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Let me see if I can get this:
* If I am a new player I don't deserve a car even if I got the money to buy it?
* If I am a new player I don't deserve a faction or a base because all the names have been taken?
I put caps in my piggy bank for days so i can get a car and watch New Reno like a hawk so i can buy a car only to get blown to pieces and have my money and my car stolen right in front of T-Ray. That guy dosn't protect his clients? That can't be good for business he is the only car dealer in Fallout and he is protected by the mob.
I go to buy a base (that didnt hapened I just herd this from my friend because I dont have any MONEY) and the guy dosnt sell me one because guess what... I HAVE TO TELL HIM A FU**ING NAME THAT MY FACTION WILL USE or else he dosnt whant to sell me a base, why dosnt he like Eat S**t or Home Sweet F**king Home or any name that comes to mind. I have to guess what name HE whants for me? C'mon I have been gone an year and still the same annoying s**t. This kind of s**t made me leave the first time and I like this game in general.
This is only a fraction of the annoying shit that f**ks up your game and the will to play. Lots of people calls this realism ... ARE YOU F**KING INSANE!!!???
And all this s**t on the cover of "the wasteland is harsh" and is more realistic this way because you see... F**CK YOU!!!
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I have to disagree with what you posted, having a base/car is quite easy even with being a new player (quite a few new factions have started in the past 1-2 months with new player leaders) It doesn't matter if your new, as that goes away. What matters is if your smart enough to know how to get a base/car. Not being silly and deciding to try and buy a car, alone, on peak hours where there are bound to be pk's waiting.
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I watch't New Reno Gas Station for hour's (most of the time I wait for T-Ray to respawn) and not in peak hours. Nobody was around when I whent to buy the car, he came after I finisht the transaction, and about that s**t "going alone", well I dont know anybody to go with someone, and even if I did I dont think 4 of us could handle the 5 mercs and that guy with a minigun mostly because its RT and the mercs have better reflexes.
I want to enjoy the game and the time playing, not to spend my time waiting like a paranoid lunatic for 4-5 hours. Patience has a limit and an expiration date. When I play I want to enjoy myself, not to wait that much time, I value my time because I dont have to much when it comes to games.
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just wait for a while, wipe is coming soon.
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4 good plyers can handle 5bg/ew mercs and 1-2players. just dont stand to close to respawn point. mercs are uslles
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RT and me = a very very bad combination
You put the emphasis on good player and this is about new players or average players at beast
P.S. The guy came after I whas in and after that he campt T-Ray's room so no matter how many friends i have I could get most of them killed.As far as the friends go, I only have one. By the way started this game again like a week ago so not to many friend making.
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It's realism when it makes the PK's happy ;)
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If you would have closed door behind you nobody would probably came. PKs are just checking map from overview and when the T-Rays door are open they jump in and..... die by my avanger bursts. xD Any open door in unguarded city are invitations to fight. Full merc squad can be handled in RT even by simple char if you'll use terain. Trying to take them out in the plain is suicuide. And about the bases: i agree that buing base is inconvenient and unintuitive as shit but if you would make some time searching forum or wiki you would surely realize that there are names left and which of them are free. But i doubt that is possibility for you so rather keep making silly therads to amuse whole comunity. xD
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Realism and npcs can never fit. If we had realistic npcs, T-ray would be a pk that jumps on people from worldmap with a highwayman and 5 mercs which he bought with all those caps he got from selling cars.
Base seller npc wouldn't be selling any bases because bases are more valuable than caps. He would just keep all the bases and laugh at the hundreds of players without bases. Or he would sell to noobs and when the noob hoards his items there, the base seller npc would take it all because the noob didn't understand to kick him out.
There's a reason why t-ray is where he is and why he doesn't protect his clients. It's because of risk-reward factor. You risk yourself and your moneys to get the car.
Bases will be changed after wipe. The reason why they could only be bought by a group had its meaning but players bypassed that with contacts and proxies.
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I watch't New Reno Gas Station for hour's (most of the time I wait for T-Ray to respawn) and not in peak hours. Nobody was around when I whent to buy the car, he came after I finisht the transaction, and about that s**t "going alone", well I dont know anybody to go with someone, and even if I did I dont think 4 of us could handle the 5 mercs and that guy with a minigun mostly because its RT and the mercs have better reflexes.
I want to enjoy the game and the time playing, not to spend my time waiting like a paranoid lunatic for 4-5 hours. Patience has a limit and an expiration date. When I play I want to enjoy myself, not to wait that much time, I value my time because I dont have to much when it comes to games.
He who killed you and confiscated car more appreciates his life. So he kills you.
fix
Can not cope with the problem? Sit without cars.
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Realism and npcs can never fit. If we had realistic npcs, T-ray would be a pk that jumps on people from worldmap with a highwayman and 5 mercs which he bought with all those caps he got from selling cars.
Base seller npc wouldn't be selling any bases because bases are more valuable than caps. He would just keep all the bases and laugh at the hundreds of players without bases. Or he would sell to noobs and when the noob hoards his items there, the base seller npc would take it all because the noob didn't understand to kick him out.
There's a reason why t-ray is where he is and why he doesn't protect his clients. It's because of risk-reward factor. You risk yourself and your moneys to get the car.
Bases will be changed after wipe. The reason why they could only be bought by a group had its meaning but players bypassed that with contacts and proxies.
lol he wouldn't make a very good business person doing that.
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If you would have closed door behind you nobody would probably came. PKs are just checking map from overview and when the T-Rays door are open they jump in and..... die by my avanger bursts. xD Any open door in unguarded city are invitations to fight. Full merc squad can be handled in RT even by simple char if you'll use terain. Trying to take them out in the plain is suicuide. And about the bases: i agree that buing base is inconvenient and unintuitive as shit but if you would make some time searching forum or wiki you would surely realize that there are names left and which of them are free. But i doubt that is possibility for you so rather keep making silly therads to amuse whole comunity. xD
I get what you are saying but its frustrating at time and its kind of hard to make friends on this game and the chance that you'r time will intersect :) lets say its less then low and stop with this "if you have bala bla bla bla (if I had pulld the Holly Hand Grenade of Total Distruction from my ass) About the wiki... I made guns, money (enough to buy a car), tent everything from scratch with just a f**king Colt borowd from a guy in VC in less then a week with 2-3 hours of play a day. I could have done much much more but I had to get used to the controls again, to learn a few new things, remember what I forghot. I am saying that for a new guy its so hard that he will lose a portion of the interest for this game right then. Some things you dont learn on the wiki.
You have maneged to stay in this game all this time, dont know the cause, but half of the beginners leave not because they get killd (this is the way you actualy learn in this game) but because of s**t like this.
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Only the strongest noobs survive. Or the lucky ones that got recruited from some faction.
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Then try again , aren't you interested how the game will turn out when you overcome the difficulties ? If you are still interested to play then do it smartly , go to fonline irc channel ask for help , advice or message someone politely in forum. Hell you could message me , i wouldn't mind to increase the population of the server by one player if it means helping out a new player , there isn't much to do anyway.
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Video of the pwnage?
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Only the strongest noobs survive. Or the lucky ones that got recruited from some faction.
this is true 100 percent ... i was the strongest noobs i was a loner for more then half my time playing this game. yes i got pissed off when i got killed 5 - 1 but i got over it and fought on. this is why i get so pissed when people bitch like this when they get killed and shit. i had to go threw it all and i learnt from it and became a good player. learning and adapting to the waste is the way to go not bitching that you died. all this time theses people are bitching about dieing and not being able to do something they could use it instead to find ways to not die and make things work.
just saying.
none of this is directed to anyone just saying. learn from your mistakes take a momment to realize what you did wrong and correct it. i have been playing for 2 years and i still make noobish mistakes that often cost me allright but the cost is well worth the knowledge and skill i gain.
so theryon look at every time you die and loss caps as paying into your education. ;)
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just wait for a while, wipe is coming soon.
The Wipe Is never coming just letting you know, although I have never had any problems getting cars.
The only way to succeed In this game is to bring IRL friends into it or meet allies other than that, your
gonna get fucked
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I don't want wipe.
I spent the last 4 months getting to grips with game, now I'm getting better and able to get what I want, they want to wipe. :(
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I don't want wipe.
I spent the last 4 months getting to grips with game, now I'm getting better and able to get what I want, they want to wipe. :(
Ok wipe cancelled because ThePhoenix77 doesn't want it. Thank him folks.
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Let me see if I can get this:
* If I am a new player I don't deserve a car even if I got the money to buy it?
* If I am a new player I don't deserve a faction or a base because all the names have been taken?
I put caps in my piggy bank for days so i can get a car and watch New Reno like a hawk so i can buy a car only to get blown to pieces and have my money and my car stolen right in front of T-Ray. That guy dosn't protect his clients? That can't be good for business he is the only car dealer in Fallout and he is protected by the mob.
I go to buy a base (that didnt hapened I just herd this from my friend because I dont have any MONEY) and the guy dosnt sell me one because guess what... I HAVE TO TELL HIM A FU**ING NAME THAT MY FACTION WILL USE or else he dosnt whant to sell me a base, why dosnt he like Eat S**t or Home Sweet F**king Home or any name that comes to mind. I have to guess what name HE whants for me? C'mon I have been gone an year and still the same annoying s**t. This kind of s**t made me leave the first time and I like this game in general.
This is only a fraction of the annoying shit that f**ks up your game and the will to play. Lots of people calls this realism ... ARE YOU F**KING INSANE!!!???
And all this s**t on the cover of "the wasteland is harsh" and is more realistic this way because you see... F**CK YOU!!!
This game is not for everyone, in your case i suggest you find another game, honestly.
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Ok wipe cancelled because ThePhoenix77 doesn't want it. Thank him folks.
Godamnit, ThePhoneix77!! >:(
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Sadly right now, the game isn't designed to be fun or helpful for anyone starting out without a Basic knowledge of the game to begin with. The wiki and the survival guide help but only if you look for them. If you just walk in and start you don't get the info that the whole game is full of lulz seeking abusers who only get thrills by f'n up your day. That you learn the hard way. You can get ahead in the game, but not really alone. As far as the statement you should leave, that is false, because eventually people are going to wake up to the fact that a game like this will continue it's constant circle of lulz=population decline, until something changes. In a bit I'll post in suggestions a new idea for maybe lessening the blow to low level players, without changing the current flawed pvp system.
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As far as the statement you should leave, that is false, because eventually people are going to wake up to the fact that a game like this will continue it's constant circle of lulz=population decline, until something changes.
Lulz and retardedness is only going on in populated safe towns. People say it's only ncr but that's because ncr is the most populated.
Try to have retard-fun in any unsafe towns and it gets serious fast. Dead serious.
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Lulz and retardedness is only going on in populated safe towns. People say it's only ncr but that's because ncr is the most populated.
Try to have retard-fun in any unsafe towns and it gets serious fast. Dead serious.
But also, try to have fun in any unsafe town and it dies fast - unless it's 1 Cha, 5 drugged, high tier, faction PvP fun (sometimes mixed with mercs).
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As far as the statement you should leave, that is false
I kind of agree with the concerned Wastelander after reviewing your post history. Almost every post you have made has been riddled with complaints, and it seems like you haven't been having any fun at all. I know I wouldn't play a game if I didn't enjoy it.
If you do enjoy it - great. I just don't know what else to think at this point.
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But also, try to have fun in any unsafe town and it dies fast - unless it's 1 Cha, 5 drugged, high tier, faction PvP fun (sometimes mixed with mercs).
There are other ways.
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Hmmm the bad thing in forum is that you cant delete your topics. This topic was just rage since I forghot how to play it and I got angry for my mistake (not locking the door behind me). I havent playd this game for 1 year so it was hard for me to start from scratch and now I know how new commers feel. Sorry about starting this topic I forghot the rules of the game for a moment ;D and it was stupid to post my rage here on forums.
P.S. Somebody close this topic if possible!
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Don't worry I think majority of players are very understanding of rage.
Game makes you rage -> you cuss and yell -> you calm down playing hello kitty -> have a moment of clarity -> back to playing 2238.
What I suggest in the future when you buy a car, there is a red button on lower right hand corner of map screen click it then you can select a part of the map. Then click on the top triangle to preview the map. If the doors are open that means somebody might be there or was there recently. Not to say that always works, people can easily close the door. I would also enter a few times blue suit as well. Also if you have a friend, have him enter blue suit to make sure its safe for you then enter buy the car.
That is all I can suggest if you do not have PvP friends to guard you while you buy it.
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Hey Theryon, i've only played for 3 months and have a bunch of cars and a private base, in a faction with multiple bases including a bunker. I started here not knowing much and took my first 6k caps happily to Reno because i was going to buy a car yay! And was promptly killed faster than i could even react, my caps gone. I was very disappointed.
What i did not do: rage in a forum.
What i did: dug in my heels and tried again smarter. We use scouts, we close doors, we tempt out the PKs and we end up getting all the cars we want. We don't lose this fight anymore. I think of it as education that cost me 6k.
So no, you don't "deserve" a car just because you have the caps. You don't "deserve" a base just because you have the caps. In fact, none of us "deserve" any part of this game since we're not even paying for it. It's a privilege to play it, and a joy when things work out. Upsetting perhaps when plans crash (and really weird when Section 9 infiltrates your gang, foils your first TC, then posts a video about it as if it was ever a fair fight lol and a bunch of meaniheads pile on) but you gotta stay cool man.
Stay cool and don't press that "Submit" button when you type out your rage post. Type it to get it out of your system but do not send it! Haha, then take a breather, delete it all and start over...in the SUGGESTIONS forum as if you're a calm cool fellow developer with some good ideas. That gets received far better. Cool man?
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Upsetting perhaps when plans crash (and really weird when Section 9 infiltrates your gang
I remember about a Section 8 that infiltrated your bases and teached you that you cant trust anybody in this game. I also remember how they didn't even took one item from your bases and how they proposed to kill all their characters that they used for infiltration in your bases so you won't fear another infiltration... I also remember how they gave you advices about pvp builds and about the game in general. Yes, they spoiled one TC for you, but you'll never succed a TC just as GN13, they just wanted to give you a taste about what TC really means...
About that evil Section 9 that you talked about, i've never heard, but they sound like big assholes.
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If you really want to get into it and nit pick, the only reason I infiltrated you guys AT ALL was because that's exactly what one of your members had tried to do to us previously.
And zuhardu is 100% correct about the rest of it, though he didn't mention several other things...
Plus I find it odd that my posts have a way of disappearing around you Marko. I know this one will probably disappear as well.
But YES, lets talk about BALANCE. YOU, Marko told me in Mumble that you feel your faction SHOULD get special treatment from the GM's. Why? Because you're new, and not as strong as the more established groups... which is why you had NO SHAME at all in asking for a med terminal to be put into your bunker base. It's too bad Apox didn't get what he wanted, but the fact remains.
You think it's fair for some people to get special treatment, and others not to get special treatment. You told me yourself. It's not enough that everyone has the same opportunity. No no no. When people like you talk about "balance", you want equal OUTCOMES.
So next time you think it's unfair that a group like C88 is as strong as they are, and you're as weak as you are... stop and think about how long they've been around, how much effort and time they've put into their faction - that you haven't put in yourselves. That's why it feels unbalanced to you. You haven't put the work in.
The game is not unbalanced. YOU ARE JUST BEHIND THE CURVE. Get used to it.
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Well this post started out about some guy raging about his car but yes lets talk about balance.
I can see where wind drift is going and why he feels the way he does about being favored or special treatment. Many of us have gone through hell playing this game and getting to where we are today, we've gotten PKd, stuff stolen, trolled to death by theifs and bombers, and have to endured many hard things to get what we need. I mean really the idea of somebody getting a drug terminal in their base or getting special stuff added to their base pisses me off. I had to go to vault city and get sprayed by trolls and lost drug crafting materials. I have never asked the GMs for anything except once and that was skins for a group of players who are hardcore roleplayers. I have never asked a GM for anything for myself in my fonline career. I have one character with a skin because the GM just gave it to me without me asking for it.
But this is an good issue of balance, I think either favor everybody or don't favor anybody at all. I do not like people getting "special treatment" over others.
I also generally do not like people who get banned, and others who don't for dual logging and fast log. Half the people I play with have been banned for this, and other factions don't.
But you know what its the wasteland its harsh and unfair. And I generally just laugh at people who wine about PKers or base rapers because many of us have gone through that. And its all about thinking of a smarter approach to avoid these things.
But you know I can respect Marko as he is a person who is running a noob helping faction and helps keeps the server population up, so there is more people to shoot at :D And I have talked to Marko and he is a good guy at heart nicer than most of the pricks who play this game. And if what winddrift says is true that section8 infiltrated the faction and didn't steal anything to teach you not to trust anybody that is generally what needs to be taught to players in this game. And this is the type of knowledge people need to know when playing this game.
But back to the topic of balance. You know this game is very unbalanced, and we all rage about something. My biggest compliant is big factions well squash small factions in any pvp but I have accepted the fact moved on and its the wasteland its harsh and unfair. Its an unbalanced game get used to it.
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Gn13 have a tree and drug terminal in their base. Enough said.
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Well this post started out about some guy raging about his car but yes lets talk about balance.
But back to the topic of balance. You know this game is very unbalanced, and we all rage about something. My biggest compliant is big factions well squash small factions in any pvp but I have accepted the fact moved on and its the wasteland its harsh and unfair. Its an unbalanced game get used to it.
The game is balanced just fine.
Your faction, my faction... even you and I as single players, have the same opportunities as any other in this game. Really.
Bigger factions squashing smaller factions is actually pretty damn fair when you really think about it. It's not easy to maintain a large player base for a faction. People come and go constantly, people squabble about petty stuff... but some factions manage to do it.
The fact of the matter is, just because we don't possess the same capability doesn't mean something unfair is stopping us. I'm 100% positive that any large faction has worked hard to get where they are. If my faction or your faction, or Marko's faction isn't in the same spot... well, it's our own faults. The opportunity is there.
Again I stress, unequal outcomes does not mean unequal opportunities. Same goes for balance. We all use the same armors, weapons, drugs, cars, bases, (for the most part), etc. In that respect all things are equal... except the players themselves. Obviously a player or faction that's been around for a long time will have their shit together better than a new player/faction.
So essentially what I see when someone complains about the game being unbalanced is "It's not fair that this other player/faction is better than me/stronger than me.".
That's just the way it is though. Somebody has to lose.
And nothing will change with wipe, either. When everyone is reset to zero, all we have left is our experience. Face it folks, some people will always be more capable. But there's nothing the devs can do about that.
As far as infiltrating GN13/Outcasts, the main objective wasn't to teach them not to trust anyone. I think most of us know that, at least those of us that have played longer than a week. No, it was payback pure and simple. No we didn't take any items, because it wasn't a base rape. I can't speak for everyone I play with, but I can say with certainty that most of us detest base rapers. It's happened to us several times, as it has most other people. I know I tend to take it personal when someone tries to do it to us, though... as Marko and his guys can attest to. Frankly, I'm not saying any more on the subject... except for this:
Upsetting perhaps when plans crash (and really weird when Section 9 infiltrates your gang, foils your first TC, then posts a video about it as if it was ever a fair fight lol and a bunch of meaniheads pile on) but you gotta stay cool man.
Come on man, the fight was about as fair as it could be. The only info I had was "TC in Modoc". We waited until the timer started (assuming you were all there and ready), and then we all entered from one side and fought you. No dirty tricks once the battle started. No dual logs, I wasn't even in your mumble at the time.
OH, and it was 9 vs. 9. Even numbers. You can reference the video and count for yourself.
Other than player skill/experience, where is the imbalance? Hell, I've seen lesser numbers defeat a team twice their size easily. What part of THAT is unfair?
Seriously, unless someone is getting special treatment, it's plenty fair.
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Well like I said I have accept the fact that small group of players well not thrive in PvP unless they ally with other factions. There is a solution to everything. And you are right as far as gear goes we all use the same stuff and it is balanced in that aspect. But there are things that are unbalanced and that's just the way it is. There is no team balance in this game, I am not suggesting there should be I was just simply stating the fact.
I mean if your character sucks and can't kill other players as effective than the other team than your character build sucks, make another, and we all use same gear, have same capabilities as anybody else. The game is balanced in that aspect. I agree.
But the two biggest unbalances is GMs giving certain groups of players power armor over others, base items etc... and team balance. But this game was not designed to be a team balanced game like playing team fortress 2. Sure it makes me mad trying to do small pvp action and 50 players show up kill you in 2 seconds, but that is why we make alliance factions to take on bigger factions from my side of the spectrum. And you are right a person who is in and runs a big faction deserves for it to be big and it sucks for noobs and small factions who PvP.
It is an unbalanced game, but as far as using non-GM given items and player stats and skills it is balanced in that aspect.
This game isn't a friendly RPG game where your items are safe and can't be stolen, and isn't a game with PvP arenas is the only place you fight each other. This game well take you out of your comfort zone you are used to playing games like world of warcraft, diablo2 etc, where you get your items back when you die or when a player kills you.
But that is why I think many of us like this game because of the challenge its a pretty hardcore game and no other like it. I do not know of any mainstream games where you can steal peoples stuff, blow eachother up with dynamite and try to infiltrate other players bases to steal their stuff. Most games just seem to kiddy with the fact you have a nice safe storage container nobody can access and you can't steal peoples stuff out of their inventory or kill them while they are hunting or gathering materials. This game takes a lot of guts and balls to play and it well make you rage.
If anything it should be that the game is unfair, not unbalanced. But this game is survival the weak well perish and the strong well survive.
Come on man, the fight was about as fair as it could be. The only info I had was "TC in Modoc". We waited until the timer started (assuming you were all there and ready), and then we all entered from one side and fought you. No dirty tricks once the battle started. No dual logs, I wasn't even in your mumble at the time.
OH, and it was 9 vs. 9. Even numbers. You can reference the video and count for yourself.
Other than player skill/experience, where is the imbalance? Hell, I've seen lesser numbers defeat a team twice their size easily. What part of THAT is unfair?
Seriously, unless someone is getting special treatment, it's plenty fair.
That is what PvP is about, you don't just take a town and expect nobody to attack you and easy peasy you own a town. Factions like TTTLA/C88, sneaky raiders, BHH, fight daily to defend these towns and hold them because they put a lot of effort into defending them. And they don't quit after one loss they regear come back and fight again. If you do not like gear loss and losing to other players, I do not suggest PvP or town control. And people don't need to be in your mumble to know where you are, people use sneakers and I have seen you guys do TC and you guys suck at spotting sneakers. If you see a nice little friendly bluesuit you have to shoot him do not take the risk of him spying on your position. You have to be PK in town control anti-pk is a weakness in town control if you do not like shooting blue suits.
All of us PvP fanatics who hold towns we PvP everyday lose our gear and fight none stop. You can't give up after one loss. Marko I like you and your faction I am just saying this a pointer and not trying to troll or make fun of you. And wind drift has a very valid point point that people who have big factions have good gear, excell at PvP deserve what they have because they took time to experiment with the game mechanics and figure out what is a good strategy to kill other players.
I have tried to ask for alliance or offer to do PvP with you guys teach you the tricks of the trade and willing to give power builds but you guys decline because you do not like our play style as pkers.
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Agree for the most part.
I guess I just look at the fairness aspect of certain game mechanics a little differently. I just see a lot of thin skin everywhere (not saying you specifically, just in general), where anything someone doesn't like is "unfair".
There is much to be left to interpretation and opinion. Obviously I have my own opinions, jacked up as they may be.