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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => General Game Discussion => Topic started by: Aaron Tiger on April 18, 2011, 10:04:14 pm
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So some moderator locked my post before I could respond for some reason, so I'm posting it again.
What's the point of having all your hard work deleted? You work for all that for nothing? If players have done everything and are bored, why don't they just make another character?
I'm only level 5 and do NOT want to lose everything anytime soon. As in, like 2-3 months.
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So some moderator locked my post before I could respond for some reason, so I'm posting it again.
What's the point of having all your hard work deleted? You work for all that for nothing? If players have done everything and are bored, why don't they just make another character?
I'm only level 5 and do NOT want to lose everything anytime soon. As in, like 2-3 months.
Everyone feels like that at first, when you realize how easy getting stuff and reaching lvl 21 actually is you'll understand
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So some moderator locked my post before I could respond for some reason, so I'm posting it again.
the people missed your post and just talked about my surviving
do not talk about it again
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Well I hope a wipe doesn't come for at least a month of two.
It won't come "soon", it'll come "later" ;D
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Well I hope a wipe doesn't come for at least a month of two.
It won't come "soon", it'll come "later" ;D
I'm assuming you've never lived through a wipe, it's the best time in the god damn game where everyone is trying their best to get shit and you'll see pk's running around with shitty guns trying to kill you. Losing shit matters and make the game better because of it.
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I'm assuming you've never lived through a wipe, it's the best time in the god damn game where everyone is trying their best to get shit and you'll see pk's running around with shitty guns trying to kill you. Losing shit matters and make the game better because of it.
This is actually the first game I've played that wipes data. I've never felt the need for it, and I still think it's unnecesary. Losing "shit" doesn't matter, it sort of ruins the fun. I don't exactly like not knowing when it's going to happen. It's like waiting for the rapture. It could happen 3 seconds from now. I think it's best to just leave it, and let players keep their hard earned crap. I can handle the loss, but it's easy to lose alot of sensitive players who can't. All the games I've played never had any wipings, and to tell you the truth it was just fine that way, as I have said.
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This is actually the first game I've played that wipes data. I've never felt the need for it, and I still think it's unnecesary. Losing "shit" doesn't matter, it sort of ruins the fun. I don't exactly like not knowing when it's going to happen. It's like waiting for the rapture. It could happen 3 seconds from now. I think it's best to just leave it, and let players keep their hard earned crap. I can handle the loss, but it's easy to lose alot of sensitive players who can't. All the games I've played never had any wipings, and to tell you the truth it was just fine that way, as I have said.
Wipes are not part of the actual game, it is a betatest measure. In order for all features to be used to make sure they are betatested, everything must be wiped clean to give players a reason to do these things, this way they can report whether something is wrong, right, or somewhere inbetween, and if there needs to be changes in order to improve or scrap things.
It's called the Scientific method.
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Wipes are not part of the actual game, it is a betatest measure. In order for all features to be used to make sure they are betatested, everything must be wiped clean to give players a reason to do these things, this way they can report whether something is wrong, right, or somewhere inbetween, and if there needs to be changes in order to improve or scrap things.
It's called the Scientific method.
So once the full game is released, wipes are no more?
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So once the full game is released, wipes are no more?
Which will never happen..... But IF this was the case, I believe so.
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Which will never happen..... But IF this was the case, I believe so.
Of course the full game will be released. If it is never going to be released, why is it called Beta? If there will never be a full game, then this IS the full game, and not the beta, no?
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"They" said that there will be a 1-week warning before the Wipe.
Hopefully there will be all sorts of Endtimes Events, rains of radtoads, etc.
Remember rain?
(And how laggy it was.)
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Remember rain?
(And how laggy it was.)
Nothing lags my computer ;D
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Of course the full game will be released. If it is never going to be released, why is it called Beta? If there will never be a full game, then this IS the full game, and not the beta, no?
I'm saying there is an endless amount of work to be done before the game can be considered a balanced, complete, and working mmo.
And there are too many reasons to bother listing them, but this is not a bad thing since it's in beta, now if they announced it complete at this stage I would be kinda stumped considering there is no background story, no plot, no nothing, right now its "Hey you just survived a sandstorm goodluck ;)".
Basically, I'm saying I don't see the game being done anytime "soon". (5 - 10 years in my case)
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Wipe... Wipe never change..
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Wipes. Will. Always happen (or better!)
The game updates and progression require wipes at times, which is why certain changes are put off until there is enough worthwhile alterations to justify said wipe.
Personally, I wish we wiped on a semi-regular basis, simply to reclear the game and let things start fresh. Early wipes are the best of times, this has been proven repeatedly, yet for some reason routine wipes have never happened. (Glaring hint~)
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Wipes. Will. Always happen (or better!)
The game updates and progression require wipes at times, which is why certain changes are put off until there is enough worthwhile alterations to justify said wipe.
Personally, I wish we wiped on a semi-regular basis, simply to reclear the game and let things start fresh. Early wipes are the best of times, this has been proven repeatedly, yet for some reason routine wipes have never happened. (Glaring hint~)
If the game needs to be wiped out that much, perhaps you are doing something wrong? Maybe a better security system to stop exploiters or something?
A game shouldn't have to start fresh. If it does, something's wrong. I played an MMO for 2 or 3 years (still playing) and the game does not even remotely need a wipe. Wiping that game would also wipe all the players who play it ;)
As I have said, and cannot stress it enough, if there are players who need to "start fresh", they can make a new char. You can also ban players who are causing the game to need a wipe. *koff*gridcamp*koff*
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Nothing lags my computer ;D
You better don't say it when GM is near. Really (http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/7826/screen11032010231045.jpg) :P
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You better don't say it when GM is near. Really (http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/7826/screen11032010231045.jpg) :P
Nothing lags me! I don't lag at all! The GMs can hit the server with anything! I'm unstoppable! Bahaha!
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Nothing lags me! I don't lag at all! The GMs can hit the server with anything! I'm unstoppable! Bahaha!
Is it a challenge?
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Is it a challenge?
Perhaps. As long as it doesn't actually break the server, I can probably handle it alright.
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Perhaps. As long as it doesn't actually break the server, I can probably handle it alright.
Oh right then. If i only knew your ingame nick, i would look for you during wipe night to see how much truth is in your words :)
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"They" said that there will be a 1-week warning before the Wipe.
We said there will be a warning- doesn't have to be a 1 week warning.
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We said there will be a warning- doesn't have to be a 1 week warning.
Yes you did mention that there will be a warning 1 week or less before the wipe. :)
On the topic , for some MMO's wipe is needed or at least a half-wipe(leaves all characters intact , deletes every item possible) , yes full wipe is needed if game is in beta faze.There will be so many changes that it is better to start over , better to observe how changes kick in from plain zero if you understand what i mean , a half-wipe is needed when economy goes wrong.
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Hmm... Lets see, Wipes will rip all info clean from the server as in players, random items and all that stuff.
After the wipe (if we're lucky) They update the game with some new content which i've been hearing hints about from devs. There are going to be updates after the wipe right devs?
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Hmm... Lets see, Wipes will rip all info clean from the server as in players, random items and all that stuff.
After the wipe (if we're lucky) They update the game with some new content which i've been hearing hints about from devs. There are going to be updates after the wipe right devs?
That's work its going to be considering they have been saying in pretty much all the wipe threads that until the major updates are ready we have to wait for wipe.
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"They" said that there will be a 1-week warning before the Wipe.
Hopefully there will be all sorts of Endtimes Events, rains of radtoads, etc.
Remember rain?
(And how laggy it was.)
i miss rain, it was AMAZING
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I've seen TONS of games have MAJOR updates and not need a wipe - the effect the changes had were clear.
It's just plain stupid to have to get rid of everything every single time a huge update happens.
Just think - there are PLENTY of ways to get around having to need wipes. You don't actually need to resort to wiping with every big update. It's called temporarily downing the server and testing it out.
Everyone does it. And it's alot more convenient than destroying all that work.
As wipes get more common, starting over and over again only to have your hard work erased is going to get boring. It's happened quite a few times and it seems like a good idea, but trust me, the novelty will wear off.
There was an accidental wipe in a certain game I played before and more then half of the players quit for good. Wiping should be considered a last resort, something to turn to when all else fails. There are other solutions that are better than this, you just need to try them.
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Dude ... just wipe, so i can start PK again :) and it's tradition to wipe, mosly no one likes it but it's tradition so .. WIPE WILL CUM !!!
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Dude ... just wipe, so i can start PK again :) and it's tradition to wipe, mosly no one likes it but it's tradition so .. WIPE WILL CUM !!!
You can't PK? Of course you can PK.
1. Get weapon
2. Get ammo
3. Find some dude
4. Shoot him!
Voila. You just PKed a player without needing a wipe.
Oh, and who cares if its tradition? If raping little children suddenly became tradition, it still would need to stop.
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You can't PK? Of course you can PK.
Think of it like this.
Wipe comes, everyone is new and blue.
Your groups get together, and buy out all the traders.
They got nothing to fight with.
For a long time, your invincible!
BYE BYE BLUESUITS!!!! shame on you people!
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Aaron just wait for the wipe, then after it talk about how awesome it is, the fact of the matter is that AR that you have will actually mean something early and you'll be depressed if you lose it. It's not like the current game where you have 20+ of every item on the ground and you don't give a flying fuck about losing things. It's fun when someone is pking you with a 10mm pistol and all you have is a regular shotgun to fend them off with.
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Aaron just wait for the wipe, then after it talk about how awesome it is, the fact of the matter is that AR that you have will actually mean something early and you'll be depressed if you lose it. It's not like the current game where you have 20+ of every item on the ground and you don't give a flying fuck about losing things.
I care about losing things.. I just want to experience getting to level 21 before I have to start all over again. It's like knocking down a house of cards before it is finished. You prematurely ended all your hard work and never got to see it at its peak.
And if you want to start over, for the gazillionth time, MAKE A NEW CHARACTER. I don't know how hard it is to figure out.
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The fact if the matter is there WILL be a wipe whether you want it or not, and if you want to hit lvl 21 go have a gun aim for the eyes of molerats. Done.
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Aaron, I think you are missing the point that FOnline isnt' WoW. You don't need 500+ hours to make a powerful char and have some decent stuff. Just few days, it's a question of planning your game time : Gather => Craft => Kill Mobs => Die => Gather... Even in solo it's easy to make a 21 char quickly.
Plus, I can assure you that (HOLY) Pre-Wipe Madness and Post-Wipe start are the better moments in the game, you'll see it by yourself.
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Alright, fine. You win. I will thoroughly enjoy investing my time out of my day into building my character only to be forced to have him erased without any say in it whatsoever.
I can live with that, and get over it. It's still stupid, though.
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Major changes are planned with perks, traits and other things character build related.
A lot of builds won't work as planned anymore after a wipe.
It's fun figuring out a new build with the new requirements.
A wipe (temporarily) brings back balance to the game as far as players and factions are concerned and it brings new challenges.
Personally I don't care much about the pre-wipe madness, although it's the time you see the most devs, GMs and players in towns.
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although it's the time you see the most devs, GMs and players in towns.
its the time after wipe, not before..
but prewipe is cool also in terms of abuse. Dynacords for players and stuff like that in these few days you get what you missed in whole session!
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Alright, fine. You win. I will thoroughly enjoy investing my time out of my day into building my character only to be forced to have him erased without any say in it whatsoever.
Don't even bother. Just wait for the wipe, a new start brings new opportunities - and there will be at least a year until a new wipe occurs, as it seems.
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Aaron Tiger you just missing one important thing. This is still beta and during beta, there are sometimes wipes. If you dont like rules of beta, noone force you to test. Everyone is good with wipe except you ...
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Well, there's not much point doing a big fix to the economic system if its then applied to something already broken.
You don't get a true idea of somethings unless there is a fresh start.
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Last wipe i was totally like Aaron. Really pissed that i would loose all my "hard" work. This time im looking forward to it.
I wonder what they will change in the new version. If you download Fonline SDK you will see that there are really good 3d player models and about 20 different choices to customize your character.
Hope something like that will be included next season. :)
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Dude... THIS IS AN OPEN BETA TEST!!!
You do realize this game isn't final? What is the mean of wipes? Wipes do alot of help in open beta testing.
Wipe ALWAYS introduces ground-breaking updates. If the server doesn't get wiped, all players will still use their old characters, guns and other stuff, this leads to many players make a new character, because their current build is useless and the guns salvaged from pre-wipe update are useless (or changed enough to be useless in your style of play). WIPE IS GOOD!!!
There, I hope that will FINALLY stop those "OMG pl0x NO WIPE, GM ABEWZZ!!! WIPE STUPID I'M A DUMBASS!!!" threads. I didn't even put in that sentence stuff like new quests, that nobody is actually going to try out if they play their old characters. Wipe plays a very big role in beta testing, I see nothing wrong in it.
Thank you...
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Just found out the 3d models i refered to are Van Buren Models. A shame ...
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Just found out the 3d models i refered to are Van Buren Models. A shame ...
And? 2238 is going to get the community made models when they are done anyway :P
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And? 2238 is going to get the community made models when they are done anyway :P
And even better ones i heard. I just thought the 3d models were almost finished cause they are "included" in the SDK. Not that the Van Buren Models look too great but the customization options are pretty decent.
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And even better ones i heard. I just thought the 3d models were almost finished cause they are "included" in the SDK. Not that the Van Buren Models look too great but the customization options are pretty decent.
Check 3D modeling sub-forum. You can get the files needed so you can run the community made models on your server. Please note, not every gun/animation/armor or whatever is done.