite, and more importantly - rational manner.
Actually, I'd like you to point out a single instance of me posting a personal attack without a clearly defined and game-related line of argumentation to back it up.
This is the problem I mentioned earlier in this thread. A few people are able to hide their sniping in "polite" looking posts, which makes it hard for us to issue warnings / bans without looking like a dictatorship.
Are you sure you aren't mistaking being polite for approving of your actions or even some of you being on the devteam in general? Besides, there were numerous instances of devteam members being downright rude in their posts, what are you planning to do about that? Obviously you can ban anyone you want, but I think even some of those 20-odd regulars left might join the "sniping" crowd if that were to happen... and it'd be rather heartbreaking to ban the last few remaining supporters of your game, don't you think?
Absolutely true. I would hammer the ban button like nobody else, but sadly many peeps are able to hide their insults under harmless looking posts and as soon as we ban & delete, the next ones will come and yell how we simply delete and ban everything we don't like to read.
Though, keep in mind: We are already deleting really shitty posts like madmen. The junkboard is like a huge brain tumor... Reading it makes you bleed out of your eyes and ears.
Anyway, I think everything worthwhile was said already now. The forum needs harsher moderation, the devs need to write more about what they are going to do and the forum folks need to tune down their insulting. If this place isn't fun to read in, then it isn't fun to work on the game and if it isn't fun to work on it, it's like a second job with shitty payment... nobody wants to do that.
and the forum folks need to tune down their insulting.
I would hammer the ban button like nobody else, but sadly many peeps are able to hide their insults under harmless looking posts and as soon as we ban & delete, the next ones will come and yell how we simply delete and ban everything we don't like to read.
The forum needs harsher moderation, the devs need to write more about what they are going to do and the forum folks need to tune down their insulting.
I fully support banning whichever accounts here are irritating the game staff.
So ban those too! Look man, you have to get rid of the riff-raff or the environment only gets trashier.
Shit shoveling is an antiquated and overrated task, with little to no playable value. The experience gained from such a task is so small an amount that it can hardly be even considered for the purpose to which it was created, and the garnered caps are equally as laughable.
Shit Shoveling Sux
how about the game staff irritating players?
http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,28895.15.html
ok, i won't come back, i promise. and a promise is a promise.