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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => General Game Discussion => Topic started by: Ulrek on April 25, 2011, 02:29:20 am
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Alright, since the community seems rather divided on just what to call who. PK. APK. PvPer... i am making this topic so we can try to sort it out.
-My- understanding of what these terms mean.
1: PKer. (A player who kills everyone he meets and can kill for the single reason that it is fun. or a player that kills a large number of lower level players for fun.)
2: APKer. (A player that seeks to kill the PK's. for whatever reason, but usually for fun, and does not kill people unless given a mature reason.)
3: PvPer. (A player that just seeks to fight, not to openly kill PKers or APKers. normally allowing newbies to live if they don't get in the way, and seeking mainly to have fun, and have some good battles.)
Currently. in this session, there have only been two groups. APK's. and PK's. the PvPers seem to have left since the middle of the session. which is a shame, as now all we have are trolls and a few APK/PvPers.
Also, there has been alot more of a sub group of PKer. one which i will call "Looters".
These players mainly get their money from PKing. and robbing peoples bases. and due to their nature often are unable to function inside a larger faction, and usually betray any they join. these players are probably the most dangerous. since unlike people who just shoot people and cause a little bit of chaos. Looters destroy trust and make it harder to enjoy end game PvP, and social interaction with other players.
So in short,
PKers shoot everyone since they think it's fun.
APKers shoot the PKers since it's fun.
PvPers shoot people who can offer a semi-fair fight.
And looters are noobs and liars.
And to people who read this remember, being a PvPer rather then just a randomer PKer makes the community healthier. and looters/base rapists/trolls make it worse.
-Ulrek-
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Wow, you have this pretty figured out. +1
Now then.... how do we go about solving the issues that stem from these players...?
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how much time did you waste typing all of that up for no one to care btw you need to make sub classes cause im a hybrid
im a looter and a pker YOUR SYSTEM IS FLAWED YOU PHAIL AGAIN ULREK I WIN
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You cant -fix- other people really. trying just gets you on trial for war crimes... ;D
The reason i made this, is so that we can clear up just what a PKer really is. a player who kills other players. not just one here and there. but plays to kill players. a PvPer just kills the ones who can fight back, and a looter is the noob that shoots you over that minigun in a muties vs BoS encounter.
-Ulrek-
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again what was the point in this post cause those people understand what they are if you cant or if someone cant i should say it that way they phail THEY PHAIL ULREK THEY JUST PHAIL I WIN AGAIN UR SYSTEM IS FLAWED HOMELESS GUY STRIKES AGAIN WAHAHAHAHAHA
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how much time did you waste typing all of that up for no one to care btw you need to make sub classes cause im a hybrid
im a looter and a pker YOUR SYSTEM IS FLAWED YOU PHAIL AGAIN ULREK I WIN
again what was the point in this post cause those people understand what they are if you cant or if someone cant i should say it that way they phail THEY PHAIL ULREK THEY JUST PHAIL I WIN AGAIN UR SYSTEM IS FLAWED HOMELESS GUY STRIKES AGAIN WAHAHAHAHAHA
Double trolololol?
-Ulrek-
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its not trolololo... yet but im just proving a point that you wasted ur time on a topic that only people like me (epic trollerz) and my buddy mickel will post on and maybe some other nubs that i killed but ya know thats virtually everyone sept mickel cause of his mercs
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2: APKer. (A player that seeks to kill the PK's. for whatever reason, but usually for fun, and does not kill people unless given a mature reason.)
APK - Player that plays almost like regular PK, but wants to avoid negative reputation floating around regular PK. Plays a role of "hero" which protect some area, like specific mine or city, but usually fails it that ("it was a scout" / "he should holster his weapon" / "that minerals in his hand looks extremely dangerous" and so on). After "hero of the wastes" courtain disappears, they disappears too.
That would be my version :)
But, i can't say that APK always was so good joke like it's now. I remember one group of players which should be called Anti-PK, if this term exist in 2238 that time. That was "Spartans", which tried to stop regular PK job not by bringing death to them, but disassembling stuff needed to kill others. Sadly, after mechanics changes, only what left after them is few pics (http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8629/spartansvsmodoc.jpg). Sniff.
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Well, the system does not account for lying, and yes there are real APKs still. but as long as the person being shot seems to give them APK's a fairly good reason to shoot them, then they are still not being normal PK's.
As for the sciencers. people still do that. but usually it's PK's now. not APK's doing it.
-Ulrek-
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APK - Player that plays almost like regular PK, but wants to avoid negative reputation floating around regular PK. Plays a role of "hero" which protect some area, like specific mine or city, but usually fails it that ("it was a scout" / "he should holster his weapon" / "that minerals in his hand looks extremely dangerous" and so on). After "hero of the wastes" courtain disappears, they disappears too.
Yeah... Prewipe and the wipe before that there seemed to actually be anti-pkers... now we have this ^.
It's sad, and you know why it got this way? Well, they still used to swarm yeah, but at least they kept their standards, but they seriously lowered their standards and started literally recruiting every guy ...and etc. Thus, within their ranks are more and more corrupt members, giving the real anti-pkers a bad name, I would say.
Btw: anyone think about bringing the spartans back???? That sounds freaking awesome faction. I would make a unarmed/melee character just for that.
p.s. Sexpanther, its good to see you back but did you really have to drag me into that mess? Really? ;D
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...but disassembling stuff needed to kill others. Sadly, after mechanics changes, only what left after them is few pics. Sniff.
Just grieving. But I admit what they did was a lot more creative than just bursting someone in NCR, for example.
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PvPer , somebody who plays a game such as this for the sole reason of finding someone /thing to fight.
PKer - A bullshit term, used by many, who just don't have the ability to actually put themselves INSIDE the game world of an RPG (All of you who use this idiotic saying, need to check the definition of the genre).
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Granted words are just words, I think the OP has it pretty on the ball.
PVP: I can respect. Comparable to WoW, those are the hardcore badasses that go to the PVP arenas and earn themselves fame. Just straight 1v1 or 2v2, whatever, and duke it out, no bullshit. They win with skill, not bullshit cheap tactics or mods/whatever. Best thing about them is they are usually too busy fighting legitimate and equal battles and gaining fame and rewards from such battles, to go and waste their time ganking and griefing folks.
PK: These guys are a mixed bag. Some just offer the occasional stupid gankfest. Thankfully, these types usually don't stick around or they eventually get bored and turn into PVPers. Some may de-volve into Griefers.
Griefers: Lowest of the low. These folks can't even get along with PKs since they are usually too im-mature to be trusted. They bring absolutely nothing to the server except for driving people away. In WoW terms, they are usually ninja looters or the same folks who invade a guilds vent chat with a soundboard just to stir up trouble. They get bored easily however and when there are no more people to harass, they tire of the game and hibernate until next era.
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There is one more type, "NCR crybaby" - a person that goes to north only to mine HQ ore - doesn't know what's going on there, doesn't know who is who, what are current events and isn't really interested in any interaction with real people there. "NCR crybaby" just wants to click the rocks. And always gets angry when killed at mine. Usually blames "APK" if the town belongs to them, even if it wasn't them, because:
A) Town belongs to "APK", so it must have been them! Or:
B) The failed to protect me so they are not "APK", they are just wannabe heroes, joke and big fail! BAAAAW!
Then the person goes back to NCR and posts some nonsense on forum how "PK" and "APK" are all the same. Never tries to come back and talk to real people to actually understand what happened. Doesn't matter if it was a criminal or maybe a mistake that could be easily solved if you talk to the right person. It's too difficult task for ore excavators.
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PK and PvP don't have differance, i think.
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Honestly I see difference between PKer and PVPer.
People that are PVPers, hate being called PKers. Although I'm not, I take PK/PVP as a game style, which can be annoiyng, ofcourse.
But you can't flame tham for it. Nevertheless, you play in the wastes for yourself, you can trust only members within your gang.
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there are no such thing as antipkers. If you dont believe me, come with russian name lvl 1 alt. 100% death, even 200%.
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There is one more type, "NCR crybaby" - a person that goes to north only to mine HQ ore - doesn't know what's going on there, doesn't know who is who, what are current events and isn't really interested in any interaction with real people there. "NCR crybaby" just wants to click the rocks. And always gets angry when killed at mine. Usually blames "APK" if the town belongs to them, even if it wasn't them, because:
A) Town belongs to "APK", so it must have been them! Or:
B) The failed to protect me so they are not "APK", they are just wannabe heroes, joke and big fail! BAAAAW!
Then the person goes back to NCR and posts some nonsense on forum how "PK" and "APK" are all the same. Never tries to come back and talk to real people to actually understand what happened. Doesn't matter if it was a criminal or maybe a mistake that could be easily solved if you talk to the right person. It's too difficult task for ore excavators.
there are no such thing as antipkers. If you dont believe me, come with russian name lvl 1 alt. 100% death, even 200%.
When players (especially new) don't see a difference between actions of both groups you mentioned, how they can say when they die by accident and when not. They learned already that there is no point in discussing with gangs who are here for blood and glory only.
I prefer thugs who are not hypocrites and don't pretend to be wasteland saviors.
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there are no such thing as antipkers. If you dont believe me, come with russian name lvl 1 alt. 100% death, even 200%.
You are proven wrong. (http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6715/rusnoob.jpg)
I came to town with 1 level unknown "Russian", entered main and was walking around silently like an average scout would do. Nobody attacked me. They started to talk to me after a moment, and gave me a hammer when I said I need it. I put 7 golden gecko skins in tent near entrance, asking them to not touch it and went mining. Near mine entrace I met some other armed "APK", he didn't attack me either. Weird. When I returned, the gecko pelts were still there, and they even helped me to create a real tent for free. Now your turn Vedaras and Wipe, make some "French" name, go to a town held by Chosen Soldiers and report back the results. ;)
I apology people I "used" for this presentation, but it was necessary. Of course I will give back Drusila the hides :)
It took me-Russian less than 20 minutes to get materials worth a few thousand caps and a tent for free. Not bad for a bunch of hypocrites.
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You are proven wrong. (http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6715/rusnoob.jpg)
Nobody attacked me.
try new reno and see how so called apkers react then. In redding militia does all the job, so people doesnt really give a shit.
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Maybe I should also run at them wildly with minigun in hand to help prove your point?
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It is soo, soo simple.
PKer - kills people mostly for teh lulz
APKer - pretends to be the savior of the downtrodden, the righter of wrongs, the icon of hope for humanity, but he kills people mostly for teh lulz
PvPer - pretends to be the professional killing people mostly for teh lulz
Lawyer - no one can really understand his way of killing people mostly for teh lulz
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Maybe I should also run at them wildly with minigun in hand to help prove your point?
dont pretend stupid. You know that redding is close to safe town in current conditions, so it would be similar if you would entered ncr with russian name and would not be killed...
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dont pretend stupid. You know that redding is close to safe town in current conditions, so it would be similar if you would entered ncr with russian name and would not be killed...
Safe because of who? Santa Claus?
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because of militia, and many people that controls it.
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And who cotrols the militia? Saunta Claus elves? You said there is 200% chance Russian nick will be shot by anti-pks and it wasn't. Not near militia, nor near mines. Who is pretending to be stupid here?
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Wow, now i know whats going on wasteland.
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And who cotrols the militia? Saunta Claus elves?
you should quit the game if you dont understand such things till now.
Militia are like guarded town guards, just they guard lets say under certain rules of those who control it. But it still makes other people not to be a threat to them. If you are bluesuit, but you control a town, and an unknown guy enters with ba and minigun, will you be afraid of him? hell no, he could just feed you with loot nothing else. Same with your dangerous nickname in place where it causes no danger.
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Go to CS town to prove your point. Preferably in BA with avanger, after all you won't be a threat so they won't kill you for sure.
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Go to CS town to prove your point. Preferably in BA with avanger, after all you won't be a threat so they won't kill you for sure.
very good example of antipkers... They will kill you if you have russian name or not, if you have ba or not.
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APK: Player which not killing people just for the lulz
BTW: Vedaras just "dont want" to understand it, its pointless to argue with him
Its so funny Vedaras. Try to remember, did i kill you on sight when you was back in game ? I hated you in past, but what a surprise, i didnt kill you because you had long nick ...
Sometimes i thinking if you really trust to your own words ...
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The difference between pk and apk is that pkers kill without a reason, and apkers kill for a reason (and the reason could just be any reason from long hair dude skin, russian name, suspicion of being enemy, having too many letters in in game name etc.)
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It is soo, soo simple.
PKer - kills people mostly for teh lulz
APKer - pretends to be the savior of the downtrodden, the righter of wrongs, the icon of hope for humanity, but he kills people mostly for teh lulz
PvPer - pretends to be the professional killing people mostly for teh lulz
Lawyer - no one can really understand his way of killing people mostly for teh lulz
If this is true , there's nothing wrong, to search fun in a game is the right thing to do.
you forgot RPer - trying to be plausibile in a fictional role, killing people mostly for teh lulz (some of them love to be killed by people for teh lulz)
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If this is true , there's nothing wrong, to search fun in a game is the right thing to do.
you forgot RPer - trying to be plausibile in a fictional role, killing people mostly for teh lulz (some of them love to be killed by people for teh lulz)
I left RPers out since in FOnline, everyone does have a "role" in away. and the game doesn't really allow for the normal forms of "roleplay" since suicide bombers and trolls are everywhere. but some APKs and even PKs and PvPers act in away not unlike roleplaying a character.
It is soo, soo simple.
PKer - kills people mostly for teh lulz
APKer - pretends to be the savior of the downtrodden, the righter of wrongs, the icon of hope for humanity, but he kills people mostly for teh lulz
PvPer - pretends to be the professional killing people mostly for teh lulz
Lawyer - no one can really understand his way of killing people mostly for teh lulz
Even though this is kind of dumbed down, i think this does fit. APKs do enjoy pwning the PKs. PKs enjoy pwning anything that can move. and PvPers enjoy being or trying to be a skilled fighter. (the thing about the lawyers i won't get in to thought. ^,.,^)
The difference between pk and apk is that pkers kill without a reason, and apkers kill for a reason (and the reason could just be any reason from long hair dude skin, russian name, suspicion of being enemy, having too many letters in in game name etc.)
Again, dumbed down, but not off topic. look at it this way real life cops don't treat gangbangers nicely, so if you give them a reason to not like you, then they'll be sure to give you special "attention" if you do give them a reason.
try new reno and see how so called apkers react then. In redding militia does all the job, so people doesnt really give a shit.
If you walk in to the middle of a battlefield. and walk up to the people defending, who are paranoid about spys. then what do you think they will do? new reno is almost the same as a TC battle, as far as how gangs treat it.
-Ulrek-
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And u guys think we pk just for fun?? What about robbing trying to stay alive?
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There are also :
- Neutral : Search to interract, but not necessary for fight. Would only defend themselves if attacked. Doesn't care about PVP, PK, APK...
- Ghandhies : Try to avoid any fight by been chainkilled and wasting ennemy ammo. Their goal is to convince others to never shoot.
- PVEr : Only here to fight npcs, alone or with friend, and avoid any other encounter.
- Bluesuits/Beginners/noob : Their only goal is to survive long enough (without ragequit) to have their own tent and a leveled character, in order to actually play. If they don't allie with others, they usually quit before level 21.
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Players in game: Kill, just for different reasons. They all suck equally.
Except Kyoo. 8)
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Players in game: Kill, just for different reasons. They all suck equally.
Except Kyoo. 8)
Sad but true i think.
There are also :
- Neutral : Search to interract, but not necessary for fight. Would only defend themselves if attacked. Doesn't care about PVP, PK, APK...
- Ghandhies : Try to avoid any fight by been chainkilled and wasting ennemy ammo. Their goal is to convince others to never shoot.
- PVEr : Only here to fight npcs, alone or with friend, and avoid any other encounter.
- Bluesuits/Beginners/noob : Their only goal is to survive long enough (without ragequit) to have their own tent and a leveled character, in order to actually play. If they don't allie with others, they usually quit before level 21.
If you are neutral. that pretty much lumps you in with APKs. since if you don't want to kill everyone you see. and just defend yourself. you will still fight PKs when you have to, but not random people or APKs.
The ghandies aren't listed since they're not fighters. they are attacked but do not kill people. so the whole "Why they kill?" thing does not apply. since they just get shot for a number of reasons.
Beginners are also the same in away, but usually they are looters. or PKs if they can kill you at all.
And u guys think we pk just for fun?? What about robbing trying to stay alive?
If you kill people for their items. rather then for sport. then you are either a looter/thief or a newbie/noob.
-Ulrek-
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Problem with Vedaras's opinion about antiPKs(those who dont shooting on sight) is that usually he go to town with some friend, attack some guy, of course this guy will defend himself and when he kill one or both, then Vedaras will say that he is dirty PKer, same as others badasses because he killing blues just for lol
This is his way how prove that someone actualy isnt APK
Do you think its stupid ? Sure it is, but try to explain it to Vedaras
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Problem with Vedaras's opinion about antiPKs(those who dont shooting on sight) is that usually he go to town with some friend, attack some guy, of course this guy will defend himself and when he kill one or both, then Vedaras will say that he is dirty PKer, same as others badasses because he killing blues just for lol
This is his way how prove that someone actualy isnt APK
Do you think its stupid ? Sure it is, but try to explain it to Vedaras
remind me, when i or my friends attacked anyone...
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If you kill people for their items. rather then for sport. then you are either a looter/thief or a newbie/noob.
-Ulrek-
This ignorance right here cannot go unpunished... surely.
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In the beginning the PKers, the greatest PvPers of Fonline, created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the land, and the Spirit of PvP was hovering over the wastes.
And the PKers fired their holy Avengers into a crowd of harmless bluesuits and they said, “Let there be lulz,” and there was lulz. Random PKer saw that the lulz was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. Random PKer called the light “PvP” and the darkness he called “Roleplaying” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day of lulz.
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In the beginning the PKers, the greatest PvPers of Fonline, created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the land, and the Spirit of PvP was hovering over the wastes.
And the PKers fired their holy Avengers into a crowd of harmless bluesuits and they said, “Let there be lulz,” and there was lulz. Random PKer saw that the lulz was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. Random PKer called the light “PvP” and the darkness he called “Roleplaying” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day of lulz.
You saw it all... Oh mighty P prophet, sure you can save us of being raped by another P, or let there be no harm between P's, for sake of earth surface.
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This ignorance right here cannot go unpunished... surely.
If you're killing people over stuff, then that means you are either greedy, or have to rob someone else to get any kind of ammo or loot. simple as that.
if you're a "pro" PKer/PvPer you go and shoot people and then take their stuff and use it to make a bigger mountain of bodies. so the stuff is just a bonus to help you pwn more. it's just a step in the plan, not the main goal.
In the beginning the PKers, the greatest PvPers of Fonline, created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the land, and the Spirit of PvP was hovering over the wastes.
And the PKers fired their holy Avengers into a crowd of harmless bluesuits and they said, “Let there be lulz,” and there was lulz. Random PKer saw that the lulz was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. Random PKer called the light “PvP” and the darkness he called “Roleplaying” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day of lulz.
And then they saw the true tools of lulz making and started using the mighty LSW? 8)
-Ulrek-
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What makes a PvPer Different from a PKer?
A PvPer is a player fighting inside a battle with opponents that contribute to set up this battle by willing to fight or providing challenge to the fight.
A PKer is a player fighting with opponents that sometimes do not wish at all to be involved in fighting.
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A PKer is a player fighting with opponents that sometimes do not wish at all to be involved in fighting.
In that case, if a(-ny kind of) faction is trying to take control of a Town during the not so crowded hours, usually referred to as "night time" by Europeans, because they don't want to take chances in a fight, but members of an "APK" faction just happen to be online and try to ruin their operation, would you say the attackers are PKing?
(I am asking without any intention to troll, flame, etc. - It's just that your vision is interesting even if I don't really share it, as I think it has to do with players' behaviour in specific contexts)
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Players in game: Kill, just for different reasons. They all suck equally.
Except Kyoo. 8)
True
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In that case, if a(-ny kind of) faction is trying to take control of a Town during the not so crowded hours, usually referred to as "night time" by Europeans, because they don't want to take chances in a fight, but members of an "APK" faction just happen to be online and try to ruin their operation, would you say the attackers are PKing?
(I am asking without any intention to troll, flame, etc. - It's just that your vision is interesting even if I don't really share it, as I think it has to do with players' behaviour in specific contexts)
Let's put it this way, town control is designed for PVP, so if you're there, and you don't want/expect to deal with being shot at, you're just not smart. A town control fight is the ONLY true pvp in this game, where there is an expectation of a fight, the chance for a challenge, and even a reward for it. Anywhere else it's just kids playing with an ant hill and a magnifying glass.
In truth the difference between a pvp'r and pk'r is just simply semantics. PvP is the Action, where PK is the person 'behind' the action. And yes in the Fallout Universe, it really is a PvP sorta place, but no matter how you make it, the games that work have some rules. Whether forced by programing, smart people realizing that killing everywhere anytime doesn't work, or just dumb luck.
(Look at it this way, do you REALLY think you would have played Fallout 1, 2, Tactics -maybe 3- If all you had to look forward to was getting killed before the first quest even starts, and having to reload?) Really?
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What's the difference between "player versus player" and "player killer"!? Semantics?
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In that case, if a(-ny kind of) faction is trying to take control of a Town during the not so crowded hours, usually referred to as "night time" by Europeans, because they don't want to take chances in a fight, but members of an "APK" faction just happen to be online and try to ruin their operation
An "APK faction" as you call it looks like some faction whose purpose is to fight other players, right? Also if they're in a town with guns and/or the will to guard it, then we can call what is happening a battle. Especially if they "try to ruin their operation". A faction taking control of a town (using TC feature) and killing its opponents can hardly be said to be PKing at the time it does seize control.
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What's the difference between "player versus player" and "player killer"!? Semantics?
Not quite. but a PKer is known for killing players. a PvPer is known for fighting players.
The PvPer gets as many kills on high level and armed players as he can, while the PKer gets as many kills on any players he can find.
So really. if you just want to pwn people. no matter if they have a chance or not, then you're a PK. since you just want to kill people. not fight. just kill.
-Ulrek-
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What's the difference between "player versus player" and "player killer"!? Semantics?
In MMORPG's meaning pvp is when group of players fight agains diffrend group of players in designated places, and pk is when player kill without reason another players(often weaker).
I'm glad, that someone start using "PvP players" term. I think about myself that I'm PvP player. I'm not antiPK, because sometimes i fight with friends in new reno, sometimes i kill blue in TC time. However I don't feel like pk too. Very often i help people by giving stuff, giving advice or transporting from town to town.
I'm PvP player. Most of fun from this game i take from TC. I'm proud of it. :P
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PK -it's a player that shoots me.
PvP -it's me shooting the other player.
APK - it's me shooting the other player if he had good gear or if he fired first.
Troll- suecide bomber/burster, miner killer, gird camper, tent robber.
That's all the theory everything else is dead or dying.
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It is soo, soo simple.
PKer - kills people mostly for teh lulz
APKer - pretends to be the savior of the downtrodden, the righter of wrongs, the icon of hope for humanity, but he kills people mostly for teh lulz
PvPer - pretends to be the professional killing people mostly for teh lulz
Lawyer - no one can really understand his way of killing people mostly for teh lulz
PK -it's a player that shoots me.
PvP -it's me shooting the other player.
These are the only good sense comments that i've read until now. PVP it's called before the fight begins. After the fight is over one of the players is the PK and the other one is at respawn. With your tons of explanations you are just trying to make something complicated from something extremly simple. All FOnliners are pk's, EVERY ONE OF THEM (except Lagmaster and Nick In, i doubt they ever killed anybody).
And the "pkers are filth, they kill all players. we are pvpers, we are better, we don't kill everybody just the guys we don't like" is the lamest excuse ever, keep lying to yourselves.
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An "APK faction" as you call it looks like some faction whose purpose is to fight other players, right? Also if they're in a town with guns and/or the will to guard it, then we can call what is happening a battle. Especially if they "try to ruin their operation". A faction taking control of a town (using TC feature) and killing its opponents can hardly be said to be PKing at the time it does seize control.
no i think that apk are the good of the wastes like bos fitting enclave or supper mutes vs bos
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An "APK faction" as you call it looks like some faction whose purpose is to fight other players, right? Also if they're in a town with guns and/or the will to guard it, then we can call what is happening a battle. Especially if they "try to ruin their operation". A faction taking control of a town (using TC feature) and killing its opponents can hardly be said to be PKing at the time it does seize control.
I think the same as you about that. Just felt curious because you said PKs are those who engage other people that sometimes do not want to get into a battle. A faction trying to take control of cities during "night" is usually not looking for a battle, that's why I felt like asking you about that particular situation.
IMO, I see no point in looking for "differences" between a PvPer and a PK. Both PKs and APKs are PvPers as both titles have to do with how or when they get in PvP, and sometimes about the reasons why they get in PvP.
In TC, imo, nobody is PK or APK. We are all murderin' gangs who want to kill others for a prize. What we do with the town later (protecting it to make it a safe place, developing a RP project, killing anyone on sight, etc) defines if we are PK or APK.
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What is difference with these two.. PvP and PK.
PvP (Player versus Player)
You want to challence someone to fight with you.
PK (Playerkiller)
Just pick random players at encounters and kill them just for fun.
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hehe
PK - somone who is killing other players, because he wants their stuff, their ore, or just for feeling " im so STRONG!".....
APK <= IMO and as im trying to play from beggining- someone who is killing only those who atack first, and those who are known as PKs ( see above) and retards ( hitlers, ...vedarases ;)). But of course i love fighting and fortunately wasteland is full of PKs so there is always someone to kill :). AND i am sure, that i killed somone who was innocent probably because of wrong info from gang mates or just friendly fire, those who were those innocent please accept my apologies.
PvPr - both PKs and APKs, only difference is in targets :)
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hehe
PK - somone who is killing other plyers for no reason, because he wants his stuff, his ore ... or he just dont like his name.
killing other for no reason.... list reasons... wait back up there
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killing other for no reason.... list reasons... wait back up there
He means killing for 'no reason' is a reason.
My opinion, he is wrong. There is always a reason.
"I just wanted to kill someone.", "ur ugly" or even "trololol"
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He means killing for 'no reason' is a reason.
My opinion, he is wrong. There is always a reason.
"I just wanted to kill someone.", "ur ugly" or even "trololol"
Yes, there is always reason. Doesnt matter if this reason is absolutely retarded ... Its just only test right ? ::)
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BEST REASON FOR KILL SOMEONE:
BECAUSE HE IS ALIVE
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Sticky post please.
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2 years 2 years playing as antiPK, dying when protecting mines, dying because not shoting first, dying beacuse leaving enemy scouts alive due to presumption of innocence. And after those 2 years instead of "Thank you" i can hear only: "You are pathetic PK who is pretending he is savior of wasteland." and such ****, even from mouths of GMs, who never met me ingame. ::) ::) ::)
This is the most disheartening feeling of injustice that i have ever experienced.
Doesnt mean im going to stop playing as AntiPK, call it my pathetic RP.
Trols your turn, go ahead, tear me to pieces.
AntiPK™
© 2011 Johnny Nuclear
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If the devs ever want a mature and diverse playerbase then changes will come. Again, the changes coming next era sound interesting and are a step in the right direction.
Someone said this game was lulzy and I couldn't agree more. You cannot have a game with unrestricted PVP and expect folks to act not like complete fucking morons. Human nature dictates that we impose arbitrary rules otherwise everything goes to shit.
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Wasteland is harsh on nonPKs. I personaly rather kill PKs than bluesits cause it is much more fun. But that doesnt mean I leave any bluesuit i stumble upon alive. ;-)
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2 years 2 years playing as antiPK, dying when protecting mines, dying because not shoting first, dying beacuse leaving enemy scouts alive due to presumption of innocence. And after those 2 years instead of "Thank you" i can hear only: "You are pathetic PK who is pretending he is savior of wasteland."
AntiPK™
© 2011 Johnny Nuclear
Mhm... Thank you, man. I wish there were more guys like you out there. Kiss kiss.
If the devs ever want a mature and diverse playerbase then changes will come. Again, the changes coming next era sound interesting and are a step in the right direction.
Someone said this game was lulzy and I couldn't agree more. You cannot have a game with unrestricted PVP and expect folks to act not like complete fucking morons. Human nature dictates that we impose arbitrary rules otherwise everything goes to shit.
Its a game! A GAME! VIDEO GAME! A COMPUTER GAME. Nobody dies here, nobody loses anything, we do it for fun. Stop with the drama.
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Its a game! A GAME! VIDEO GAME! A COMPUTER GAME. Nobody dies here, nobody loses anything, we do it for fun. Stop with the drama.
But people do lose stuff. they lose time. and are verbally abused by assholes when they don't even have a chance to shoot back due to merc traps. or just max levels killing them when they're level 3-4. which is why leaving newbies alone is really what makes a PK from a PvPer. ones goal is to kill. the others goal is to fight.
-Ulrek-
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i am a pvper i am in a pker gang so heres what i think the difference is from pvper and pker
pvper - just wants to fight for the challenge does not care if he dies as long as the fight is good and not complete bullshit like 5 vs 20 will not kill noobs and randoms unless they look like they can put up a good fight
ex. pvper encounters say a russain in metal mk2 and lsw pvper has mk2 and lets say a Advenger he fights this russain battle is a hard pvper wins takes all the guys stuff he won he gets it. next encounter its a lvl 10 bluesuit holding a shotty blue shoots insede of killing said bluesuit he says stop and ends cmbt and gives the newb some pointers and gives that mk2 to that newb. he only fights thoses who can fight not just everyone he can kill like blues and newbs unless he has too. (orders, newb wont stop shooting,etc.
pker- will kill anyone he see's even if the poor guy says hey please dont i just came outta of the cave am a newb i dont even know how to shoot and where to get a gun. <----- pker kills him gets nothing for it and thinks he is bad ass when he just wasted bullets. pkers will kill anyone even poor little blues even after he just killed that blue 2 min ago just to troll and lol.
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But people do lose stuff. they lose time.
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Real pvp universe, not wow hello kitty gay universe. Thou with every change in the game the devs seem to make it more "user friendly", and by that i meant gay, of course.
and are verbally abused by assholes when they don't even have a chance to shoot back due to merc traps.
-Ulrek-
That happends to all of us, get used to it, there will be no changes about it. We, Section 8, even proposed to delete mercs from the game, it spoils the fun of killing. The answer was to delete mutants, wich I have no ideea what changed in the game. Normal mercs or mutants, you are still dead when they spawn or when you enter an encounter that has them.
which is why leaving newbies alone is really what makes a PK from a PvPer. ones goal is to kill. the others goal is to fight.
-Ulrek-
I get it now, the pker wants to kill but not fight. The pvper want to fight but not to kill. It's obvious, all these years of questioning my feelings and all that. Now i know what do i want to be when i'll get older: a train conductor!!!
And why do you sign your posts, dude? This isn't an AA meeting.
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If the devs ever want a mature and diverse playerbase then changes will come. Again, the changes coming next era sound interesting and are a step in the right direction.
Someone said this game was lulzy and I couldn't agree more. You cannot have a game with unrestricted PVP and expect folks to act not like complete fucking morons. Human nature dictates that we impose arbitrary rules otherwise everything goes to shit.
unrestricted pvp is what makes this game fun and unqiue games where there are only 1-2 places that people can fight is boring you never have to worry about dieing and its just boring. but maybe for newbies there should be another server where players can go to learn the basic stuff of the game for a max of 24 hours playtime just to learn how to play. ;D
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And why do you sign your posts, dude? This isn't an AA meeting.
It isn't? AA = Assholes Anonymous? how isn't this an AA meeting?
-Ulrek-
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Example: Ever since WoW intergrated the PVP experience server wide, the difference between PVP and PVE has been reduced to almost nothing. The real badasses all go to either battlegrounds or (for the real hardcore) arenas. PVP servers are now only good for one thing only, the TROLOLO experience.
I know, I know, the poor little trollolos lose their oppurtunity to show their 12 year old side, woe be to them.
Killing is great. In WoW, people die all the time and repop. Difference is, atleast in WoW, there is no substantial loss involved. This encourages people to fight MORE OFTEN, because the only thing to lose is ones pride instead of actual, real life time. Contrary to the belief of some, a great many players have real life jobs and can only dedicate so much amount of time to a game. You make folks lose real time and energy and they WILL leave in droves.
The trololos will make the argument that this mechanic draws in more people. I say who? More trolls? Some say the threat of real loss is "exciting". I don't doubt it. However, how exciting is it to grid camp/ambush someone before they even have a chance to react? Or how exciting is it for some folks to create their own "WoW" style safety measures. You know, like in TC where people have many combat alts. So what if someone loses gear, the next alt is decked out and ready for combat. See the correlation? Its essentially a loophole through FLD for folks who spend massive amounts of time in-game (who also get gear the quickest and cheapest way possible). How exciting is it to the gaming experience to use mutie artillery? How exciting can a game be which relies on the afore-mentioned techniques to get anywhere?
FLD would not be so bad if players had some kind of competent PVP system.
You want to talk about drama/maturity? Right back at ya.
PS: Even the devs have stated (althought their actions seem sometimes, the opposite), Trolling/Griefing is not their intent with this game. The whole "wasteland is harsh", is meant for a better RP/gaming experience. The risk versus reward scenario (in my mind/full loot drop), was to encourage the feeling of the wasteland and more PVP battles (not idiot trololo behavior). Again, there is a difference between a legit and equal battle and people who just have to go on the intenet and unleash their suppressed little kid desires.
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I think the problem with the open PvP in FOnline is that there isn't a forced balance of risk vs. reward. You can destroy someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of killing you.
We've got instakills, we've got knockdowns, we've got the magic ability to see your opponents HP, some players can have 10x the HP of another - yet they're all put on the same playing field. It's like amateur sportsmen versus professionals. It's not going to be fun for anyone because it's just one group shitting on another.
The only meaningful PvP in any game is between two characters or groups that have a chance to defeat one another.
Edit: And like Keldorn, I believe that full loot does encourage a very boring, safe, way of playing. You're scared of losing your gear, so you only start fights you know you can win. Full loot sounds exciting and manly, but it actually means far less PvP fighting takes place because everyone's too big a wimp to risk their super precious gear. Snoooozer.
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Edit: And like Keldorn, I believe that full loot does encourage a very boring, safe, way of playing. You're scared of losing your gear, so you only start fights you know you can win. Full loot sounds exciting and manly, but it actually means far less PvP fighting takes place because everyone's too big a wimp to risk their super precious gear. Snoooozer.
I think this is why people still play Fallout Tactics with their friends once in a while, who cares if you lose stuff, it's just a deathmatch for teh lulz.
And, while this is a little off topic, i think it's alright, since it's less trollish.
-Ulrek-
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deathmatch for teh lulz.
So it's not that much different to FOnline:2238.
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Edit: And like Keldorn, I believe that full loot does encourage a very boring, safe, way of playing. You're scared of losing your gear, so you only start fights you know you can win. Full loot sounds exciting and manly, but it actually means far less PvP fighting takes place because everyone's too big a wimp to risk their super precious gear. Snoooozer.
If you are propper exploiter you can start all the fights and lose many BHs and avangers a day and dont give a shit.
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So it's not that much different to FOnline:2238.
Not really. FOnline:2238 at least tries to have a PvE side. with leveling, and gaining XP, on the outside at least it seems to be more then just a giant deathmatch.
FoT Is -only- a deathmatch game.
-Ulrek-
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PVP'er kills enemy
PK'er kills faultless victims
PVE'er have tent and is victim
And the new APK'er is just PVE'er who's want justice !
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make pve server for carebears (or people that want to try builds/quests) and pvp server for tough guys that don't quit after countless deaths with all items on, still being lvl3, but keep trying.
In fonline PK = killing for profit (all of us does that) or to amuse yourself and masturbate afterwards, PVP = killing to test yourself in a normal fight (TC is a fine example - there are no greenpeace people).
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Oh boy, not this "its a computer game for tough guys!!1" shit again ::)
Edik, you seem to be confused what "tough guy" really means. So let me explain.
This is tough guys. (http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2251/tough.jpg)
This is you. (http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/918/youa.jpg)
MMMKAY?
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Say what you like, me and my faction are confirmed badasses. (https://i.imgur.com/ctetl.jpg)
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Say what you like, me and my faction are confirmed badasses. (https://i.imgur.com/ctetl.jpg)
I say: Oh My World, L O L.
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Oh boy, not this "its a computer game for tough guys!!1" shit again ::)
But don't tell me people leaving after 1st death with the most of their stuff aren't somehow weak.
Oh, by tough I meant persistent in trying to get better and stronger - develop yourself (that's what tough means to me, doesn't matter real life or ingame).
BTW you can be tough Asian you racist :P this is said ironic - check the picture
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But don't tell me people leaving after 1st death with the most of their stuff aren't somehow weak.
Maybe they just play games to have fun.
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That's why my idea (which was mentioned before for sure) to create 2 servers (check few posts above).
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2 empty servers. great. ::)
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2 servers would not fix the problem but merely add to it. Just scroll back up about the Ultima Online comment and Trammel specifically.
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It all depends on the players "alignment" eh?