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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => General Game Discussion => Topic started by: Trokanis on February 05, 2012, 01:59:38 am
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Well as the title says, there isn't really any ore in the open mines. NCR or Junktown at least. I go by several times a real hour and maybe get one or two. Now I know that a strategy would be to sit in the mines doing nothing racing others for a few resources, but you guys constantly say this shouldn't be like WoW. This is just an observation not a gripe. We are here to help make the game better, still needs a little adjusting.
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check more north bro. kalamath mine is allways good. ncr and jt allways have nubs grinding the ore like its gold. also san fran mine is pretty good.
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Yeah, I agree. I was actually just talking about this with a friend earlier, I think it's a lot easier to mine now than it has been before, they should nerf it some again. Try Gecko, they always have plenty.
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Yeah, I agree. I was actually just talking about this with a friend earlier, I think it's a lot easier to mine now than it has been before, they should nerf it some again. Try Gecko, they always have plenty.
Hmmm... no idea who the friend was that you were talking to.... but I agree. Resource regen should be exactly halfway between what it is now and what it was immediately after wipe.
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LMAO yeah I'm sorry if you think going to an unguarded mine to get some resources that you're most likely going to be just giving away to the burster at the door is not a solution to the guarded mines not having the basic resources needed for game play. People camp the other mines, and people camp the higher mines, the issue will be the same, except at least at the lower mines you can probably keep the 1 or 2 metal parts worth of ore you managed to get while the campers were making their rounds.
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Well as the title says, there isn't really any ore in the open mines. NCR or Junktown at least.
Try SF's mine. It's guarded, has always some ore and is not that crowded like Junktown's mine.
Why do people stick to NCR like puppies, then cry there is not much to get? Weird.
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Also Klamaths mine is guarded.
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LMAO yeah I'm sorry if you think going to an unguarded mine to get some resources that you're most likely going to be just giving away to the burster at the door is not a solution to the guarded mines not having the basic resources needed for game play. People camp the other mines, and people camp the higher mines, the issue will be the same, except at least at the lower mines you can probably keep the 1 or 2 metal parts worth of ore you managed to get while the campers were making their rounds.
Given that there's no CD now, pks and camping are much less common than they were pre-wipe. I've done a lot of mining and very rarely had a problem. If I see anyone, it's typically another fellow unarmed bluesuit. Since there's no CD, most people don't see a reason to fight over it, or lose equipment trying to get it. Which is another reason why it should be spawned less. And I agree with Lon, halfway in between what it was in the beginning and what it is now would be a good level. I liked that you would have to somewhat rely on dismantling encounter items to get resources. Now, though it's more useful than last session, dismantling still isn't very efficient because resources are so easy to get.
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Try SF's mine. It's guarded, has always some ore and is not that crowded like Junktown's mine.
Why do people stick to NCR like puppies, then cry there is not much to get? Weird.
The reason, at least for me, it's that NCR has lots of people.
It's true that far away mines are usually full of ores, but they imply lots of travelling and being forever alone.
And if the population of fonline would rise, then those mines would be empty.
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The problem is that guy'll make an alt with 10 str and strong back and pack rat perk or take cow there and mine ALL ore inside.
I guess it is the only failure for now in new system.
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Mines have ores and mins. You just have to afk there for a while.
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Last time i wanted to get some ore i visited klamath's mine -2 ore, that small dot next to modoc 0, and gecko 2 ore inside 2 4 outside + a hammer ( someone got pked) + 1 sneaker almost got me, got bursted and did run away with 10 hp, simple crafting small guns or low tier ammo is a pain in the ass
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Last time i wanted to get some ore i visited klamath's mine -2 ore, that small dot next to modoc 0, and gecko 2 ore inside 2 4 outside + a hammer ( someone got pked) + 1 sneaker almost got me, got bursted and did run away with 10 hp, simple crafting small guns or low tier ammo is a pain in the ass
Have you tried it more than once? You have to remember that ore and mins are depleted by pile, so you have to check the whole mine. It's rare for me to leave Gecko without at least 20 of something, and it regens rather quickly. I've been mining up there since wipe, and the first time I've gotten pked there was yesterday when Dr. Parchir and his clowns were spawn camping. So either it was bad luck for you, or possibly the time of day that you go.
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I have checked every single pile of ore, on the other side getting minerals is quite easy, looks like it spawns quicker then the ore, crafting a de or any other low tier gun or even ammo since it needs mp too is troublesome, also Im not gonna run around the whole wasteland just to get 10 ore b/c there is some left in SF mine, dunno maybe U play at nights when most players are off thus the ore is waiting for you.
This is another thing i dont get, if its not really sadism then what it is. I can understand that They want to make crafting high tier ammo, armors and ammo more troublesome, and make people do it less often, but simple ore and minerals ? its not like someone is gonna destroy the trade system flooding it with shotguns or 10mm pistols -.-
the most funny thing is that its easier to pick fruits and craft anything and then sell - buy ammo and guns u need, than look for ore and craft it, belive me ...
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you can always craft bb gun and shoot mole rats in eyes xP
NCR is just worst pleace to settle down. I have my crafter tent near VC and i have no problems with getting all ore/minerals/HQmin/HQore i need at almost any time. Of course if you go in peak hours then... go for bb gun tactic xP
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It can be hit and miss with any mine. Sometimes I go to farm and there will be loads and other times everything is depleted.
As player numbers go up, logic would predict that the resources available would dwindle. It would cause other problems but perhaps a system that would increase or decrease the spawn rate of ore and minerals based on the amount of players online could help balance it out.
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perhaps a system that would increase or decrease the spawn rate of ore and minerals based on the amount of players online could help balance it out.
Brilliant idea.
+1
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As player numbers go up, logic would predict that the resources available would dwindle. It would cause other problems but perhaps a system that would increase or decrease the spawn rate of ore and minerals based on the amount of players online could help balance it out.
Great idea, I hope it's possible, probably not.
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LMAO yeah I'm sorry if you think going to an unguarded mine to get some resources that you're most likely going to be just giving away to the burster at the door is not a solution to the guarded mines not having the basic resources needed for game play. People camp the other mines, and people camp the higher mines, the issue will be the same, except at least at the lower mines you can probably keep the 1 or 2 metal parts worth of ore you managed to get while the campers were making their rounds.
This game will not cater to your un-adventurous ways. Go to all the mines the world has to offer, guarded or not, you're only risking your own sledgehammer. Or make some friends and have someone watch your back. The Lost Children for example would gladly help you obtain your resources.
Please do not gripe about something that is a problem only to the folks who are too timid to make a move to the unguarded portions of the world. The game barely holds your hand in the guarded towns anyway.
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Let's say 400 players online , there is no reliable way to determine even an approximate number of players using multi log , so system wouldn't work properly , like even if it would take place there would be still a problem like having infinite resources having no challenge obtaining them , because the number of players mining couldn't be compared and adjusted in any precise way of the servers amount of actual population , it would always work incorrect , false and soon become obsolete. Unless developers spend time calculating and researching , making periodic statistics to obtain the average number of actual players online witch would be very hard to achieve for the system to work at an optimal efficiency , not mentioning how and what the rate would be optimal to decrease or increase the rate of spawn resources , adjusting only that would not be easy.
It's not that simple , far from brilliant to be practical.
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I thought multi-log was against the rules, and like against everything else.
This isn't an issue about being adventurous. Please realize I speak about more than my own minor objections. Imagine any player that is just now starting, they will go to the mines, find nothing, or travel 100's of miles to other mines, find very little or a lot, then maybe make it back to somewhere where they can work on it. Even if it's 1 and 10 for losing it all while going between places (which we know it's well above 1-10), that's a whole lot of stuff to bring down new players. We're here to test the game and bring up points that may cause issues with play.
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well. NCR is the most dangerous place in Fonline. Even New Reno streets are safest or any unprotected town (unless it is at TC). If you go around the Hub-Junktown-NCR line YOU ARE IN THE HELL.
You fear to loss stuff in any unprotected mine? well, i just tested the probabilityes of got killed with these 2 chars:
1.- Oblivion, a declared PK living in the Klamath-VC-New Reno triangle, in the process to achieve lvl 24 i died only 3 times by combat with players, none of them in mines (well, i won many fights in the mines, but i never got shoted first).
2.- An innocent crafter alt named Oceansoul, living his life between the "safe" NCR and the "peaceful" Junktown...still lvl 12 and i just got killed 7 times in this week by snipers out of my FOV, 3xBRD Bursters and Minigunners and also suicide bursters and SD throwers in NCR and Junktown
Conclusion:
Unguarded cityes are the safest place in the wasteland (if there isnt TC). NCR is hell, get out of there newb NOW!!!
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[...] or travel 100's of miles to other mines, find very little or a lot, then maybe make it back to somewhere where they can work on it. [...]
Well, obviously that's your problem. Built bases (or tents) near the mines you wish to use. It's a lot easier to mine at gecko when you have a base nearby. Don't travel cross country across the wasteland without drop points. Or, if you must, roll a character with decent OD, mine with that guy, craft with your other fella.
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The more you know: materials regenerate every 2.5 ingame hours.
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One persons solution, alting, combined with multiple safe places between areas. Umn, no, they tried to make things for less alting. Also I'm fully aware that the guarded areas like NCR are probably the worst place in game to try and do anything. It is quite sad the state of things when the safe places are not worth going to because of grief. We are Play TESTERS people, think about what the game is trying to achieve not just what you have. Is the basis of the game to find one hole, hide in it, level to cap, and alt to do it all over again? If that's the case, go play Fallout 1. I'm just bringing the point up that things are still not going as smoothly as could be with certain mechanics.
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welcome in fo2238 by sadists for sadomasochists, I know its gonna be deleted again but isnt it true ? Try play again as a lone player and u will know what im talking about
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When i go mining i do it alone without any protection , never had a problem going to BH or Gecko mine acquiring resources i need. Last time wanted to dig up some iron ore to craft additional magneto lazer/plasma pistols , got 280 in BH mine total didn't even clear out the whole place , actually it was quite boring. In fact every single time i went to BH or Gecko mine i never had a problem acquiring any resources , never.
Everything i read here is some whine.
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T-888, just because your experience is different than others, doesn't mean others are whining about things. Hell a perfect example of different experiences is last night being jumped by a cracked out pk'r who double bursted my friend and I taking roughly an hours worth of gathering and farming from us while on the way back to our tent. That's not a whine it's a fact, it happens and it happens to some people a lot more than others, it's sometimes luck, others the time you play on the server. But this isn't a thread about noobs, it's about the fact that the resource system might need a little more tweaking. 4-6 ores per trip to a closer mine is really off when compared to the fact the weapon or armor created will most likely be gone in 10 min.
Right now its a system of 30+ mins of work that you either hide what you make, or lose it. Now the loot drop is the issue, but when you think about players trying to get on their feet what are they supposed to do? Before you freak out about catering to new players, remember we're here to Test, and I'm not saying make it unlimited resources from things, just a tweak.
As a side note, are fiber plants only supposed to drop 6-10?
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welcome in fo2238 by sadists for sadomasochists, I know its gonna be deleted again but isnt it true ? Try play again as a lone player and u will know what im talking about
why would be that deleted? its ok, we are masochist (but not sadomasochists ;D)
last night being jumped by a cracked out pk'r who double bursted my friend and I taking roughly an hours worth of gathering and farming from us while on the way back to our tent.
I bet my ass that you were near NCR hellhole. Also a n00b is by definition a bad player... bad players lose man. (perhaps you are newbie)
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T-888, just because your experience is different than others, doesn't mean others are whining about things. Hell a perfect example of different experiences is last night being jumped by a cracked out pk'r who double bursted my friend and I taking roughly an hours worth of gathering and farming from us while on the way back to our tent. That's not a whine it's a fact, it happens and it happens to some people a lot more than others, it's sometimes luck, others the time you play on the server. But this isn't a thread about noobs, it's about the fact that the resource system might need a little more tweaking.
That's exactly why i can see it as a whine and it is , my experience is different so that i can take a look at it from a different point of view and provide a viable one that makes yours obsolete. Think out of the box. The resource system is fine as it is , there are more mines than only few guarded ones. For now guarded mines are just dug out like there is gold in them not because the resources there are somehow better , but because mining there is reliable and safe. So it kinda makes sense that those mines will mostly be occupied now.
Personally i haven't visited any of the guarded mines and somehow i haven't had a problem digging resources i need , now you just think about what information you can get from what i said now.
4-6 ores per trip to a closer mine is really off when compared to the fact the weapon or armor created will most likely be gone in 10 min.
4-6 ores , what bullshit. I'm going mining with 196 carry weight and even that is not enough.
Right now its a system of 30+ mins of work that you either hide what you make, or lose it. Now the loot drop is the issue, but when you think about players trying to get on their feet what are they supposed to do? Before you freak out about catering to new players, remember we're here to Test, and I'm not saying make it unlimited resources from things, just a tweak.
As a side note, are fiber plants only supposed to drop 6-10?
There is no loot drop issue. This is not about new players. This is about the availability of the resources for everyone , we shouldn't treat anyone specially , it's stupid and makes no sense , everyone has an equal chance to start and as you say " get up on their feet " as well everyone has the same chance to acquire resources that are currently spawned over time , witch of course will not be always easy to do. It's what makes them valuable.
btw stop whining
more btw start visiting unguarded mines , start organizing some protection if you need , start playing this game.
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Sorry didn't mean to strike a nerve. Wow much... It's easy to say that a view other than your own is a whine. And I'm not talking from just my experience I'm also looking at the other people I play with who have the same issues with things. Now I'm glad you get lucky when you go up the the ungaurded mines, and it is probably nice to have an alt for every occasion. I however am attempting to 'play' this game as close to what the devs have posted as their intent. One major point is less alting. Now tonight I will be making another attempt to do as you said and run the northern mines. So far I'm 0 for 4 attempts, but like you said people can do it. It may just come down to poor timing/server pop.
Do you really think that it's ok to farm 20+ mins, to get one item and some ammo, and fall over dead to a bad timed encounter, or a dropped in pk'r? I'm just saying some further tweaking to the resource system might be needed. It's obvious you feel the it's ok.
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T-888 is a member of a faction which was lucky to be able to receive lots of goodies this wipe thanks to a bug and now likes to let this fact shine through each post subletely to underline how badass they are - I would not take every word for granted.
Though, both of you are right - some players really overestimate and like to exagarrate the "I can be killed here and there" possibility or are simply too lazy/shortsighted to actually visit unguarded places - which are even from my own experience not all that dangerous most of the times. You can always be unlucky (or happen to play in a crowded timezone compared to others), but that's life.
What's a fact though, is that compared to minerals "containers", ores are in the lower number - simply update some of the maps slightly and all should be fine and dandy.
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Well further information on my ongoing test of this situation. I went up to the northern mines for a 5th time, taking the advice of other players I took with me a friend and the means to make a safe place near the mine. For those who want the details of the adventure I will gladly provide them, but for now I'll keep it brief. 2 Brahmin gone (game glitch I believe) One nice crippler pk'r and some bad luck mixed with good later, I managed to make my way into the mine (Gecko Mine). After 3 trips through the mine hitting EVERY low quality ore node I left with 5 metal parts worth of ore and one alloy. Only enough to replace 1 of the 2 10mm's lost, and not even make ammo. This was roughly 2 full hours of play time, taking into account just the trip up there, not even the one back.
I'm not blaming the resources spawn for my lost cows, they're stupid and probably licking themselves somewhere laughing. And it's not the ores fault a noob decided to blow my friend and I away. However when you think of each of these things put together, it plays hell with getting things done in game.
Surf mentioned above that the nodes seem to carry less of the Ore resource than the Mineral resource. However the popularity of the Ore will make any increase in how much a node holds only a minor fix.
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In general I dont see the point in limiting the resources.
I am not saying that you should give it freely along with a ticket for the train back to your tent but if someone wants to spend his time going to mines, mining and then building stuff by using the craft system what is the problem?
That many guns and ammo will be created? And so what? I thought that PvP is a primary focus of this game... with guns easy to collect and craft we will have MORE PVP as people wont be as frustrated and worried about losing them.
For example I am a loner and have so far made 2 M60s and the necessary bullets via Gecko HQ minerals. It took me time to get to Gun-runners high enough rep to craft there and then I set out to enjoy.
Well mixed with bad luck and being new I lost the first M60 on my 3rd encounter (The deadly ghouls of Gecko with their super sniping). I went back, got my other M60 and some bullets and went out once again. One supermutant patrol later and I was dead again.
Now I am not saying the ENCOUNTERS should be nerfed. They were fine and I was just unlucky... but what BENEFIT is it to the game if I now have to spend a couple of days collecting materials again before I can go out in the world again to kill and be killed.
Increased materials may flood the economy with guns but with the fact that there is a new trading system in place that doesnt have much impact. Would it not be cooler if I could gather enough mats even in guarded areas to produce my weapons without WASTING a lot of time so that I am more active in PvE and PvP???
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just a tip... lvl with a flamer...
Also about trip to Gecko mine... Easy thing. Make one alt (i don't like alting but i have 1 crafter and 1 made for pvp). Alt for mining, make a tent near gecko mine. As someone mentioned ores spawn every 2,5h ingame. It mean you can just go to mine, get full of ore, drop it in tent and go again, and again... it's realy easy.
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Uranium ore is mineable right? Or do I have to buy it from Zaius for 500 caps each.
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just a tip... lvl with a flamer...
Also about trip to Gecko mine... Easy thing. Make one alt (i don't like alting but i have 1 crafter and 1 made for pvp). Alt for mining, make a tent near gecko mine. As someone mentioned ores spawn every 2,5h ingame. It mean you can just go to mine, get full of ore, drop it in tent and go again, and again... it's realy easy.
I love it how EVERYONE HATES ALTS but Everyone has one of them.
Yep... "I am not racist but...."
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I'm tempted to post a new thread: "Still Too Much Ore and Minerals In Mines."
Crafting should be tough. You want a lot of guns, go hit XX v. XX encounters. You want to build nice brand new guns, put some time into it.
Disassembling is also a way to get your metal parts and such. However, it's barely worth it, since I seem to find ore and mins all the time in the gecko mine. Same with the San fran and Klamath mines. Haven't hit the BH mine much, but the town's always empty so I'm sure that's full of resources too.
I don't roll with a huge crew, just a couple people. And we have loads of ore and mins at the base near gecko. Really, the mines should be more desolate.
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T-888 is a member of a faction which was lucky to be able to receive lots of goodies this wipe thanks to a bug and now likes to let this fact shine through each post subletely to underline how badass they are - I would not take every word for granted.
Lucky , bug , what ? As always something to do with SoT everyone expects unicorns and what not. I don't even have an idea about what are you talking about , there was nothing wrong or beneficially exploitable with resources dug from mines this wipe , maybe except that minerals where a bitch to get for a while.
I don't even see how it is possible to determine the efficiency of current system , if you pin in words like lucky , unlucky , pk's , double bursted from behind etc. etc. it just doesn't have anything to do with the spawn time of resources.
It's fine , i don't over exaggerate , current way is fair.
This was roughly 2 full hours of play time, taking into account just the trip up there, not even the one back.
Buy buggy travel around all wasteland in 30 sec to any point , 10 mm pistols ... right okay. I see ....
There will be always that will play and adjust , get most of the mines while others whine about how they can't obtain any of that because .... geeeee 10mm pistols ............ more stops for you. Don't need to be in a faction to level up appropriate combat viable characters , make few friends , farm some NPC for weapons and take control of a mine for some while. I'm not here to teach you how to play , i just don't understand how can you waste so much time and yet not achieve anything in a videogame.
Call me badass , exploiter swarmer , faction guy , powerplayer , proxy user whatever , it's a game.
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Call me badass , exploiter swarmer , faction guy , powerplayer , proxy user whatever , it's a game.
simple troll is enough
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I'm not even going to bother to argue how invalid the suggestion about getting a buggy is. (Let me just hit my spawn 10k caps button, problem solved)
Also to truly TEST a game you HAVE to take into account things like Luck, Time on server, Encounters with other players/npcs, Travel time and so forth. These things all combine together, with what players do. Right now the issue is with players who aren't part of big gangs, or spoon fed their gear and caps. And what those people are saying is things are rather scarce and limited. As Ymeo and others have said right now it's a ton of effort to get things going, then lose it, and redo all that effort again. So hopefully people will take a look at things and we'll see where they end up. Maybe just the modification to how much the Ore Nodes hold will be enough.
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I'm not even going to bother to argue how invalid the suggestion about getting a buggy is. (Let me just hit my spawn 10k caps button, problem solved)
10k caps really isn't that much. There's a lot of ways to make caps. Sell like 8 or 9 metal armors, sell spears, get caps from encounters, etc.
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10k caps really isn't that much. There's a lot of ways to make caps. Sell like 8 or 9 metal armors, sell spears, get caps from encounters, etc.
Very true, too bad the Metal Armors require the ore we're discussing, so do the Spears, oh and same with the Guns needed to kill people in encounters. And to farm just caps from encounters that would be tedious and mind numbing, we're not trying to play WoW remember. There are many ways of doing things but sadly they're all connected to each other with certain fundamental requirements tied to things like crafting. I know it's not the only way to do things, this is just the current issue I am play testing.
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From my experience there is 6x the amount of ores as minerals. Last 2 trips I made with friends netted us about 300 ore and 50 minerals.
Getting resources from mines can be terribly frustrating. Sometims though it's a gold mine (so to speak)
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I'm not even going to bother to argue how invalid the suggestion about getting a buggy is. (Let me just hit my spawn 10k caps button, problem solved)
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I thought i would never have to say something like this publicly , but learn to play. Nobody has to change anything if obviously you just don't know how to play , how anything you say can be viable if you can't get the most simplest things in the game , a car ... so i guess you don't know how to build bases around wasteland or tents ... then it's like leveling a combat character for you is impossible. So much effort ... yeah right if you know what to do , there's practicly no effort at all.
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Every time when I enter in the mine I get around 30-40 minerals and 50-100 ores. I don't what you guys are talking about...
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Every time when I enter in the mine I get around 30-40 minerals and 50-100 ores. I don't what you guys are talking about...
Exactly , what am i talking about ?
I don't understand how can someone like trokanis raise such concerns , as i understand he is not a very new player.
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Every time when I enter in the mine I get around 30-40 minerals and 50-100 ores. I don't what you guys are talking about...
You must live in some forlorn timezone. At mornings I too get equal ammount of minerals as you but when day turns to evening the ammount is close to zero. The more players online, the less mats you get.
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Nice Vandal. I haven't had that luck yet.
T-888, wow personal attacks, seriously?
Anyhow... I feel the urge to explain exactly how much I do in this game, but this isn't about who's got the better what or who knows how to do what, it's very simply about the fact that in many mines, most of the time there has been a lack of Ore.
I am sorry that my attempt to bring to the devs attention certain things about small groups in the current system has seemed to caused such distress. In either case it is just an observation.
As Avv has said it could simply be the time in which we play, that dictates the availability of the resources. If that is the case it is still something worth looking at.
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The more players online, the less mats you get.
So what you think everyone who doesn't have a problem acquiring resources play when everyone is sleeping ? Absurd.
T-888, wow personal attacks, seriously?
Anyhow... I feel the urge to explain exactly how much I do in this game, but this isn't about who's got the better what or who knows how to do what, it's very simply about the fact that in many mines, most of the time there has been a lack of Ore.
Personal attacks ? It is actually who knows what to do , you spend less time achieving more. There's a lack of ores most of the time in public mines especially those in south , you just can't accept that.
http://clip2net.com/s/1zClJ
Just now went to BH mine , as always full of stuff. I could agree that if your playing at peak hours , then it might be a problem to mine resources and only MIGHT , these complaints are useless and not well put.
http://clip2net.com/s/1zCs1 i could keep mining there for some hours
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Talking about how I don't know how to play and I must not know soo many things just because I have a differing experience than you, yeah those are personal attacks. However that is as far as I'm going to go with that.
If you would like I will provide you with the half a dozen or so Screenshots I have from the Gecko mine and BH mine showing the lovely 'The resources have been depleted' dialog from every one of the regular ore nodes, after at most 2 swings. (Those aren't the common southern mines last I checked.)
Something you should consider is I don't 'think' anything about what others have managed. I am just stating what several play sessions worth of effort has shown the group that I play with. And as stated by other people in this thread we're not the only ones to encounter this.
Perhaps you can tell us T-888 exactly how you do it, that way we can know if in fact there is some special key thing we're missing.
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Talking about how I don't know how to play and I must not know soo many things just because I have a differing experience than you, yeah those are personal attacks. However that is as far as I'm going to go with that.
Different experience what ? I go to mine these resources like you , alone and without any protection mostly randomly and i always somehow manage to get out with tons of resources. Maybe your complaints are not well put , have you thought about that. You are just over exaggerating.
If you would like I will provide you with the half a dozen or so Screenshots I have from the Gecko mine and BH mine showing the lovely 'The resources have been depleted' dialog from every one of the regular ore nodes, after at most 2 swings. (Those aren't the common southern mines last I checked.)
Wtf ? Just went to gecko mine http://clip2net.com/s/1zCyj
there were 2 completely unprotected guys in the mine mining too , i should even gone there with my sneaker killed both and profit even more.
Something you should consider is I don't 'think' anything about what others have managed. I am just stating what several play sessions worth of effort has shown the group that I play with. And as stated by other people in this thread we're not the only ones to encounter this.
Do you even read other posts ? I do.
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Every time when I enter in the mine I get around 30-40 minerals and 50-100 ores. I don't what you guys are talking about...
Me too, even much more I must say. People just don't know where to look.
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The picture you show, only has 1 metal part worth of ore from the Gecko mine. If that is a lot of resources than I have in fact been getting a kings ransom worth of it. The other has 10, that's not bad. Better luck in BH than I had.
Now is I have accepted that you have managed to get resources from time to time. Is it so hard for you to accept that others have had trouble with it?
So I have stated what I have seen, you have stated what you have seen. The Devs most likely have their own Data gathering tools in place. I am content to wait for their thoughts.
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Even if the add more ores you won't get more. Why? Becouse in guarded mines People that mine now will just carry out more. And mines will be overflowing with ores when out of peak hours. What we have now is good. And as far as i see in this thread you are the only one with problem. Majority can get their ores so i see no reason for making changes for lazy or unlucky minority...
You can't make everyone happy... And wasteland is harsh...
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Well it is obvious that you didn't read the whole thread if you say I'm the only one who has had this issue.
I also do not expect a change to an entire game just to suit 'my' concerns. I am merely bringing this issue to the attention of the devs. Because it had effected more than just myself.
Yeah the wasteland is harsh, I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere, good thing we're playing a GAME.
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I will drop my two cents here.
I've noticed that the mines are all set up very differently.
Before you go ahead and shout "Thanks captain obvious!" I actually have a point to make with this.
NCR Mine: Few Ore deposits, insane amounts of minerals.
My base near there ALWAYS has a surplus of minerals.
Klamath Mine: I'll be honest here. It has three mineral deposits. I was mining it for ores and it took me 5-10 minutes to deplete it. I had over 400 ores. Holy mother of god.
My base near there is of course, the opposite. I have so many ores there and making ammo is of course, a royal pain.
Screens or it didn't happen: I can do that.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/34oujxi.jpg)
All I have to say is...I've been here 2 weeks. If I can do it, so can you. There's stuff everywhere, you just have to explore. Don't be scared of the wastes, embrace it.
:D !
PS: I should mention that I usually grab a slave and load him down and hop to my ranger safehouse nearby. It helps tons. For those non-slavers, grab a brahmin, Modoc isn't far. Fights aren't hard to flee from and if you have enough Outdoorsman you should be semi-safe from playerkillers. It's no biggie. I always keep spare gear sets organized and ready to go. Ask my mates, I organize so OCD because I love just walking in and being able to tic off some boxes, figuratively speaking, to get what I need. :D
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PS: I should mention that I usually grab a slave and load him down and hop to my ranger safehouse nearby. It helps tons. For those non-slavers, grab a brahmin, Modoc isn't far.
and THIS is why you can't find anything in mines.
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Will get me a private mine, as soon as possible. And as soon as that bug (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=21193.0) will be fixed.
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theres no problem to get resources,the metod is simple just checkin quarry some times,and high quality res are more easy to gather than normal becouse theres no pks in mines :P
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ok so now i know why i cannot find anything in mines, b/c somebody is going there with a cow and diggin up 400 -.- bring back gathering cooldowns, rofl
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1) That wasn't a "cow", nor was it as it should have been said, a brahmin. Look closely and you'll see it's a slave.
2) Every time I go there, there's tons of ore. I'm not depleting mines that everybody goes to, I'm off doing my own thing.
3) I think it's very fair the way it's being done right now. People need to learn to spread out.
4) I know that it goes without saying that all this hate is why people don't want to contribute or help you.
5) Have a problem with the way I play my game? At least I'm not out there killing you. I'm making things and giving them away most times. What I mine I return to the community. Want to criticize me now? At least I'm giving back.
6) Ever considered making friends? Oh right, you're arrogant as hell. Too proud to accept help, or just unwanted due to your terrible attitude?
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what are u talking about ? Dunno where u are from and what time u play this game, but every time i go to mine and i visit 3 out of 7(?), I cannot find anything, at the same time crafting a simple gun takes atleast 10 ore. Btw does it make a diff if its a cow or slave srsly ....
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I have a serious suggestion for you. Talk to me in private if you need something I can more than likely help you.
Need ores? I'll be happy to help you out. More than. Just please don't get personal with me like that. :)
I'm not a meanie. At all.
And yes it did matter. :P
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Not to go too off-topic but IcyMew I am beginning to intensely dislike you changing the subject name on your posts >:(
Luckily I play usually on a non prime time and I'm based in the north usually and rarely have any problems getting ore HQ or LQ, the few times I have played during prime time The mines may have gotten depleted faster but rarely would they be depleted after the first whack.
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I've only noticed timing and luck to play any noticeable factor. There are Three HQ mines(Redding, Gecko and BH) and if no luck at one, I just travel to another and mine some shit and leave.
As for the normal mats, player population plays an obvious role and their guarded locations. People can take a brahmin and just clean it all out if they so want to and go at the right time. You can do it in a HQ mine, too, if you just time things right(mostly luck there if you're solo). Patience, taming/buying a cow and a hammer and you can have a large payout, IF you choose.
Used to take brahmin to the mines(still do sometimes but not always, since the shitty bug where guards are killing my tamed brahmin makes it hard to take said brahmin to certain locations). Only got 22 carry-weight and I found it easier just to run into the mine, mine what I can and leave. Less lost if death on the way out, less hassle. 125+ Outdoors makes this easier, however, because then the walk to wherever your tent/base is isn't so bad at all (175 OD myself).
Solo crafter main and I'm not really hard up for mats. The biggest gripe I have is the annoying difficulty in crafting said HQ mats at Gunrunner(they don't allow followers into factory) which means I cannot take my cow inside to the crafters table.
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So it relies on alting again, or luck in timing when you go. I have gotten lucky from time to time, but since the whole point of things in game is to have a high server population, the current spawn rate, or amount held should at least be looked at. Everyone has different ways of doing things, and people who play at different times have better or worse luck than others. I don't expect a change just to suit the unlucky ones, but as we're seeing more and more people are coming up short when it comes to the res. Perhaps instead of changing the resource stuff since everyone seems afraid of that, maybe lower the requirements of the crafting some. 5 metal parts and an Alloy for a 10mm can be somewhat troubling when you easily lose it, and have to spend more hours getting it built again, unless you're one of the lucky ones.
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Maybe you should make friends with people who have tons of resources.
I spend a lot of time making money and storing away resources in numerous camps and bases along the wasteland.
That way when I deplete one camp I always have other ones that I've hidden away resources in.
Then the cycle resets, restock, rebuild, deplete.
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Sadly the freedom that this game boasts makes me really not want to follow the whole Conform or leave thing. I don't want to have to have 20 alts 40 tents just to make my ONE f'n gun I need to level up my 1 or 2 characters.
I do not know if the devs have stepped up resources, or if people have just left the game already, but I can finally swing more than once in JT mine and get some ore. Beats having to run all over the map just to make one item needed in the game.
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I'm part of a small faction that works together as a team quite well and yes, that makes things like crafting infinitely easier. But one day I found myself online with my buddies nowhere to be found... So I tooled around camp a bit and tidied things up but I very quickly found myself bored. So I thought hey, why not make an independent character and see how far I can get... Well, I'm 2 weeks into that character now and without any help from any of my buddies or any of my alts he's doing just fine. Was it a bit touch and go in the beginning? Well sure. But I haven't had any problems gathering crafting mats or mining or anything like that and all that dude has that's "special" is a safehouse with his own workbench. So yes, it is quite possible to play a fun and fulfilling character by yourself, mining by yourself and crafting by yourself. If what your doing isn't working then I suggest trying something else, somewhere else.
Addendum: Don't even bother with JT or NCR. Obviously there won't be crap there now will there?
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Good point about the JT NCR mines, lets just remove them from game they're not for average players use right? I do understand what you're saying, but the may part of the starting of the game is done near NCR and JT. There is even only one spawn point that doesn't bring you to that area when you start the game. These are things to be considered when you're making a game for a broader group of players, is where they will be starting, and what they will have to go through to play the game. Should WM travel be instant? NO. Should mines have infinite res? No. It was simply something that needed a second look.