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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => General Game Discussion => Topic started by: Solar on March 14, 2011, 09:21:43 pm
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Hello all,
Purely for my own interest and with no officialness to be read into the outcome ....
Would you prefer to be able to choose your own gang names and not select from a pre-determined list?
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also i think you should mention that someone would moderate those gang names so people should not be scared for names like pwnzor n00b wtf or etc
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Who wouldn't? ::)
(besides whoever appallingly voted no O.O)
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Beavers from outer space.
Make a montly name contest where people can submit their own suggestions on the factions list, take 5 each month=great sucess
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Simple: Who dare to create name like "OMG The PowerRangers is HERE" just delete his faction/base =]
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Simple: Who dare to create name like "OMG The PowerRangers is HERE" just delete his faction/base =]
Why do this game have to be so serious ? No really why so serious ? :D
Power rangers sounds like fun )
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And a location description, please. :3
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yes, why not? with some moderating dont see problems with that.
that will be good expecaily for gangs form other servers ;)
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With little moderation, to pretend names like "The Fucking Fuckers Bitch", then of course i wanna create my own name
Btw., VSB will not be a rarely custom name as now, but nevermind :D
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I chose no, because as I said on IRC, better would be buying bases without name. Faction names could be requested/bought later by additional cash.
For example:
"Some friends which don't want to take part in Town Control" now for time to time are fucked up because there isn't any name of base. With this idea they just buy base and nothing else. Now "gang" which want to show their power and take part in Town Control cannot do it because there isn't any name which can be taken. With this suggestion after they buy base they go to "Official Departament of Factions" or something like that and buy name from list. That's all :)
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That isn't the question. That could work both with chosen names and names from a list.
The only question is should names be chosen freely or from a list, nothing else about the gang system.
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My answer is no, should be taken from list, because it would make another big work for moderators/GMs with deleting retarded names like "Look! Boobs here", or even you could later see "Developers are taking error"
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When do you actually see other peoples clan names?
I've only been playing a week and haven't seen anything indicating people are playing inside clans or as groups, the only thing i can think of is town control but then i never visit unguarded towns much, so why would it be a drain on resources for the people deleting names if no one found out about the ridiculous names?.
This game needs a +15 mature rating ^^
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When do you actually see other peoples clan names?
The only thing i can think of is town control but then i never visit unguarded towns much
That's about the only thing. Oh, and militia say "Don't mess with faction name"
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I say no. Then you'd have The Green Hand, TheGreenHand, Th3 Gr33n Hand, etc. etc. etc. It'd obviously be much worse with big gangs. It'd be hard to tell if your gang is really taking a town. Also, how would moderating work? Delete the base somebody just paid 130k for? Or change the name to "Generic Gang 83"?
The name list wouldn't be a problem if you could have more than one base per gang.
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I say no. Then you'd have The Green Hand, TheGreenHand, Th3 Gr33n Hand, etc. etc. etc. It'd obviously be much worse with big gangs. It'd be hard to tell if your gang is really taking a town. Also, how would moderating work? Delete the base somebody just paid 130k for? Or change the name to "Generic Gang 83"?
The name list wouldn't be a problem if you could have more than one base per gang.
holy crap I never thought about it that way..
Can I change my vote? This would indeed happen and would obviously be a major pain.
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I'd say no. I've been in a couple of "gangs" and created some of them. While it was cool to see some name I've chosen from some list or even if I'd be free to type in my own, it'd still not feel like Fallout*. I remember when we started to play at the beginning of the beta and there were lengthy discussions which name we should take. Only names in question were "Fargotraders" and such, as everything else feels out of place. I may be in a minority (you asked from a players perspective, Solar), but I neither want to spend my day deleting "PwNz0rgangXY1398198", "OMGILUVHITLER!11#1787", "It'sfineasitisclub252" or see similar names on the gamescreen.
*Especially when each random wasteland gang can gank whole cities like NCR which is supposed to be approx. tenfold the size. ::)
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With mentals which will take these names, like "pwnzors" and similar its bad yeah. Someone must handle them.
But people from bigger and little bit older gangs will take normal names.
And yeah. If someone will make some stupid name then just erase his base. He should know that if he take stupid name, he will be hardly punished(-130k and etc)
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IMHO pWnz0rz gang name is prety cool. And i would really rofl when i would see Pwnz0rz are taking Klamath. xD Char names can be made and player char names usuallu are not so silly like u are afraid. I belive that mayor gangs would preserve their standard names and maybe personal gangs for one persons alts would have silli names
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I chose no, because as I said on IRC, better would be buying bases without name. Faction names could be requested/bought later by additional cash.
For example:
"Some friends which don't want to take part in Town Control" now for time to time are fucked up because there isn't any name of base. With this idea they just buy base and nothing else. Now "gang" which want to show their power and take part in Town Control cannot do it because there isn't any name which can be taken. With this suggestion after they buy base they go to "Official Departament of Factions" or something like that and buy name from list. That's all :)
This I approve
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Hmm that's good idea i think, but Dev's must improve this system (censure of offensive gang names) and then will be ok.
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This "own faction names" will make the gameplay less Falloutish that it's right now so my voice is one big f*cking no!
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hell no!
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Since this is pretty much connected to bases (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=2819.msg39899#msg39899).
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maybe make prefix + sufix + middleware words (list like about some amount each) or less.
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id vote yes, make them able to type anything, except add a filter to it, so they arent accepted if there is words boobs, fuck, tits, pussy, etc. and if someone breaks it as typing b00bs, they can be banned (all members of base) for some days/weeks, and base deleted. why not? why would someone risk 130k for ban and losing base... it should be clearly told to everyone, i bet there will be just 10 fools to do that...
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id vote yes, make them able to type anything, except add a filter to it, so they arent accepted if there is words boobs, fuck, tits, pussy, etc. and if someone breaks it as typing b00bs, they can be banned (all members of base) for some days/weeks, and base deleted. why not? why would someone risk 130k for ban and losing base... it should be clearly told to everyone, i bet there will be just 10 fools to do that...
And what if someone types his gang name in other language than english? What would you say to "Děvko, pobliju ti kozu!" gangname when you would be the guy to decide whats ok and whats not?
If I would be the head of 2238's development i would go for:
- everyone able to type his own gang name ingame during gang formation (not while you buy hideout, these should be 2 separate actions)
- lore names such as Enclave, BoS, NCR restricted
- gang names would be allowed to consist only of letters of english alphabet (no special signs, numerals, russian or whatever)
- rest described in my old suggestion linked above
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Yes, but when they go to buy that name, should it be chosen by them or from a list.
That is all there is to this question, nothing else about the system.
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Definitely, maybe
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Yes, but when they go to buy that name, should it be chosen by them or from a list.
That is all there is to this question, nothing else about the system.
Well in case of FOnline its debatable since the community is not that large therefore its possible to keep things up and running using premade gang names.
But when it comes to game itself you can see that often gangs don't care what name is on the TC line. They call themselves otherwise anyway and they are referred to as "own gang name" rather than "premade gang name" here on forums too. They only had to take whats left ingame so they could setup a gang.
Therefore I've mentioned other aspects of 2238 that are closely connected to gang names and affect each other.
base = gang -> can end up in 1 gang using 3+ other gang names just to have more bases
more bases = more gang names -> need to create new gang names when all premade are already taken
So far everyone starting an active gang has 2 options. Either choose from premade name and be recognized as such or simply ignore premade names and call themselves as they see fit and with enough propaganda, community will memorize and call them by their own name, not by the premade one. And so far my experience is that those who participate in wasteland politics choose to ignore premade names. And I must say there have been no attempts to go down in history with gang name like "Pwned ya n00b" as far as I can remember. Also there is another sort of people who don't give a f*** and for those gang name is just another requirement to get place for few people to safely store stuff and play a bit together.
So for big gangs or people who want to be seen its a great opportunity to create their own identity ingame. And for everyone else, well... that name won't be seen by a mans eye until next wipe, when some dev might decide to read them in database, so where is the harm in this?
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It would be perfect to let us choose our own faction name, and If it doesn't satisfies what moderators/devs. expect, remove it or something as said before.
And there should be some rules the devs. would give to us warning about possible situations, so there is less players doing the process the wrong way. But that is something they will decide and will advice later depending on If they implement this or not.
So, I say YES. To at least give at try, meanwhile we are still in beta.
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I still don't get why everyone is worried about dumb* names..
People already put dumb* names on chars and say dumb* stuff in game
*Actually... who the fuck are YOU to judge what's dumb?
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I still don't get why everyone is worried about dumb* names..
People already put dumb* names on chars and say dumb* stuff in game
*Actually... who the fuck are YOU to judge what's dumb?
The possibility of a dumb faction name has been called not fallout-related, another names would be not dumb, but rude as someone do a post about it, things of "common sense", and not from a personal opinion.
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The possibility of a dumb faction name has been called not fallout-related, another names would be not dumb, but rude as someone do a post about it, things of "common sense", and not from a personal opinion.
Well, better give everyone burst bozars and PA so it's "fallout-related"
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Duplicate names? Already once talked on IRC about people already being able to make GM names like:
Lzual
IzuaI
LzuaI
No, no, no, no!
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Duplicate names? Already once talked on IRC about people already being able to make GM names like:
Lzual
IzuaI
LzuaI
No, no, no, no!
Change the font / Ban on duplicate names.
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But
Change the font / Ban on duplicate names.
But this wont work cause every one will make spamming names , it wont stop him from making names , like : "You" are taking Broken Hills...
I am against this!
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No no no. If I could, I'd make even nicks moderated.
Tired even of foolish nicks.
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well i see it simple, make a rules for creating a faction name. Someone doesnt follow them, delete whole base. Easy and simple and no space for abuse.
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Und Russian names fraction will be?
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Und Russian names fraction will be?
I think no , this isnt Requiem or TLA...
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You'r developer?
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And? Russians will still be here. Some Russians are nice, you really have to give them a chance. And that's another reason why I don't want custom names. Some people will dislike it (or will make a rude name of the faction in his own language) and will end up in more mess than now.
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If there are any changes, there should at least be a list in-game to chose from. Having to go to a website outside of the game to do something that is in-game isn't a very good feature, imo.
For this discussion, I would like to say "yes" because I would like to think people aren't 12-years-old and wouldn't choose those idiotic names that have already been posted, but I would vote "no" because people probably will...
Also: If a faction could own multiple bases it would probably make the list last four or more times as long.
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i thing tahat is good idea, but need modearate faction names
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If there are any changes, there should at least be a list in-game to chose from. Having to go to a website outside of the game to do something that is in-game isn't a very good feature, imo.
Additionally to that, is there any way of putting in a series of 3 or 4 drop down lists of words for name selection (Like the word lists in the "Fallout-o-matic name generator")? If you increased the dictionaries a little and allow people to request additional words through the forums, then there's a huge amount of possible combinations there - and you'd only have to moderate what was allowed into the dictionary in the first place.
Sure, you can make some pretty silly combinations if you want, but only as silly as "The Imperial Snake Shaggers", rather than "bLueSuItKILLAZLoL!11111b00bs".
I'd imagine the problem would be implementing that sort of menu system into the interface, as other than the "Van Buren style" character creation page in the SDK (menus for hair, skin, build etc), there doesn't appear to be any similar in-game system.
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*Actually... who the fuck are YOU to judge what's dumb?
Devs' game, their rules. If they feel that some name is inappropriate, it is their right (and duty) to do whatever they want. Who the fuck are YOU to question devs ? 8)
Und Russian names fraction will be?
FFS, I hope not, having cyrilic names is more than enough. European server with worldwide audience, why should certain people have privileges, while others have not. ???
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Who the fuck are YOU to question devs ?
And with that mentality we have companies like EA. :-)
Ever wonder why Valve does so good? They have listened to thier community for a long, long time.
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Devs' game, their rules. If they feel that some name is inappropriate, it is their right (and duty) to do whatever they want. Who the fuck are YOU to question devs ? 8)
FFS, I hope not, having cyrilic names is more than enough. European server with worldwide audience, why should certain people have privileges, while others have not. ???
WTF, why any nation EXCEPT Russians may have base name in native language and Russians may not???
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European server with worldwide audience, why should certain people have privileges, while others have not. ???
exactly. UTF-8 or fuck.
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WTF, why any nation EXCEPT Russians may have base name in native language and Russians may not???
Chineses can't. Greek can't. Korean can't. Japanese can't. Arabs can't. I probably forgot many. Russian nicks are already annoying to deal with, sadly we can't remove them due to engine issues. But factions names would be as bad.
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Chineses can't. Greek can't. Korean can't. Japanese can't. Arabs can't. I probably forgot many. Russian nicks are already annoying to deal with, sadly we can't remove them due to engine issues. But factions names would be as bad.
Omg, I forgot... Those huge chinese , greek , korean japanese arabic gangs. Have you seen 1 at least?
Fonline is russian game, get used to it.
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Omg, I forgot... Those huge chinese , greek , korean japanese arabic gangs. Have you seen 1 at least?
Fonline is russian game, get used to it.
--> http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?board=28.0
Yes, there are chinese gang. And 2238 is an english speaking international server, developped by people from many countries, with official forums, wiki, and language in english.
2238 is an english game. Get used to it.
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dont forget that none of devs said that there wont be no russian names...
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If it would happen, I am pretty sure that cyrillic would not be supported. This is not because we don't like russians, but because nobody from us can read it.
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ok you can argue now :D
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I understand what Doctor Eex means. We got gang names like Vault Šílené Brahmíny or Pura Familia Loca, which are not in English. It would be unfair if non-English faction names (except Russian) were allowed just because they use the latin alphabet, while Russian faction names were not allowed because of Cyrillic alphabet.
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I vote yes. Would be fun to be able to physically costumize our bases too.
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So, when can I create "Gay Niggers From Space"?
Perhaps gang names should be punk band names.
Or names of PA films.
Pamedia, for many good things! (http://www.pamedia.com/phpNuke/modules.php?name=Bibliography)
Need to authorize it and select from dropdown list.
Kind of annoying design these days.
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Perhaps gang names should be punk band names.
lol no
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btw, is there an ability to rename own gang?
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If it would happen, I am pretty sure that cyrillic would not be supported. This is not because we don't like russians, but because nobody from us can read it.
GM can help with this. If it matters, and if somebody cares.
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Wire, thanks.
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GM can help with this. If it matters, and if somebody cares.
Only if GMs who can read cyrillic are online and available.
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russian char names (in offensive language) is reallty annoying(if u know russian lng), and i meet about 10 or more people in few first weeks (with *bad* names). sorry but names like:
пидарас, ща вьебу, гомосек, and etc... its really annoying if u know russian. same can be with faction names.
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So, when can I create "Gay Niggers From Space"?
I am seconding this question.
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russian char names (in offensive language) is reallty annoying(if u know russian lng), and i meet about 10 or more people in few first weeks (with *bad* names). sorry but names like:
пидарас, ща вьебу, гомосек, and etc... its really annoying if u know russian. same can be with faction names.
Same here. It's extremely annoying! What if I start creating chars with names like "tu esi daunis", which translates into something like "you are a dumbass"... This is too much - disable cyrillic totally for char and faction names. Allow cyrrilic chat only!
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I'am totally disagreed with disabling cyrillic for char names, cuz there much more adequate names than not, IMO.
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I'am totally disagreed with disabling cyrillic for char names, cuz there much more adequate names than not, IMO.
Yea, let's add Chinese font and char names also, and Japanese, Korean, Greek, Arab, etc...
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Yea, let's add Chinese font and char names also, and Japanese, Korean, Greek, Arab, etc...
This can be done. FOnline would need to use UTF-8 and a font using the full capabilities of this character encoding standard. This means that FOnline could handle 65536 unique characters. Given that we can have Cyrillic characters and Latin diactric signs in FOnline, it already means that we're not using ANSI (and most likely Unicode). Green light for moonspeak.
Another issue is font size. I for one can tell from experience that Chinese hanzi is unreadable in size 8. Plus all letters on FOnline are a bit thick and have borders.
But is it worth it? And is there enough demand for this feature to make it a must-have?
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I like the Cyrillic names, and I wouldn't mind Chinese.
It makes the game lulzier.
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I like the Cyrillic names, and I wouldn't mind Chinese.
For me, players with those names are NPCs.
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For me, players with those names are NPCs.
Extremely dangerous ones.
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Extremely dangerous ones.
Not really with the appropriate team, and these are the better NPCs to farm ;p Best reward!
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This can be done. FOnline would need to use UTF-8 and a font using the full capabilities of this character encoding standard. This means that FOnline could handle 65536 unique characters. Given that we can have Cyrillic characters and Latin diactric signs in FOnline, it already means that we're not using ANSI (and most likely Unicode). Green light for moonspeak.
Another issue is font size. I for one can tell from experience that Chinese hanzi is unreadable in size 8. Plus all letters on FOnline are a bit thick and have borders.
But is it worth it? And is there enough demand for this feature to make it a must-have?
You didn't see how making font for FOnline looks like :P
http://www.angelcode.com/products/bmfont/
Good fun...
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You don't need a GM to rename your gang, just pretend with your imagination that you're the l33t sup@ cAP aC0P kk1LaZ.
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To be honest this would be great, I always disliked the idea of having to choose a name for my faction from a list, it's kinda stupid and demotivating... We would just need some clear rules about names, like for example no numbers into it (to avoid name copying like leetzorz->l33tz0rz->leetz0rz and so on), no symbols, no offensive names and so on... all things that can be easily done with a bit of programming.
The only problem left could be stupid names, but we could set up a procedure to validate the names, like you submit your name choiche, the faction is created but cant make any TC until a GM approved the name. Or again we could make a list on the forum with chosen faction names, which gms can approve from time to time.
This could be probably be annoying for gms, but i honestly don't know how many gangs will born every day.. in worst cases you could have to wait 2-3 days before your name gets approved, but still it wouldn't be such a great pain like choosing a really stupid name just because it is the less ugly, or the only one available.
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I think two options would be best, To select one existing and to make an own. When making an own, you would need to wait for GM acceptance (for obvious reasons, i would even be a bit harsh and would limit the names to RP kind of names, Only one or two GM can be choosed for this through an open minded one, a good solution would be that if one GM doesint agree with the name then he passes it to another GM, if the second agrees the name still makes it in).
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omg after wipe i will create Sir Hubertus Gang Bang Cumshot Terror Squad . YEAH
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omg after wipe i will create Sir Hubertus Gang Bang Cumshot Terror Squad . YEAH
This is why we can't have nice things.
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This is why we can't have nice things.
Said JacksSmirkingRevenge ;D
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I say YES.
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no i think we will see names like "come lick my dick surf" and "lemarcs a apking fag" i am looking at you CS
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When making an own, you would need to wait for GM acceptance (for obvious reasons, i would even be a bit harsh and would limit the names to RP kind of names, Only one or two GM can be choosed for this through an open minded one, a good solution would be that if one GM doesint agree with the name then he passes it to another GM, if the second agrees the name still makes it in).
This could solve it out
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Choose your own gang name. If Gang name is found offensive by GMs they delete the base as punishment and jail the chars of that faction for 1-2 days. Simple solution. Nobody has enough caps and nerves to keep up this kind of trolling forever.
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It's not only about stupid names, names should be approved anyway to preserve a "falloutish" experience. I really wouldnt like to see RL names or even worse having my faction deleted because a gm doesnt think that the name i chose is fine enough..
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If you want to preserve "falloutish", then, player names like "Sex Boy", "Kurwa", etc, should be forbidden.
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Well since is not a full rpg server you can't expect everyone using serious names. But do you really want to see Power Rangers are taking Modoc? ::) :P
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If i see some player with name Ranger Yellow.... yeah maybe. =3
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no i think we will see names like "come lick my dick surf" and "lemarcs a apking fag" i am looking at you CS
Troll more...
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Well since is not a full rpg server you can't expect everyone using serious names. But do you really want to see Power Rangers are taking Modoc? ::) :P
Look at the poll. Looks like we really want it.
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I think better solution will be just add more base for one name