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Title: I need a m60 build
Post by: Mike Crosser on January 14, 2013, 12:49:58 am
Since I suck at the character maker I figured I better just post here.
Nothing special just a no drug m60 build for farming NCR army and nothing else.

Any tips are welcome.
 
EDIT:I forgot to say,it needs to be TB,my bad
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Marko on January 14, 2013, 01:19:21 am
TB or RT? Solo or group hunts? Do you need to be a mule too to loot gear? You like to rush in close or stand closer to max range from target? Are you okay with doing more normal damage and less criticals...or do you want max crits at the cost of something else? Do you want to bring along any followers like a BG merc or human companion?

Please prioritize these for me: crits, shear bursting damage, damage resistance, Sight.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Mike Crosser on January 14, 2013, 01:31:08 am
TB or RT? Solo or group hunts? Do you need to be a mule too to loot gear? You like to rush in close or stand closer to max range from target? Are you okay with doing more normal damage and less criticals...or do you want max crits at the cost of something else? Do you want to bring along any followers like a BG merc or human companion?

Please prioritize these for me: crits, shear bursting damage, damage resistance, Sight.
Ok where to begin
Solo
Not exactly,average CW should do it(about 100)
More normal damage
No followers,no mercs

I hope that helps.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Marko on January 14, 2013, 01:35:24 am
Tag Big Guns, Doctor and First Aid then? Or do you want OD instead of FA and use stims?
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Roachor on January 14, 2013, 01:50:17 am
what is a tb build going to do with fa or doc?
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on January 14, 2013, 01:54:03 am
I would say this one, you can switch out toughness for bonus move so you can have the extra 2 moving hex
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: shenbei8 on January 14, 2013, 01:56:48 am
7 7 10 1 3 10 1

pick bonehead and loner。

Big gun , science , od


Make big gun skill to at least 180%, rest sp up to u.


So this build reach level 24, bg skill 180%, u will still have 101 free sp.

Well, I think I should give u perks that u should select in my builds.

Bonus move, toughness , even tougher, action boy X 2 , life giver X 2, BOFR.


Good luck, solider !
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Marko on January 14, 2013, 02:08:27 am
8.6.10.1.4.10.1, Fast Metabolism + Bonehead

HP 197+, CW 90+, Sight 38 (Weapon Range 35), 12 AP, Big Guns 216

Awareness, Adrenaline Rush @3, SnP @6, ET @9, BRD @12, BRD+ @15, BRoF, Action Boy x2

According to the planner, BG 216 will give you 95% chance to hit a CA2 target at 33 hexes, 92% at 34 hexes, and 88% at 35 hexes, the weapon's maximum range. Your Sight will be just beyond that. Should be able to dish out 68-88 points of normal damage per turn with an M60. ST 8 is overkill for the weapon, but will boost CW and hit points just a tad.

Author: Marko, started playing only 1.5 years ago, so try this build at own risk! lol

Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Crovax on January 14, 2013, 02:16:25 am
Isn't SnP pretty much useless without luck or crit perks? I'm not too sure you need brd's either Personally I don't use them for m60 builds. High strength is nice for looting CA, and unless u wanna get owned everytime you encounter a player in turn based I would recommend a higher perception
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: shenbei8 on January 14, 2013, 02:18:13 am
8.6.10.1.4.10.1, Fast Metabolism + Bonehead

HP 197+, CW 90+, Sight 38 (Weapon Range 35), 12 AP, Big Guns 216

Awareness, Adrenaline Rush @3, SnP @6, ET @9, BRD @12, BRD+ @15, BRoF, Action Boy x2

According to the planner, BG 216 will give you 95% chance to hit a CA2 target at 33 hexes, 92% at 34 hexes, and 88% at 35 hexes, the weapon's maximum range. Your Sight will be just beyond that. Should be able to dish out 68-88 points of normal damage per turn with an M60. ST 8 is overkill for the weapon, but will boost CW and hit points just a tad.

Author: Marko, started playing only 1.5 years ago, so try this build at own risk! lol




Marko, u build is cool,  but for Pve alt, we won't shoot Npc from max hex, especially for Bg, we will try to 1hex burst them. So bg skil no need to be 216%,180-199% should be enough .
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Marko on January 14, 2013, 02:32:54 am
Hey good point about the gun skill. My build allows him high hit chance at max range if he needs it, but yeah if he's going to dive in head first every time and try 1-hexing NCR Army soldiers solo, then maybe swap out a BRD for Toughness. Maybe it's possible to go with IN 2 and put that point into PE, then use cigs for PE 8. cigs are the easiest drug to get in large batches of 40 per run, for free.

wiki says this about SnP:
"Spray and Pray reduces to zero both critical chance and critical power modifiers of one's target's protective covering whenever you attack him/her with either a single unaimed shot or a burst."

From that i get it's a perfect perk for fighting guys in strong armor. Experts can confirm or correct me please
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Crovax on January 14, 2013, 02:38:22 am
Yes but it doesn't change the fact that you only have 1% chance to score a critical on them AFAIK.

Also I like to tag something like throw as a 3rd skill since it gives me and option to attack with a crippled arm and FA and doc are unusable in TB combat, and throw is nice because it requires little skill to be effective with grenades. With 3 intelligence you can have something like 180 BG, 120 throw and 150 OD but i would check it in planner to be sure.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Marko on January 14, 2013, 02:49:42 am
+1 to the Throwing idea. With IN 3, you can get BG 180, Throwing 120, and OD up to 132. Drop Bonehead and get it over 150 i assume. But i can't do anything about the no-crits problem. He said he pref'd more normal dmg so i went with that.

UPDATE: Drop Bonehead and get OD to 150 and Throwing to 136.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: shenbei8 on January 14, 2013, 03:00:11 am
Yes but it doesn't change the fact that you only have 1% chance to score a critical on them AFAIK.

Also I like to tag something like throw as a 3rd skill since it gives me and option to attack with a crippled arm and FA and doc are unusable in TB combat, and throw is nice because it requires little skill to be effective with grenades. With 3 intelligence you can have something like 180 BG, 120 throw and 150 OD but i would check it in planner to be sure.



He needs Bg, that enough, u select throwing, and u don't have 25% critical chance, and critical perks, it sucks seriously. Actually u just make a professional BG PVE for him. That's all. If he interested in professional thrower, then make for him.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Crovax on January 14, 2013, 03:10:16 am
Heh I have killed up to 3 people in 1 turn with 4 plasma nades and using 1 luck you don't need crits for them at all, just need to know when to use them.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: shenbei8 on January 14, 2013, 03:44:48 am
Heh I have killed up to 3 people in 1 turn with 4 plasma nades and using 1 luck you don't need crits for them at all, just need to know when to use them.

Well, cool,  but he needs Farming alt,he doesn't want to be PK. Furthermore , everytime you go farming u have to bring m60 and plasma nades, waste carry weight. And another problem is farming with plasma nades, not worth.

Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Crovax on January 14, 2013, 04:16:52 am
I never said it was a must it's a personal preference but i think the nades are way better for farming unity and the m60 for other things.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Wind_Drift on January 14, 2013, 04:29:40 am
+1 on dropping SnP. That slot would be better used for an additional life giver or BRD perk.

Crit chance is way too low for it to really help.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Roachor on January 14, 2013, 05:03:07 am
Snp is only good for burst/nade crit builds, even then you are better off taking even more crits or better crits instead. Brd and snp are useless for an m60 build.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Marko on January 14, 2013, 05:43:00 am
So no BRD but no reason provided. No SnP even though our only printed resource ties no connection to the shooter's Luck or crit chance. Okay. So i'll make the assumption...no BRD because M60 is only a 10-round burst. Thus a revised build:

8.6.10.1.4.10.1, Fast Metabolism + Bloody Mess

HP 248, CW 101, Sight 38 (Weapon Range 35), 12 AP, Big Guns 180, Throwing 136, OD 150

Adrenaline Rush @3, Tough @6, ET @9, Action Boy @12, AB @15, BRoF @18, Lifegiver x2.

Support Perks: Awareness, Gecko Skinning, Snakeater, Cautious Nature, Ranger, Scout, Explorer.

You'll travel smoother on the map. Just don't expect to be accurate from this weapon's max range.

Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Rain on January 14, 2013, 06:02:40 am
Since I suck at the character maker I figured I better just post here.
Nothing special just a no drug m60 build for farming NCR army and nothing else.

Any tips are welcome.
 
EDIT:I forgot to say,it needs to be TB,my bad


You better team up buddy,i meet an average of 20 people per nite in prime time.Alone is certain death unless you are very skilled and lucky.

Sec 8,hungarians,russians,ncr idlers,average of 6 people per team,it s very hard to make it alone
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Roachor on January 14, 2013, 08:42:16 am
So no BRD but no reason provided. No SnP even though our only printed resource ties no connection to the shooter's Luck or crit chance. Okay. So i'll make the assumption...no BRD because M60 is only a 10-round burst. Thus a revised build:

8.6.10.1.4.10.1, Fast Metabolism + Bloody Mess

HP 248, CW 101, Sight 38 (Weapon Range 35), 12 AP, Big Guns 180, Throwing 136, OD 150

Adrenaline Rush @3, Tough @6, ET @9, Action Boy @12, AB @15, BRoF @18, Lifegiver x2.

Support Perks: Awareness, Gecko Skinning, Snakeater, Cautious Nature, Ranger, Scout, Explorer.

You'll travel smoother on the map. Just don't expect to be accurate from this weapon's max range.

Spray and pray removes armour crit chance and severity reduction, what don't you understand about requiring crits to be possible for that to have any effect?
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Bego on January 14, 2013, 09:29:02 am
If I'm correct, crit death animations deteriorate armors significantly, so I'd drop bloody mess as well.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: T-888 on January 14, 2013, 11:19:51 am
Marko, u build is cool,  but for Pve alt, we won't shoot Npc from max hex, especially for Bg, we will try to 1hex burst them. So bg skil no need to be 216%,180-199% should be enough .

Sufficient amount of weapon skill helps if you do encounter hostile players.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Besmrtnik on January 14, 2013, 12:08:33 pm
(losi su to buldevi neznaju nista napravi ovako)

7 6 10 1 5 10 1

pack rat
th1
th2
ab
ab
brof
lg
lg

boost bg up to 180...
and its good char for farming and it has decent cw
I use similar but i hunt hubpatrol which is quite easy, i never died i rara meet players and its immposeble to die

other skills are up to you you can use tag doctor to fix your cripled body parts or boost OD if you hate spam enchounters
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: -Max Payne- on January 14, 2013, 04:18:53 pm
Take drugs if you farm alone. (Jet,psyscho, nuka, buffout, cigarettes, and sure chem resistant)

I have a big gun 2 shoot, with 60 damage res, 197 hp, 14 actions points, 2 BRD, and it works very nice.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Tomowolf on January 14, 2013, 05:12:13 pm
Take drugs if you farm alone. (Jet,psyscho, nuka, buffout, cigarettes, and sure chem resistant)

I have a big gun 2 shoot, with 60 damage res, 197 hp, 14 actions points, 2 BRD, and it works very nice.
Farm drugs to farm equipment? That's so wastefull, better use another build and TB tactics (hiding behind textures etc.).
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: -Max Payne- on January 14, 2013, 07:04:48 pm
Farm drugs to farm equipment? That's so wastefull, better use another build and TB tactics (hiding behind textures etc.).

Drugs if for me very easy to find. Nuka and cigarettes are craftable, buffout is very easy to buy, and jet very easy to farm it.

And the shit equipement who i find in ncr army encounter ( hunting rfile, fnfal, ammunitions) can be trade to drugs.

Fonline is wastefull xD

And you already need the textures to farm them, you cant kill 10-16 ncr army alone in face to face.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Mike Crosser on January 14, 2013, 07:06:03 pm
I said no drugs.
Because I don't have the time/money/nerves/items/chars to farm/craft/steal/buy them.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: -Max Payne- on January 14, 2013, 07:18:45 pm
Lol sure, i have see that you want take drugs. It was just a suggestion.

Then i can propose you:

ST 8
PE 5
EN 10
Ch 1
AG 10
Int 4
LK 3

Brof, action boy *2, lifegiver, brd, event tougher, adrenaline rush and even more criticals.

You will have 2 turn, 13 critic chance, a good resistance (min 50) 200 in big guns, 120 fisrt aid, and 71 doctor, or outdoorsman as you wish.

LK 1 sucks, if you dropped your weapon and lost your next turn with a fucking encounter with 10 ncr army, good luck!
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Mike Crosser on January 14, 2013, 07:21:13 pm
Thanks,but I think I'll go  for otd instead of FA.It is tb after all.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Keksz on January 14, 2013, 08:07:00 pm
U'll need moar PE if u wanna use it in TB :)

Ohh and....
Lol sure, i have see that you want take drugs. It was just a suggestion.

Then i can propose you:

ST 8
PE 5
EN 10
Ch 1
AG 10
Int 4
LK 3

Brof, action boy *2, lifegiver, brd, event tougher, adrenaline rush and even more criticals.

You will have 2 turn, 13 critic chance, a good resistance (min 50) 200 in big guns, 120 fisrt aid, and 71 doctor, or outdoorsman as you wish.

LK 1 sucks, if you dropped your weapon and lost your next turn with a fucking encounter with 10 ncr army, good luck!

....XDDDD
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Bego on January 14, 2013, 11:45:51 pm
Lol sure, i have see that you want take drugs. It was just a suggestion.

Then i can propose you:

ST 8
PE 5
EN 10
Ch 1
AG 10
Int 4
LK 3

Brof, action boy *2, lifegiver, brd, event tougher, adrenaline rush and even more criticals.

You will have 2 turn, 13 critic chance, a good resistance (min 50) 200 in big guns, 120 fisrt aid, and 71 doctor, or outdoorsman as you wish.

LK 1 sucks, if you dropped your weapon and lost your next turn with a fucking encounter with 10 ncr army, good luck!

Please, please tell me you're not serious...

EDIT: OK, this is my take at the build... Its supposed to be for farming, as well to be able to fight back at other players...
SPECIAL 6 9 10 1 3 10 1
Fast metabolism, loner (?)
Bonus move, strong back, even tougher, action boy, action boy, bonus rate of fire, lifegiver, lifegiver+
I guess you could switch even tougher for earlier sequence, and I personally would not take strong back for my character (I never farm alone), but since CW 100 seems to be requirement what the hell, take it.

BG 200, rest on OD... I guess you could tag Throwing as well, to make your leveling as much painless and cheap as possible.. Or you could tag Doc, but if youre crippled in TB fight, youre most likely dead already.

I know you said "NO DRUGZ" but with this build you can also use cigarettes to gain PE +1 and get better sight and sequence... In PvE it might not matter much but if a player comes in your enco it may be one thing that will save your ass.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Marko on January 15, 2013, 05:21:09 am
Mike, as you can see, asking for build help gets many varied responses. The replies help refine it, making the forum a valuable tool...a tool that is often abused...which is why i am in favor of eliminating the forum lol.

Okay i want to say seriously, plan to use cigs at least. It doesn't take any caps or farming or alts or hardly any time to get a ton of cigs crafted. Try it and you'll see how easy it is to boost your PE  +1 any time - just need a lighter (cheap). Go to the tobacco farm down south, pluck those tobacco leaves, use that little table there and you'll have 40 cigs in a short time. Do that a few nights next week and you'll have a stack of cigs so big you'll want to hand them out as gifts to friends.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Wind_Drift on January 15, 2013, 05:29:03 am
Mike, as you can see, asking for build help gets many varied responses. The replies help refine it, making the forum a valuable tool...a tool that is often abused...which is why i am in favor of eliminating the forum lol.

Forum is almost purely abuse tool.

Meta gaming bad.  *grunt*
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Kascin on January 15, 2013, 04:56:23 pm
Well this is the kind of character I would make


And I want to explain some little things:
- 8 Perception is not a mistake, this give you a better sequence; so this is your turn before lots of ennemies (including players with 6 Per big guns characters)
- Man of steel to lower ennemies criticals, because the character has only 1 luck. But if you feel lucky take Lifegiver instead
- 1 Intelligence is enought for this kind of character, but it's a bit boring to level it (you have Bonus Rate of Fire only level 24), so I prefer to have 2 Int and waste some skillpoints in First Aid
- First Aid is interesting to heal your character once the fight is finished; I like it, but it's not compulsory
- I have chosen the trait Fast Shot only because this give you +5 damage (per attack, not per round...) and other traits are useless. But not compulsory too.
- Strong back allow you to carry more (obviously), but if you prefer you can take Lifegiver instead

And about Bonus Ranged Damage, it's not really useless but not really usefull too with a M60, as this weapon has only 10 rounds. This perk is more interesting with a Minigun or an Avenger.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: -Max Payne- on January 15, 2013, 05:39:03 pm
Please, please tell me you're not serious...

EDIT: OK, this is my take at the build... Its supposed to be for farming, as well to be able to fight back at other players...
SPECIAL 6 9 10 1 3 10 1
Fast metabolism, loner (?)
Bonus move, strong back, even tougher, action boy, action boy, bonus rate of fire, lifegiver, lifegiver+
I guess you could switch even tougher for earlier sequence, and I personally would not take strong back for my character (I never farm alone), but since CW 100 seems to be requirement what the hell, take it.

BG 200, rest on OD... I guess you could tag Throwing as well, to make your leveling as much painless and cheap as possible.. Or you could tag Doc, but if youre crippled in TB fight, youre most likely dead already.

I know you said "NO DRUGZ" but with this build you can also use cigarettes to gain PE +1 and get better sight and sequence... In PvE it might not matter much but if a player comes in your enco it may be one thing that will save your ass.

Lol 9 PE + earlier sequence for a build who shoot at 35 range max yeah yeah!! And 6 ST for a char who must have min carry weight 100, you will have some problems too loot. Ok you take strong back, but you have no BRD, no critic, on ca mk2 you will use more ammo that you will loot, so it's shit. You never have farm alone, i farm alone, VC, Bos, etc... and without damage you will die. And your char have 0 resistance.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: -Max Payne- on January 15, 2013, 05:43:53 pm
U'll need moar PE if u wanna use it in TB :)

Ohh and....
....XDDDD

Instead of just say shit, propose a better char then.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Bego on January 15, 2013, 05:54:19 pm
No, no youre right, PE 5 is absoultely perfect! Magnificent! I take it as youre a masochist and like to get outsequenced by a molerat.  ;D

Oh, and btw, 1 BRD for m60? You serious, dude?
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: -Max Payne- on January 15, 2013, 06:00:14 pm
5 pe + cigs = 32 range and for Farm NCR ARMY you will use the rocks on the maps, but if you have a m60 who shoot at 50 exes, 9 PE why not.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: -Max Payne- on January 15, 2013, 06:02:56 pm
No, no youre right, PE 5 is absoultely perfect! Magnificent! I take it as youre a masochist and like to get outsequenced by a molerat.  ;D

Oh, and btw, 1 BRD for m60? You serious, dude?

+ When you farm ncr army with a big guner you will first fuck the m60 at 1 exe, so you will shoot the patrol at very short range, i think you have never farm ncr army.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Bego on January 15, 2013, 06:05:45 pm
Maybe its not about field of view but about sequence? You heard of sequence, right?
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: -Max Payne- on January 15, 2013, 06:12:12 pm
Maybe its not about field of view but about sequence? You heard of sequence, right?

Oh sure, but 9 pe for a big gun is too much, that's good for a sniper, a big gun dont need so much PE. May be we wiil organize a farm party together and we will see =)
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Bego on January 15, 2013, 06:19:10 pm
Maybe =)

But I wasnt actually thinking high PE weapon-wise... Each 1 PE gives you 2 sequence, and with higher sequence you get the turn earlier. For farming alone, lower PE may do you good, but what if a player comes in your enco and has significantly higher sequence than you?

I guess my problem is being paranoid, because every time I go farming I expect somebody to come in, looking for my blood =)
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: -Max Payne- on January 15, 2013, 06:34:01 pm
Maybe =)

But I wasnt actually thinking high PE weapon-wise... Each 1 PE gives you 2 sequence, and with higher sequence you get the turn earlier. For farming alone, lower PE may do you good, but what if a player comes in your enco and has significantly higher sequence than you?

I guess my problem is being paranoid, because every time I go farming I expect somebody to come in, looking for my blood =)

Yes, but when you farm ncr army you stay on the middle on the map, near the spawn.It's not the same when you farm Vault city, you kill them may be with a burster at long range ( i farm then with burster fnfal 14 ap). Farming alone is risked, sure, if 2 or 3 pks are spawning, run or shoot xD. That's the biggest problem with farm. I farm with a car, it's very nice with a big guner, you will run around the car, Npcs follow you and have not much AP too shoot ^^
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: shenbei8 on January 16, 2013, 03:27:20 am
i think Mike Crosser still no idea what to do, do u?  :D
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Marko on January 16, 2013, 04:11:07 am
Spray and pray removes armour crit chance and severity reduction, what don't you understand about requiring crits to be possible for that to have any effect?

Okay it makes sense now. Thanks.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Rain on January 16, 2013, 10:08:45 am
I would say this one, you can switch out toughness for bonus move so you can have the extra 2 moving hex


This one is best possible.Lower your int to 5,wich is enough,for more perception.And don t forget to smoke before the fight.

With six per you won t be happy when some guys come in.

SOURCE: at least 10 lvl 24 tb characters.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Kascin on January 16, 2013, 11:10:52 am
Yeah but you forget one thing

Not exactly,average CW should do it(about 100)

And I don't think this build is good for farming solo:
- not enough Perception
- too much Outdoorman; sometimes this is boring to find encounters with my tb farming character and he has only 100% Outdoorman. Remember Hub Patrols and NCR Armies are in plains, so encounters are not frequent
- not enought Strength (and this make Weapon Handling useless)
- too much Intelligence, you only need to raise Big Gun, other skills are useless for TB Fighting

I'm not saying the build sucks (that wouldn't be true), just saying this build doesn't answer to Mike Crosser requirements
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Kool-Aid on January 16, 2013, 12:22:15 pm
Maybe make a BG/EW hybrid ?
I have a TB m60 junkie, and its kinda boring and annoying to rely solely on M60.
If you prefer an M60 build only however, take as much BRD as you can. In that case a BG/SG hybrid is pretty good too.
In any case you need 5/7 Strength, with or without Weapon handling. If you don't want OD get science and try to get it to 150 for dismantler. OD is good tho for cautious nature.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: greenthumb on January 16, 2013, 01:49:01 pm
i would try this build
http://www.nitue.net/#fcp/direct!id=7703&pass=lolo

it has 140 AC what is very useful in TB if you decide to escape from fight, also bonus move helps getting out with total 12AP+2AP. There is option to one burst each turn and move 8hexes each turn what will provide your enemies with 140% malus to chance to hit during whole fight. You got only 217hp what will be enough for farming most encounters. carry weight is 90.

*NOTE: 2nd trait should be BONEHEAD but it doesnt work in FCP.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: shenbei8 on January 16, 2013, 04:51:35 pm
i would try this build
http://www.nitue.net/#fcp/direct!id=7703&pass=lolo

it has 140 AC what is very useful in TB if you decide to escape from fight, also bonus move helps getting out with total 12AP+2AP. There is option to one burst each turn and move 8hexes each turn what will provide your enemies with 140% malus to chance to hit during whole fight. You got only 217hp what will be enough for farming most encounters. carry weight is 90.

*NOTE: 2nd trait should be BONEHEAD but it doesnt work in FCP.



well, High Ac PVE alt.     interesting.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Cyber Jesus on January 16, 2013, 08:46:21 pm
I have an AC character, and its not worth spending perks for it imo.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: greenthumb on January 17, 2013, 03:59:28 pm
@cyber :is your alt ranged or melee? is it RT or TB? is it troll,farmer,bomber?
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: shenbei8 on January 18, 2013, 03:51:04 am
is your alt ranged or melee? is it RT or TB? is it troll,farmer,bomber?


who do u talk to?   ??? ???
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: gauvaran on January 18, 2013, 04:23:39 am

who do u talk to?   ??? ???
Cyber Jesus ????
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: shenbei8 on January 18, 2013, 04:25:53 am
Cyber Jesus ????


maybe.
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: Cyber Jesus on January 18, 2013, 07:33:55 pm
@cyber :is your alt ranged or melee? is it RT or TB? is it troll,farmer,bomber?
Why does that matter? Its an hth troll with 140 AC. Spending so much perks for it is useless because I get hit almost every time I enter and start running, its like I don't have any AC at all(he originally had 220AC before the nerf).
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: kindwill on January 19, 2013, 06:49:38 am
I noticed that when farming with bg i mostly one hex npcs.
So why not take enough just to one hex npcs and put the rest in another weapon to shoot from afar too?
Just an idea.
Cheers!
Title: Re: I need a m60 build
Post by: greenthumb on January 19, 2013, 10:42:38 am
@cyber: AC has been nerfed, so i believe it is not anymore usabe for HTH, but if you gona burst enemy from 20-30 hexes, they will be unable to hit you(in TB), so they will be forced to run towards you, in TB its probably even more efficient, since they can move significantly less compared to you, you should be able to avoid shooting them in maybe first 3-5 turns, what will advance you extra 3-5 bursts from M60.