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Robots!!!
kraskish:
--- Quote from: Michaelh139 on October 10, 2010, 11:31:06 PM ---Everybody except Devs want robots.
Guess who wins?
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Devs ::)
--- Quote from: Keldorn on October 11, 2010, 01:02:59 AM ---
In F1 the only people with advanced technology were the BoS and the Master. Thats it. You didn't have regular run of the mill thugs with shit like rocket launchers, plasma rifles and laser rifles or gatling lasers.
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Lol wut. Have you ever played "Fallout 1" full retail game?
There were rocket launchers, turbo plasma rifles, gatling laser, super sledge and power armors. As a matter of fact, in case you read fallout bible... PA's AND BRAINBOTS were used in USA vs China war, why shouldnt they be present at 2161 or 2238 or 3333 if they were kept in armories? You think its the 79 years were a wastelands golden age that lead to robots and APA? well maybe APA but other than that it all remained from the Great War
--- Quote from: Keldorn on October 11, 2010, 01:02:59 AM --- Were there working cars in Fallout?? Oh yeah, NO.
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The thing that there were no car you could go around wasteland and there was in F2 doesnt mean anything improved. There were millions of cars in US before the war. There was junktown made of car fence. I dont think it was just the engines that vaporated :P
--- Quote from: Keldorn on October 11, 2010, 01:02:59 AM ---Every other faction had to make do with basic weaponry. Thats why i liked it so much. Kind of an hoamge to the Planet Of The Apes movie. The one where human bunker survivors were the only one with tech.
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Except dominant Masters Army? Well, youre right, but if you encountered them you could get sliced with their plasma or miniguns. Vaults also had technology but just few of them were completed. Anyway you were looking for water chip not a rain dancer or whatever. Fallout was not completely tribal as you say, never.
--- Quote from: Keldorn on October 11, 2010, 01:02:59 AM ---The whole idea of nation states didn't exist in Fallout. In Fallout 2 all of a sudden you have the huge NCR beast capable of outfittin an entire army. They were even able to stand toe to toe with the BoS (although with severe casualties).
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Well, there was some mutant nation, most developed one. Also Shady Sands, Necropolis and Cathedral were quite a communities. Yep, no nation, does it exist in Fallout 2? Not really
Keldorn:
1st section
What are you ranting about?? Do I have to repeat myself again? I never said I had a problem with any of those things. Advanced weapons and Powered Armor iepresents lost technology which is fine. Double so since Fallout was meant to be a harsh wasteland where weapons and armor ruled the day. I guess I will elaborate further. I do not have a problem with advanced weapons and armor as long as they are in the hands of thosewho would logically have them. What I do have a problem is with working trains, helicopters, cars (specifically car or cars that are just given to people for money). I have a problem with the idea of nation-states rising. I have a problem with run of the mill thugs with electricity and energy weapons. I have problems with Fatmans and B.O.M.B 1, when the whole point of Fallout was to show the folly of nuclear weapons. Again these, unlike limited weapons and working power armor, are signs of civilzed and advanced nations.
2nd Section
There may have been FEW salvageable cars. Even then they would be in the hands of those who had the knowledge of repairing them. Its not like in 2238 where any chucklehead could just produce advanced tech in their ramshackle base jeez. I highly doubt the chosen one would conveniently find a fuel cell controller and some hick mechanic just magically has a working car without a motor (er whatever the hall ya wanna call it).
3rd Section
Again I must repeat myself. I NEVER SAID THE WASTELAND SHOULD BE DEVOID OF TECHNOLOGY. I did say that only specific folks should have access to it. Those specific folks include super mutants and vault/bunker survivors. Nobody else would be trusted with it.
4rth Section
As you said there were communities/cities yes
BUT.........
What do you think the New California Republic is?? By the end of Fallout it had claimed multiple citiies (the entire southern region of California if I remember correctly). Its multiple cities and many different peoples rallying under one cause, one national identity.
kraskish:
--- Quote from: Keldorn on October 12, 2010, 01:18:26 PM ---1st section
What are you ranting about?? Do I have to repeat myself again? I never said I had a problem with any of those things. Advanced weapons and Powered Armor iepresents lost technology which is fine. Double so since Fallout was meant to be a harsh wasteland where weapons and armor ruled the day. I guess I will elaborate further. I do not have a problem with advanced weapons and armor as long as they are in the hands of thosewho would logically have them. What I do have a problem is with working trains, helicopters, cars (specifically car or cars that are just given to people for money). I have a problem with the idea of nation-states rising. I have a problem with run of the mill thugs with electricity and energy weapons. I have problems with Fatmans and B.O.M.B 1, when the whole point of Fallout was to show the folly of nuclear weapons. Again these, unlike limited weapons and working power armor, are signs of civilzed and advanced nations.
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So robots could represent it as well :) Finally we got a common point. Brainbots fought in the Great War, there were lots of them. Also masters army in fallout 1 were logical wastelanders?
--- Quote from: Keldorn on October 12, 2010, 01:18:26 PM ---2nd Section
There may have been FEW salvageable cars. Even then they would be in the hands of those who had the knowledge of repairing them. Its not like in 2238 where any chucklehead could just produce advanced tech in their ramshackle base jeez. I highly doubt the chosen one would conveniently find a fuel cell controller and some hick mechanic just magically has a working car without a motor (er whatever the hall ya wanna call it).
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Out of millions of cars before Great War, far more common than PA and brainbots or any other type of a weapon, there wouldnt be any left? In F2 there was mechanic in Den, but you also had to take a part from Klamaths car and buy fuel cell controller in Gecko, but still it just proves the engines and parts are all over the place. Reno, Junktown, Gecko? have cars on the streets.
--- Quote from: Keldorn on October 12, 2010, 01:18:26 PM ---3rd Section
Again I must repeat myself. I NEVER SAID THE WASTELAND SHOULD BE DEVOID OF TECHNOLOGY. I did say that only specific folks should have access to it. Those specific folks include super mutants and vault/bunker survivors. Nobody else would be trusted with it.
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We are specific folks 8)
--- Quote from: Keldorn on October 12, 2010, 01:18:26 PM ---4rth Section
As you said there were communities/cities yes
BUT.........
What do you think the New California Republic is?? By the end of Fallout it had claimed multiple citiies (the entire southern region of California if I remember correctly). Its multiple cities and many different peoples rallying under one cause, one national identity.
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Yes, they had a president, there were rangers, some army, but there were also slavers which were hated by people in the same city. We had bazaar and inside city, lots of divisions. Yeah call it some city-state. So I proved my point
--- Quote from: Keldorn on October 12, 2010, 01:18:26 PM ---I don't mind robot followers but in regards to the devs I understand. Robots is more than just a manual. You need knowledge about ceramics and other composite material. You need to understand what the stress endurance of alloys. You need knowledge about robotics and AI. Things that takes years of research and equipment and tests. You need the faciilities and resources that allow for those tests.
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All in all you need science, some robo parts and a machine, like it was possible in F2. You probably didnt like that part :p Maybe you dont need so much knowledge, the robots are still in Sierra Army Depot and other armories forgotten by the world after the conflict. In F1 you had robots, you had to turn on the generator. In F2 they were in SAD. How much more locations would you need to officially make them obtainable in the wasteland?
--- Quote from: Keldorn on October 12, 2010, 01:18:26 PM ---Imagine asking the devs for the ability for players to make verti-birds.
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No its not the same, vertibirds would spoil the climate where a charming companion like you could have in F2 (2xrobodog + brainbot) where just different... also it would use some of the game content. As for me, the robots obtainable should have unique qualities like normal resistance and only unarmed robots should be available.
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borse:
I honestly see where kraskish is coming from. He raises many good points and so does keldorn.
I honestly think that given the current status of the game, it would make sense to add some of these things... Enough talk about Cars. They are in the game and it MAKES SENSE that they are. That's great if you have an opinion, Keldorn, but it doesn't make it fact. I would have to say the same thing to myself but there is one difference, I side with the Devs on this one. Cars fucking rule.
Keldorn:
We would not be entitled to lost technology unless we decided to either join BoS, enclave, or raided lost bunkers like SAD or Mariposa. Thing is those things are not easy and shouldn't be easy to do.
Again with the robots I don't have a problem with. Especially as long as they cannot be made but repaired while inside places like SAD or Mariposa or The Glow.
Millions of cars troughout the nation? yes. Inside one state of California? No, especially not working ones. The places with the most cars also happened to be the places where nukes fell. Ever heard of EMPs? That was in the normal Fallout games. Nuclear weapons generate a strong EMP that would destroy everything electronic within range, cars includied. Especially so since the resource wars forced folks to depend on fusion and energy technology. Something that would require complex electronic parts to regulate.
Cars may be fun and all but its something I personally against. They could have easily implented another type of fast travel like Fallout 1 originally had like travelling with caravans for example. Or if there were to be cars in the game, one shouldn't just randomly find a part and pay some money and get a car. They should be in a faction that is technologically advanced with the know how to repair or modify sophisticated electronics like the BoS. And only for a specific mision not just ownership.
The nation state existed and clearly as I said I didn't like the idea. Iis it realistic? Possibly. But does it add to the forlorn wasteland feeling where technology is rare, precious and worshipped as a god by some folks? No.
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