You could at least credit those who give you those gifts to murder people with...
"I have remorse about killing them -_-" and you actually should. You guys gonna whine about lack of players in no time, but right now it's pretty cool to kill everything that moves and obviously has no chance to defend, right?
You know, like everyone, I was new player too, and back then I hated every BBS, VSB and Red Dots, they were pissing me off as hell, so I know how it is to be "new". I prefer shooting to armed guys, killing bluesuits trying to make quests in towns is just... poor. Especially when they ask you for help and few minutes later you walk away from his dead body with his whole gear, laughing and thinking "what a noob, I cheated him". In true Wastelands, Post-Apocalyptic world it would be kinda normal and obvious, but FOnline is still a game and we are all humans, so... come on... don't be bitches, who finds fun in cheating and killing newbies, because they are too naive.
As I said, I will find you and paint my hands red with your intestines... so beware.
in my opinion many new players are just idiotsIn my opinion this doesn't apply just to new players.
PD: Post your funny encounters with other <3 Int wastelanders here(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/4172/funnyk.png)
like you never did that and you always knew how the things are done around here?There are so many readily accessible articles on "how to not suck," both here on the forum and on our wiki, that anyone smarter than a mutated brahmin can easily educate themselves and, guess what, not suck when playing the game.
Cpt. Rookie, Oblivion is a women, MS Paint fail. anyway i really tried to play good, but the new crafting system practically forces you to murder for get stuff, as example i need 5 metal parts to make a sharpened spear, 4 to make throwing knifes...so if mines are depleted, were am i supposed to find those resources?
If you had half a brain, you could figure it out fairly quickly. I've quickly gathered over 30 metal parts and alloys, and have never hit a mine or killed someone for those mats.
You might try to make use of your Science skill.
But hey, like someone said earlier... being an idiot doesn't just apply to new players, huh?
We all suffer from it sometimes...
Sorry to burst your bubble, but my stash of mint condition tommy guns wont fire unless I chamber bullets in it.
I myself have around 50 metal parts and 30 alloys from dissasembling every bit of junk, however I havent got hold of a single piece of mineral to make gunpowder with. Mining IMO has always been about making ammo nothing else, even the armors are easy to come by if you trade lead for them (if you catch my meaning) but hot lead takes care and consideration to acquire. I might add specially now that we all need it to level our characters up
@StrationIt's not about their ignorance, it's about their unwillingness to learn. And it does not justify 'the stuff I do' so much as it actually necessitates it.
I'm sorry. How does the ignorance of others justify the stuff you do?
It's not about their ignorance, it's about their unwillingness to learn. And it does not justify 'the stuff I do' so much as it actually necessitates it.
Have you ever heard the term 'tough love' by any chance? I'm like a loving parent that punishes his/her children for doing what they shouldn't do, or not doing things they should be doing, because that's what's in my children's best interest.
I have never heared bigger BS, than this... . Your best interest is to simply rape newcommers from their collected stuff, and they are learning anyway, and big part of this "noobs" will do the same to others just because someone did it to them before... you know, this is how it works... in prison.You get it all so terribly wrong now, but don't give up, think[box], and you will learn.
New players are NEW, its not surprize that they will try to comunicate instead of running from every player that they meet outside guarded towns.That's what I'm there for, doing what I'm doing. Everything's in its right place, so to speak.
I have never heared bigger BS, than this... . Your best interest is to simply rape newcommers from their collected stuff, and they are learning anyway, and big part of this "noobs" will do the same to others just because someone did it to them before... you know, this is how it works... in prison.As self proclaimed Mother Theresa of Wastes I have to disagree in some parts. I mean yeah, raping newbies "for teh lulz" might seem a bit retarded, but if they are stubborn and smart enough, they will do anything they can to not fall into the same shit again: using preview, scouting the place, learning when and where it's safe to go or not. It comes sometimes after close-to-ragequits feelings, but there is many other games, much easier than this one.
New players are NEW, its not surprize that they will try to comunicate instead of running from every player that they meet outside guarded towns.
how to make caps easilyEven older users don't seem to know that since wipe. All I can say is this wipe has gave people more interaction between each other. Who would have thought people would want to trade 2 regular alloys? But it's true, I traded them for 3 metal parts. He helped me get my spiked knuckles, I helped him to make his flamer. But how did I get those 2 alloys? Oh, some dude in NCR just started throwing around some stuff, and he also threw out 2 .44 magnums. Dissasemble ---> get parts ---> trade with others. After having hard hours of trying to get more metal parts for my tools of destruction, I just couldn't do it and started murdering pretty much everyone who I saw.
You get it all so terribly wrong now, but don't give up, think[box], and you will learn.
When I used to play the game more often, I happened to follow some folks into the tent just to tell them they have to beware and explain them how to get rid of tent followers.
when you're new to the game and someone just happens to come to your tent and shoot you in the face to rob everything you were working for since you started, the first thing that comes to your mind is:
You probably should also remember that people new to FOnline probably never experienced such "hardcore" MMO before and they are used to a bit different sort of players. (...)The arguments you've used only further substantiate my point of view. It's true that FO differs from any other game of its kind, but that is *precisely* the reason why we should not treat new players any different than we treat those that have been around for, let's say, a year or two.
Anyway, I think I understand what you're trying to say, but It's still justifying yourself for doing a nasty, nasty things.I can see your point, but you're incorrect.
And also, theres a polish statement thatThat's the part of what I'm saying where most people get me wrong. This is a game. There is *no* victim-oppressor relationship here. If you insist on using this sort of analogy, use that of a hunter and the prey.
(...) every victim becomes executioner with time or something like this. It's true and fcking annoying in real life so why would it work and also be fucking annoying here?
I'm doing basically the same thing, except that I also reinforce my message by actually killing them and looting/disassembling their belongings.
You're being sardonic, but yes, that *is* pretty much the way it goes. If you kill a guy, he sees that he can be killed. Should you follow him to his tent, he suddenly realizes that he can be followed to his tent. Although explaining things might seem to be a viable method of teaching newbies, you have to remember that the vast majority of new players here either have a very limited command of English, or are completely unwilling to engage in any conversation whatsoever (the latter often stemming from the former). In a nutshell, if you only explain things to them, it *might* help them; if you demonstrate things to them, it *will* help them.
The arguments you've used only further substantiate my point of view. It's true that FO differs from any other game of its kind, but that is *precisely* the reason why we should not treat new players any different than we treat those that have been around for, let's say, a year or two.
I can see your point, but you're incorrect.
That's the part of what I'm saying where most people get me wrong. This is a game. There is *no* victim-oppressor relationship here.
If they don't know why or how they've been killed, they won't learn anything. (...) Maybe they don't even see icons above their heads (...) You're playing with the same full-of-flaws people that you meet in your life (...) They WILL feel humiliated and they WILL get angry not understanding what's going on and why they get constantly killed.
I think the main difference in our thinking is - You seem to expect every player to be hardcore-gamer or/and someone very bright when it comes to understanding computers, interfaces etc. Like casual players were something worse.
You clearly didn't get my meaning, so allow me to elaborate on that particular point: I can understand why a person would think what you think, but, despite there being an indisputable rationale behind your way of thinking, you're incorrect in your interpretation of what I'm doing. In your previous post(s), you claim that I am merely trying to justify my evil-OH-SO-EVIL actions here, but the fact of the matter is that my deeds are actually good rather than evil, and hence I obviously need no justification for them whatsoever.I can see your point, but you're incorrect.You can do better that that, but okay - I'm gonna correct myself:
Anyway, I think I understand what you're trying to say, but It's still justifying yourself for doing a nasty, nasty things in my point of view.
The main difference between us is that you have a patronizing, so as not to say condescending attitude towards other players/people whereas I treat them as equals.
So its clear to me that im not awesome, in my opinion many new players are just idiots and they are easy to cheat, murder, rape, etc.
LOL. That's a nice way to twist around the simple fact that you like to grief inexperienced players with weak chars...
You are egalitarian!
You didn't make yourself clear at the begining and acted like a wise-ass proud of killing newbies so the discussion started. So don't you caps-lock g'old folks now, cause its rude as hell.this
And if you tell me, that "we grew up good" and you mean by that people who try to convince me that killing begginers is a wonderfull idea, almost an act of God.. well... I would have to dissagree. So once again - you may need to clarify whats on your mnd, just so you won't get mad after another few posts.
I like that thread. It's entertaining!
YES, im sincerous, maybe more than anyone here :)Quote from: meSo its clear to me that im not awesome, in my opinion many new players are just idiots and they are easy to cheat, murder, rape, etc.You are not awesome and new players are idiots ?
Oh gosh, I could use so many radical examples of your "treating like an equal" looking really bad.Yet you decided not to use a single one? A wise decision, my child.
Surely enought it's not that easy to admit that you're ruining the game for the newbies just to make it easier for yourself.We've been over this... twice.
All in all - the most important matter was - ruining the playerbase - nothing about that, eh?I don't see how helping new players could be ruining the player base, but I'll try to address that point anyway. Do you really think that if a person gets killed a few times and immediately after that rage-quits, anything of value gets lost? Because I certainly don't. You see, in the world of online games it's survival of the fittest, and some people simply don't have what it takes to play them. Let them enjoy playing Tetris on their mobile phones, and just leave them alone.
somebody wanted to toast me with his flamer yesterday while i was tinkering the metal armors of some marauders together.You feel guilty.. nah. That player who tried grill you deserved burst.
1hex bursted him for this. I feel guilty :'(
But he took it with humour and we had a nice talk while he was lying there in his blood.
somebody wanted to toast me with his flamer yesterday while i was tinkering the metal armors of some marauders together.I can feel your pain, brother. This yahoo with SMG attacked me, the peaceful woodsman, during wood chopping:
1hex bursted him for this. I feel guilty :'(
I can feel your pain, brother. This yahoo with SMG attacked me, the peaceful woodsman, during wood chopping:
(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9194/omglag.jpg)
I had to defend myself, now I'm totally blacklisted!!111eleven
"aaarghhh lag" - classic death sentence of failing wannabe pkThis is actually a reasonable excuse because of the occassional, but horrible moonwalking animation played right at the most crucial life and death moments in the game that seems to only happen to you and you alone. ;)
Yet you decided not to use a single one? A wise decision, my child.
We've been over this... twice.
I don't see how helping new players could be ruining the player base, but I'll try to address that point anyway. Do you really think that if a person gets killed a few times and immediately after that rage-quits, anything of value gets lost? Because I certainly don't. You see, in the world of online games it's survival of the fittest, and some people simply don't have what it takes to play them. Let them enjoy playing Tetris on their mobile phones, and just leave them alone.
This is actually a reasonable excuse because of the occassional, but horrible moonwalking animation played right at the most crucial life and death moments in the game that seems to only happen to you and you alone. ;)
You really want to embarass yourself that much? Because personally, I can play along and I promise, 3rd Reich Fuhrer wont be the best example I can come up with. I'm not saying whose dad I would like to include, but there's gonna be one of the famous dads there!I'm afraid that you'll have to do *much* better than that.
Also - 90% of people using sentences like (...) are (...)
Theres nothing to be proud of when you are the first case, since age doesn't really matter. You're trolling style isn't good enough to write it as some older folks who ACTUALLY dont care bout internetz so second case ain't working either. That left you with the third option - and I don't believe people loosing their close one are wasting their time arguing on internet, so... dude... really not cool!There is one more option: I'm not 'trolling' at all, and you're making a fool of yourself by, among other things: 1) comparing me to Hitler, 2) persistently attempting to invalidate my points by resorting to arguments ad hominem and, while we are at it, 3) using in writing incorrect, slangy contractions such as "ain't." Frankly, whenever I see a person, particularly a learner of English (you'd think s/he'd know better) using all these ain't's, wanna's, gonna's, etc. in writing, I truly feel like slapping them, and I don't mean giving them a slap on the back here, in case you wondered.
And the winner is... TommyTheGun!
The discussion has changed into an argument of 2 people <deep sigh>
Off-topic (?): Actually moonwalking is a big threat, because it can screw you badly, mostly in encounters against critters.
Oh shit, I think I started arguing with way to intelligent guy... After all, he's able to use wikipedia.I tried to make my message as short and clear as possible. Wikipedia came in handy, saving me a lot of trouble, and allowing me to present what I was going to present in a fairly concise manner.
Also, I wrote, that Hitler comparison won't be the best one I can come up. How come, the only thing you understood from it was "Oh shit, he's comparing me to nazis! Im gonna paste some links from wiki!" ?*sighs* I am still waiting for you to pull those excellent examples you've been talking about for several *days* now out of your sleeve. Will I live to see the day when it finally happens? Let us wait and see...
I should start the next sentence with "Kid", but I'm not that kind of guy, so:Of course you're not. Just because you compare random people to Hitler, use imaginary statistics, change the topic of your conversation whenever you like and try to insult other people's parents (as listed in the SPOILER above), it doesn't mean you are 'that kind of guy.' Not at all. Not you, the cool guy, no. Keep telling that to yourself, and everything's going to be fine. Just fine.
Dude - We were discussing something here. It''s actually you, who changed the subject into more personal ones.Wrong. See SPOILER, and follow it to your own post where you did exactly what you're now trying to accuse me of.
Also - you're the one who actually included Adolf into conversation, making a big deal of the part bout 3rd reich. I think if you had some more distance to the whole matter, you would see it wasn't used as a serious argument.Are you serious, or is this another 'joke?' Go back to your previous posts and read what you wrote.
Closer to the joke rather, I don't expect you to undarstand it anymore though. Also - it's not very bright idea mentioning the second point, if you can't undarstand a simple joke and didn't actually get the part where I tried to indicate, that it's not very fair move to use sentences like "[...] wise child" in annonymous conversation. Especially - since I'm pretty sure I'm older than you.Well, if you're older than me, that certainly makes you right! I suggest that, instead of desperately clinging to the phrase 'my child,' which was used in a harmless manner, and only to indicate that it was, perhaps, high time you had realized that you started running in circles, you should try and address the actual *content* of my posts, rather than their wording.
100% of all statistics on the other hand, say that guys that take everything so personally and bark at everyone who tries to start discussion with them are deuchbags ;) 100% can't be wrong.It's not me taking things too personally here, and trying to insult my interlocutor. Take your time, read through our conversation once again, and realize the terrible truth.
100% of all statistics on the other hand, say that guys that take everything so personally and bark at everyone who tries to start discussion with them are deuchbags ;) 100% can't be wrong.As for my english. I'm not sure if I should even comment it, but I'm glad you did it. You can check on wikipedia what language is used in Poland. One little hint - it's not english - so before you get any more cocky about it, tell me how well you speak polishI merely made an innocuous remark concerning an issue in general. In short, I criticized a tendency rather than any given person. Of course, you mistook it for an invective, as would be expected of someone who, to use your own words, takes everything so personally and barks at everyone who tries to start a discussion with them.*
All in all - Im pretty sure you're able to argue about stuff that really doesn't matter for hours. Especially since you tend to take it way too personally - I'm going to suggest to switch to actual subject and start discussing like a healthy, adult person shouldHere's one more Wikipedia link for you, enjoy.
There are so many readily accessible articles on "how to not suck," both here on the forum and on our wiki, that anyone smarter than a mutated brahmin can easily educate themselves and, guess what, not suck when playing the game.
Therefore, there's no justifying NOOBS who let others enter their tents, attempt to strike up conversations in random encounters (both with players and NPCs), do not move away when someone tries to steal from them, etc., etc.