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Perhaps if there was music played at bars (Louis Armstrong and other fallout relevant tunes) they would attract more people.
is this a possibility?
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It's waiting for the next update.
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well it seems like you guys have already thought of everything :)
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Doesn't mean there's no place for new suggestions. :) Right now it's just a jukebox where you throw a couple of caps in and you choose a song from the list. Note, that the songs must be royality free to use.
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This is a list of song links to a public domain archive. Everything you find in this Archive is Royalty free and legal to use for the purpose discussed in this thread
http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=louis%20armstrong%20AND%20mediatype%3Aaudio
A few more I'd like to see:
http://www.archive.org/details/FrankSinatra-ThatsLife_447
http://www.archive.org/details/TheGypsy-InkSpots-BillboardTop30-1946 (http://www.archive.org/details/TheGypsy-InkSpots-BillboardTop30-1946)
http://www.archive.org/details/EllaFitzgeraldAndTheInkSpots-CowCowBoogie (http://www.archive.org/details/EllaFitzgeraldAndTheInkSpots-CowCowBoogie)
http://www.archive.org/details/TheInkSpots-TheSweetestDream1946 (http://www.archive.org/details/TheInkSpots-TheSweetestDream1946)
http://www.archive.org/details/BobCrosbyBobcats-Panama (http://www.archive.org/details/BobCrosbyBobcats-Panama)
http://www.archive.org/details/BobCrosbyBobcats-Summertime (http://www.archive.org/details/BobCrosbyBobcats-Summertime)
http://www.archive.org/details/BobCrosby-LetsGo (http://www.archive.org/details/BobCrosby-LetsGo)
I'll keep hunting for fallout appropriate tracks and post them here if that helps
This was in Fallout 3 but its AWESOME
http://www.archive.org/details/DannyKaye-Civilisation (http://www.archive.org/details/DannyKaye-Civilisation)
This one is really eerie, and with a name like 'strange fruit' i think appropriate
http://www.archive.org/details/BillieHoliday-StrangeFruit_965 (http://www.archive.org/details/BillieHoliday-StrangeFruit_965)
They Can`t Take That Away From Me : a nice sentiment in the waste, no?
http://www.archive.org/details/BillieHoliday-TheyCantTakeThatAwayFromMe (http://www.archive.org/details/BillieHoliday-TheyCantTakeThatAwayFromMe)
more beer, appropriate pub song me thinks
http://www.archive.org/details/AndrewsSisters-MoreBeer (http://www.archive.org/details/AndrewsSisters-MoreBeer)
these are definitely countryside at least in lyrical content
this is a collection, "don't fence me in" fits the waste really well as well as route 66 and a few others.
http://www.archive.org/details/Bing-crosby-andrewsSisters-11-20 (http://www.archive.org/details/Bing-crosby-andrewsSisters-11-20)
This is a pretty definitive country song
http://www.archive.org/details/HomeOnTheRange (http://www.archive.org/details/HomeOnTheRange)
and some more,
http://www.archive.org/details/PeacefulValley (http://www.archive.org/details/PeacefulValley)
http://www.archive.org/details/EzraPauletteHisBeverlyHillBillies-ThePrisonersSong (http://www.archive.org/details/EzraPauletteHisBeverlyHillBillies-ThePrisonersSong)
http://www.archive.org/details/ByronBerline-RagtimeAnnie (http://www.archive.org/details/ByronBerline-RagtimeAnnie)
http://www.archive.org/details/CharleyVaughn-FathersADrunkardAndMotherIsDead1929 (http://www.archive.org/details/CharleyVaughn-FathersADrunkardAndMotherIsDead1929)
http://www.archive.org/details/ChubbyParker-WhoaMuleWoah (http://www.archive.org/details/ChubbyParker-WhoaMuleWoah)
http://www.archive.org/details/DickJustice-Cocaine1929 (http://www.archive.org/details/DickJustice-Cocaine1929)
this one is perfect
http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=17251.15;last_msg=142858 (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=17251.15;last_msg=142858)
http://www.archive.org/details/MemphisJugBand-ImLookingForTheBullyOfTheTown1927 (http://www.archive.org/details/MemphisJugBand-ImLookingForTheBullyOfTheTown1927)
http://www.archive.org/details/MemphisJugBand-StealinStealin1928 (http://www.archive.org/details/MemphisJugBand-StealinStealin1928)
http://www.archive.org/details/WashboardSerenaders-KazooMoan (http://www.archive.org/details/WashboardSerenaders-KazooMoan)
the Dying Miner, a fonline anthem if ever there was one
http://www.archive.org/details/WoodieGuthrie-TheDyingMiner (http://www.archive.org/details/WoodieGuthrie-TheDyingMiner)
http://www.archive.org/details/WoodyGuthrie-HobosLullaby (http://www.archive.org/details/WoodyGuthrie-HobosLullaby)
http://www.archive.org/details/WoodyGuthrie-JohnnyHartjohnHardy (http://www.archive.org/details/WoodyGuthrie-JohnnyHartjohnHardy)
These are all Pop Classics
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePuppiniSisters-BoogieWoogieBugleBoy (http://www.archive.org/details/ThePuppiniSisters-BoogieWoogieBugleBoy)
http://www.archive.org/details/PuppiniSisters-JeepersCreepers (http://www.archive.org/details/PuppiniSisters-JeepersCreepers)
http://www.archive.org/details/PuppiniSisters-InTheMood (http://www.archive.org/details/PuppiniSisters-InTheMood)
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attract more people
I don't understand this.
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Don't double post, or even triple post. ;) Use the edit function.
Generally there are a couple of good ones in there. What I need especially are some country/folk songs, as it's hard to find good ones in that genre.
I don't understand this.
Doesn't surprise me.
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I don't understand this.
I'm posting public domain music that can be used for jukeboxes in bars which will be implemented in the next update.
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I added some country to that list
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Aha! This is awesome!
The Wasteland Band (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/The_Wasteland_Band (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/The_Wasteland_Band)) will have a chance!
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add some NV soundtracks (http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Fallout:_New_Vegas_songs), some where awesome
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add some NV soundtracks (http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Fallout:_New_Vegas_songs), some where awesome
Which part of
Note, that the songs must be royality free to use.
did you not understand?
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Royality isnt a word "in English"
To clear it up for you, You must NOT take any type of music content that is own, used, or made by any other company/studio without permission. Taking copyright protected music such as "Jingle Jangle Jingle" and putting it into the Fonline 2238 game is going against copyright and can get sued to some extent if bethesda or obsidian ever found out.
I think thats what their talking about anyways.
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Royality isnt a word "in English"
Like it is so hard to understand that it's a typo. Suddenly with one more "i" it get's unreadable for you?
Thanks for the unneeded explanation anyway.
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the explination was needed
thank you for it
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Solar,
I've Noticed that a lot of these songs will need to be normalized so the relative volume doesn't jump around too much between plays, also it wouldn't hurt to add some subtle reverb to make them sound like they are being played in the bar.
If you would like I can take care of these things, Just let me know
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I was doing that anyway. :) There is a small room-verb on it, some bar folks talking etc. Also, they need to be edited to .ogg files anyway. The result will sound/feel like that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U8KzYxmsXk&feature=related).
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I was doing that anyway. :) There is a small room-verb on it, some bar folks talking etc. Also, they need to be edited to .ogg files anyway. The result will sound/feel like that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U8KzYxmsXk&feature=related).
The songs in the links I have posted (and I have added a few more) are all, or at least mostly, available in Ogg Vorbis format directly from the archive.
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Only music wont do, need drunken animations like in JA2 ;P
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Only music wont do, need drunken animations like in JA2 ;P
With the 3d era, it is possible, yes. :)
Jukebox tunes will sound like this: http://www.zshare.net/download/9215874411ce805b/
Or this: http://www.zshare.net/download/92159004d7a2c986/
Still taking suggestions, especially on slow songs/countrysongs. Your chance. :)
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Jukebox tunes will sound like this: http://www.zshare.net/download/9215874411ce805b/
I think it sounds very good :)
If one wants to bring bars alive, maybe life perforcmences by players would be a thing too. Aswell as emotions. Maybe some bar games, like cards? so one could play poker vs eachother. Thief free place, and allow unarmed fighting :P
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you could play this just before a wipe for dramatic effect ;)
http://www.archive.org/details/OrsonWellesMrBruns (http://www.archive.org/details/OrsonWellesMrBruns)
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From the nice archive that Johnny Rust pointed out (by the way thank you), I recommend New Van Buren Blues (performed by Bob Skyles and His Skyrockets) and Dream A Little Dream Of Me (1931 version performed by Smith Ballew (singer), Teddy Raph Orch). All free from copyright in some country (more than 50 yeahrs, for Usa laws it is more complicated).
Nagasaki too is very appropiated for Fallout (maybe the Trix Sisters version)
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Actually this Jukebox feature sounds promising. But beside this there are some other things needed to attract people to hang around in bars. Gambling would be one thing (already suggested many times and i think the "non-skill-affected"-gambling would be the best to avoid alt farming here). One could also think of some poker game for up to 9 players for example (if thats somehow possible within the engine...i saw it already on TLA for one person, not sure if this would work with more players). Another option may be some quiz there from time to time (randomly held by the barkeeper).
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gambling would be nice and the quiz is a great idea! perhaps the quiz can be hosted by a dev acting as bartender since we would be shouting out answers.
fallout trivia!
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Gambling skill should give something that doesn't really give advantage to win, but some small advantage - ability to make bigger bets, join tournaments, gambling could be used in quests (where a certain gambling skill check is needed) or stuff like that. Gambling could be a skill that goes up just by winning in these gambling games. I have an idea of this:
To gain 1% (2% if tagged) gambling skill you must get XY amount of gambling experience, if you want you can still use skillpoints on the gambling skill. You gain experience by winning a game.
0%-100% needs 50 experience to gain 1%/2% skill.
101%-160% neeeds 110 experience to gain 1%/2% skill.
161%-200% needs 150 experience to gain 1%/2% skill.
201%-240% needs 200 experince to gain 1%/2% skill.
241%-300% needs 300 experience to gain 1%/2% skill.
You get this much experience for winning a game:
* For winning 1 blackjack hand you get 2 experience.
*a For busting out the dealer you get 10 extra experience.
* For winning 1 slot machine game you get 3 experience.
*a For winning the biggest jackpot you gain 20 experience.
* For winning 1 poker hand you get 2 experience.
*a For busting out a player you get 10 extra experience.
*b For winning a tournament you get 25 extra experience.
It might also depend on the skill of the other players.
(These numbers were quickly thinked off, it's unkown if this idea even gets implented, so it's up to the devs)
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I Love all these Ideas! I Kina get a Lil exited just thinking bout it ;D, Though. I can't help but feel like Getting a Jukebox for the Base (Like a placeable Jukebox Skined NPC) *sighs* One can Dream :P
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Good idea of "revification" of the bars. I always thought bars were good places to organize small RP events, or at least celebrate certain achieved goals (My clan has managed to defeat clan Y, and X clan has agreed to cooperate with us, or simmilair).
Oh, and i also wanted to make a (slightly different) post about bars, but i guess you beat me to it.
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Oh, and i also wanted to make a (slightly different) post about bars, but i guess you beat me to it.
why not post it here?
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Well, if its not a problem:
As i said above, i think bars are (currently) rather shallow. Just a few NPC's, restrooms and thats it. Not one living human or even reptilian soul. Nothing. my suggestion is to bring a little bit more life to the bars: Jukeboxes with vintage 50s-60s music (Ella Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong and even Johnny Cash, although he doesn't quite fit into the atmosphere), random quests given out by the bartenders or drunkies, such as: kill Z in XY coordinates, and return with his possesions (dogtags probably?), find him a rare item (Cat's Paw or other?), investigate a cave, and simmilair. But my probably greates suggestion would be that bars should acctualy be a place for players to come together-not for the quests, just come together. Why not lower alchohol prices in the bars, whilst increase prices of other items? Makes sence if you ask me. Plus probably (after implementation of news in every major town, if it happens), players who start a fight in the bar be in the newspaper the next morning, with the victorious one being contacted by a local fight organizer (arenas), to come and test his skills in the arena. I also have a pretty trivial suggestion: why not ad some activities for the "flavor"? Such as darts, billiard (based on a simple dialog, using say to add the names of your opponents, although they will have to add you too), making a good foundation for barfly RPing. Oh, and as far as these activites go (the ones mentioned above), the success rate should be based on the players luck and gambling partialy, with a base 25% chance of winning, that is not based on your skills or stats, thus balancing it.
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Well, if its not a problem:
As i said above, i think bars are (currently) rather shallow. Just a few NPC's, restrooms and thats it. Not one living human or even reptilian soul. Nothing. my suggestion is to bring a little bit more life to the bars: Jukeboxes with vintage 50s-60s music (Ella Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong and even Johnny Cash, although he doesn't quite fit into the atmosphere), random quests given out by the bartenders or drunkies, such as: kill Z in XY coordinates, and return with his possesions (dogtags probably?), find him a rare item (Cat's Paw or other?), investigate a cave, and simmilair. But my probably greates suggestion would be that bars should acctualy be a place for players to come together-not for the quests, just come together. Why not lower alchohol prices in the bars, whilst increase prices of other items? Makes sence if you ask me. Plus probably (after implementation of news in every major town, if it happens), players who start a fight in the bar be in the newspaper the next morning, with the victorious one being contacted by a local fight organizer (arenas), to come and test his skills in the arena. I also have a pretty trivial suggestion: why not ad some activities for the "flavor"? Such as darts, billiard (based on a simple dialog, using say to add the names of your opponents, although they will have to add you too), making a good foundation for barfly RPing. Oh, and as far as these activites go (the ones mentioned above), the success rate should be based on the players luck and gambling partialy, with a base 25% chance of winning, that is not based on your skills or stats, thus balancing it.
I also would love to hear some Johnny Cash but while I was looking for royalty free music I couldn't find anything by him, so unfortunately that may be out.
I really like the bar fight idea, and it got me thinking. In order for bar fights to be less exploitable/ridiculous, how about a few guidelines;
1. It is legal to fight in a bar as long as you are fighting with only bare hands. no guns, and knife fights belong in dark alley ways
2. it is ILLEGAL to kill someone; the fight may only last until knockout, but murders are bad for business.
3. You must be drunk; The bar is here to sell booze, so buy something or get out. If you get a bit carried away with your drinking thats ok but you better buy another!
4. There is a cool-down for bar fighting, its acceptable to get carried away sometimes but too much is too much and you will be asked to leave if you become a problem. Failure to comply may result in permanent injury to your person.
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Yep, thats pretty much what i wanted to write about bar fights, but i thought my post was as complicated already. Oh, and maybe some Frank Sinatra, if there are some songs of his on the public archive, i might see to it.
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And now, for the pure awesomeness that is Louis, and of course for the Fallout nostalgia, i present, Dream A Little Dream by Louis Armstrong and Ella Fitzgerald:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-xzfwDAn1I
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Classic!
Yep, thats pretty much what i wanted to write about bar fights, but i thought my post was as complicated already. Oh, and maybe some Frank Sinatra, if there are some songs of his on the public archive, i might see to it.
I have already posted some Frank S. but by all means have a look for more. That archive is fantastic, and you can trust anything you find there to be legal to use for this purpose.
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Wow, finaly someone who respects music the way its SUPPOSED to be. Cheers to you Johnny, cheers.
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and cheers to you Serbian!
after we get those Jukeboxes you and me should have a few drinks and appreciate some music.;D
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Yep, just like good 'ol times before the nukes...
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I seen a picture once...
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How was it like? Any craters?
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How was it like? Any craters?
no craters, just a whole lotta' real-clean-folks smiling and carry'in on. Not a care in the world...
but hey, look what happened to them! right?
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Yep, grins no more. Just a few ashes, and well, more ashes.
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I once saw a poster of some place called New York. Wait, isn't York a ciggarete brand? Man, whole settlements bought by large tobacco running tribes.
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yea, smokes must have been a currency back then....
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It's waiting for the next update.
This mean that You wont see it in this year :D
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:P
This mean that You wont see it in this year :D
you seem pretty proud of yourself but I'm pretty sure the next update is coming soon. Even if its not the next update but the one after that at least it's happening.
From what I have seen of your comments so far you seem to be one of the most counterproductive people on this forum, but i guess i could be wrong about that.
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------>Soon (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Soon)
I heard in April about CBT in the first days of June. Was there any? No and without a CBT there wont be any update.
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------>Soon (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Soon)
I heard in April about CBT in the first days of June. Was there any? No and without a CBT there wont be any update.
alright then, if you don't think there will be an update then stop posting at all in the suggestion forum.
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Ideas from this subforum can be found on other FOnline servers and thats why i wont stop posting here.
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Ideas from this subforum can be found on other FOnline servers and thats why i wont stop posting here.
well in that case based on what you said you might as well at least stop "awaiting wipe"
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Awaiting wipe is a phase between Soon (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Soon) and Wipe (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Wipe)
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Awaiting wipe is a phase between Soon (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Soon) and Wipe (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Wipe)
but you already seem to know when its coming, "not this year" right?
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Ideas from this subforum can be found on other FOnline servers and thats why i wont stop posting here.
If all you do is crying about inane shit here then we make you stop posting in these boards.
Stop derailing threads like some schoolboy crying for candy for fuck sake.
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Start sharing the info about the update progress.
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Why should we? We owe you nothing. Either you wait for stuff like everyone else or you just leave or don't post such shit like above. It's that easy.
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thanks surf.
so coming back to the last real suggestion posted here... how about those bar fights everyone?
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would be cool if there were drugs at the bar in hinkly, its an area for testing characters after all, and some characters use drugs, would be nice if u could get them from the second vendor that does nothing.
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would be cool if there were drugs at the bar in hinkly, its an area for testing characters after all, and some characters use drugs, would be nice if u could get them from the second vendor that does nothing.
use search option, it was suggested alrdy
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Lets not derail this topic, okay? It's been going quite nicely so far.
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Lets not derail this topic, okay? It's been going quite nicely so far.
yea, there was a time...
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Lets make event in bar where every person in bar takes one shot of vodka irl while his char takes one shot of vodka ingame. I tried it once with my friend on mumble. xD
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Lets make event in bar where every person in bar takes one shot of vodka irl while his char takes one shot of vodka ingame. I tried it once with my friend on mumble. xD
I've been doing that with whisky, it makes it easier to role-play ;)
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I think it would be great to see this happen. Coincidently I just made a throwing character called 'Sober Barfly'. Mabye there could be some kind of darts game that could correlate with throwing skill.
Would love to listen to some jazzy retro music while chatting. Only problem I could think of is that most bars are quite small and bunched up people is a inevitable bomb magnet. Might need some bouncers at the door to brush people down before they enter. ;D
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I also alway thought that bars were rather small, but i also always though there was more space to expand them, especialy in the Hub. But then again, better bars could have armed goons that could (like guards) detect explosives. Why not implement a classic "put your piece down" law in the bars, to of course make them safer and in of make barfights more challenging? Maybe empty bottles could be used as disposable melee weapons, along with shivs (small, handmade, concealable knives) and the inevitable fists, Mr. President.
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I also alway thought that bars were rather small, but i also always though there was more space to expand them, especialy in the Hub. But then again, better bars could have armed goons that could (like guards) detect explosives. Why not implement a classic "put your piece down" law in the bars, to of course make them safer and in of make barfights more challenging? Maybe empty bottles could be used as disposable melee weapons, along with shivs (small, handmade, concealable knives) and the inevitable fists, Mr. President.
I like this idea. Nothing would be more atmospheric then some good ol', light-hearted knife fighting along with some jovial music and chatter. It would also be good if there was a system like casino's in New Vegas where all weapons are left at the doors except for those things that are more concealable. Perhaps this could be the time for the reign of the Needler Pistol? ;D
And please, such pleasantries are not necessary. Call me Dick.
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Yes Mr. Pres... i mean Dick!
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It's waiting for the next update.
Nice! 8)
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I guess this hasn't been implemented yet, any word on when this might become a possibility?
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I guess this hasn't been implemented yet, any word on when this might become a possibility?
The songs are there and the feauture is coded. No idea why no one bothered to take it in.
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The songs are there and the feauture is coded. No idea why no one bothered to take it in.
Still, thats great! i can't wait to throw my first cap into a jukebox!
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If someone has some cool suggestions for more of these songs (we are actually able to do whole playlists now) which happen to be under the creative commons (=meaning we can't take any commercial songs), please send them to me in a PM. I want to make huge library of these songs so it doesnt get boring for the people while we wait for our superiors to implement the feauture. ;)
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I'll definitely hunt for more when I have a bit of time.
Anyone else who has a song in mind or just wants to hunt around for material, you can start your search here http://www.archive.org/index.php (http://www.archive.org/index.php), a large database of media in the public domain with ogg format available for download in most (audio) cases.
happy hunting!
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I just want to add my two cents that looking for songs keep ears open for "western" songs that would give a feeling of a cowboy walking into a saloon in the wild west ;)
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I personally suggest Country ("western") music for the bars in Junktown, Modoc, Redding, Klamath and the Den, and Jazz, Blues, and all those more "urban" kinds of music for the rest, Shady Sands, the Hub, New Reno, etc...
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I personally suggest Country ("western") music for the bars in Junktown, Modoc, Redding, Klamath and the Den, and Jazz, Blues, and all those more "urban" kinds of music for the rest, Shady Sands, the Hub, New Reno, etc...
+1
we can all tag our links for either category to make it easier on Surf.
would it be possible to set up a separate playlist for each bar? it would add a great uniqueness and perhaps even incentive to visit different locations (for players like me anyway).
afterthought: If we can stream now (or soon) would it one day be possible to have an actual waste-wide (or region specific) radio station(s) which we can recieve on our radios? because that would be awesome.