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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => Closed suggestions => Topic started by: theyseemetrollin on October 14, 2010, 09:41:41 pm
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It currently has a lower max damage than the grease gun and is useless in pvp vs CA. 50 damage isn't enough per burst for end game weapons that have low range. it should be 18-30 not 13-19.
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It currently has a lower max damage than the grease gun and is useless in pvp vs CA. 50 damage isn't enough per burst for end game weapons that have low range. it should be 18-30 not 13-19.
/facepalm
Youre wrong, P90 is decent weapon now
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Did you use AP or JHP ammo to test it?
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Hinkley time~!
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Did you use AP or JHP ammo to test it?
ap in hinkley with brdx2 gets me 50 damage against CA which is pretty pathetic. Also it should have higher damage as tier 3 than a tier 2 gun.
/facepalm
Youre wrong, P90 is decent weapon now
You honestly think that 50 damage is decent? That's 1/4 to 1/5th of the targets hp. Even if you get off 2 shots it still sucks and you will die from plasma/rl.
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ap in hinkley with brdx2 gets me 50 damage against CA which is pretty pathetic. Also it should have higher damage as tier 3 than a tier 2 gun.
You honestly think that 50 damage is decent? That's 1/4 to 1/5th of the targets hp. Even if you get off 2 shots it still sucks and you will die from plasma/rl.
how much hex he was from you? somebody without critic hit me today for 1xx from one hex so...
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how much hex he was from you? somebody without critic hit me today for 1xx from one hex so...
All burst weapons do 3 times the damage at 1 hex than they do at any 2 hexes because the bullets divide into 3 parallel paths. In rt its just not realistic that you can get 1 hex away for the same reasons melee doesn't work,they'd have to stand still for the duration of you running up to them and the burst animation to play. They pretty much have to be afk to pull this off..
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At a 4 AP Burst, which compares to an Avenger or LSW's 6 AP.
p90c damage comes to ~50, LSW comes to ~75 and Avenger comes to ~90.
Adjust for AP and you see p90c is approx = LSW and the Avenger is +20% or so, but the Avenger is at least +20% compared to anything, despite what some (incorrect) people will tell you.
TL:DR - p90c is fine.
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just make every weapon instant kill at all range and the my fav weapon needs a boost whiners will disappear . this game is 95% about killing so why not to speed up the process =)
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so endgame sg is supposed to be that weak? Everything else got a buff. Hell even with 2 shots that's half 1 persons hp or less in 5 seconds, that shit doesn't fly in rt. Guess I'll have to reroll an avenger build.
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If by "so weak" you mean pretty much second only to the Avenger, then yes. Avenger will always be the top DPS weapon, so if thats all that concearns you ... use the Avenger.
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I mean weak in that in the first ap round I do max 100 damage then get killed, where avenger I can do 200 because you're lucky to get off one shot before getting raped by plasma aim bots. Also the smg has a slow animation and I find myself clicking first and still getting killed without firing, probably a lag issue though.
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Well, presume 12 AP and p90c does ~150, Avenger does ~180
180/150 = 1.2
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In TB maybe that would be the case, but since this is an rt build im not going for 12 ap. Rt is pretty much a case of whoever does the most damage in the least amount of shots wins.
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OK then, presume 10 AP. p90c shoots twice, Avenger shoots once - 100 vs 90 and p90c does better damage. :-\
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OK then, presume 10 AP. p90c shoots twice, Avenger shoots once - 100 vs 90 and p90c does better damage. :-\
Your not thinking about how RT combat works.
10 AP on both sides.
avenger vs p90
2 bursts from p90 = 100 -8 ap, 2 ap left, bursts again for 50 = 150. -4 ap. so that uses up 12 aps. THEN you have to reload.
1 bust from avenger for 90, waits for 2 aps regen, burst again for 90, thts -180 hp already, and it doesn't have to reload to get another shot off, just waits for anther 6 ap, while p90, reloads, then waits for ap to start rechargng again to 4 ap, which s 1.6 seconds presumabely, Avenger will always win in this case. P90 has no real advantage over anyone except the builds never used in RT pvp such as Melee or unarmed.
If Fast Shot worked for bursts on aimable guns smallguns would be worth their salt.
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You can consider over 12 AP or less. I don't care. Most Avenger is getting is 20%. Anything over this is getting far too abstract to compare directly.
Of course an Avenger would win in a 1v1 burst contest where you are just standing trading damage. Its meant to.
p90c is a different weapon, its cheaper, its one handed, its capable of aiming ... to suggest that because something doesn't have the same burst as an Avenger its got bad damage is just wrong.
If Fast Shot worked for bursts on aimable guns smallguns would be worth their salt.
If fast shot worked on bursts then the entire rebalancing would have been done differently to leave the relative strenghts exactly as they are now.
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P90 is good as it is and people that want to make an avenger out of it are funny. Pointless thread.
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i agree p90 is good as it is, maby animation speed is to slow for the burst
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people u cannot do anything Solar knows better, unless some people who play with gms come and start suggesting something:
TC too long devs changed it
militia too strong devs changed it
big guns too strong, they nerfed it
too much caps from TC, devs changed it
they wanted militia to be removed from cities, devs did it ( didnt change anything since people fight in hinkley )
it took them 4 weeks to do something about doing NONE - when someone was using militia to kill a sheriff
after someone did it with tttla's city gm came and gave all sheriffs 3k hp 5 hours later
only they knew when the wipe was coming b/c one of their gms told them
so all u do here is pointless
thank you
btw people dont want to nerf avenger they say that p90 is useless weapon, u only have 2 burst that are not enough to kill anything, its range makes this weapon usless if u go againt other bg u cannot win at point blank
and the weapon itself is expensive cannot be looted from any encounter, p90 supposed to be boosted
the only good thing i noticed is the ST required, u can have a bit better build if u put these 2 ST in AG and remove small frame
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calm down killy it's only a game, your rage in every thread is funny
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people u cannot do anything Solar knows better, unless some people who play with gms come and start suggesting something:
TC too long devs changed it
militia too strong devs changed it
big guns too strong, they nerfed it
too much caps from TC, devs changed it
it took them 4 weeks to do something about doing NONE - when someone was using militia to kill a sheriff
after someone did it with tttla's city gm came and gave all sheriffs 3k hp 5 hours later
only they knew when the wipe was coming b/c one of their gms told them
so all u do here is pointless
thank you
btw people dont want to nerf avenger they say that p90 is useless weapon, u only have 2 burst that are not enough to kill anything, its range makes this weapon usless if u go againt other bg u cannot win at point blank
and the weapon itself is expensive cannot be looted from any encounter, p90 supposed to be boosted
the only good thing i noticed is the ST required, u can have a bit better build if u put these 2 ST in AG
Yesterday was sabotaging Hinkley so everyone had to stand round for ages doing nothing, today its moaning pointlessly about Devs? I'm really looking forward to what you pull out of the bag tomorrow.
Lets hope its something else that wastes our time so it takes even longer for other features to get finished!
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i was testing the arena its my job isnt ?
i noticed u changed something and wanted to test it again, then my acc was jailed
big deal
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A rather specialist way of "testing" something you have. In any event, I'm totally uninterested in arguing it with you, we both know the truth.
p90c is fine. Don't like it? Don't use it.
Thread over.